37" 1920x1080 LCD $1200

[d94]

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6998/6998378_ra.jpg
Westinghouse 37" LCD 1080p
retail is $1900
the Best Buy's in Texas, and TEXAS only have it for $1200
here's the proof that this is real, as this is un-advertised:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9219/receipt6pe.jpg

deal good through friday i think

BB link - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6998378&type=product&id=1110265591243

[Tiny]

Holy crap you have high sales tax. :eek:

How does it look playing HDTV channels and SDTV channels?

Post mo' pics peez!

[FreshPrinceOfBellAir]

Wow! I guess that makes 3 things to come from Texas (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/jacket1.html) ... :D
I was just looking at that LCD and thinking, only if it was cheaper. Too bad I'm in CA. :mad:

[KingThot]

Holy crap you have high sales tax. :eek:


WA is 8.8% :(

[H]ot deal.

[Advil]

That's why. Here in Oregon they are frequently $1500 at BB. After your sales tax they're also about $1500.

Sales tax sux. Then again so does income and property tax.

[Sz1hart]

WA is 8.8% :(

[H]ot deal.

I though it was 8.5?

[ampedxc27]

it comes up as 1900? huh? am i missing something... :confused:

[HighwayAssassins]

...Texas (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/jacket1.html) ... Thats fuckin dope.

[Tiny]

lol 6.5% here in MN. No tax on clothes either. (don't move here though, that is the only brite spot for this dumb state)

More info on how well it looks for TV please!

I keep reading about the Westies in the Display forums, but no one ever uses it for TV, they just use it for computering. (if I just made up that word "computering", I claim all rights and royalties)

[Malatov]

8.25% tax is not that bad considering my nearest Best Buy is right up the road in Chattanooga, TN. Sales tax there is 9.5% or 9.75%, I don't remember which. Tennessee has the highest sales tax on the country. That's why I generally won't buy big-ticket items from there.

[Asian Dub Foundation]

sales tax here in san francisco is 8.5 :mad:

[Raines8416]

your pic is dead...

well nonetheless, im gonna check out my bestbuy tommarow. you never know.

[d94]

alll the reviews also note that this is 12ms!

[hodiscuss]

8.25% tax is not that bad considering my nearest Best Buy is right up the road in Chattanooga, TN. Sales tax there is 9.5% or 9.75%, I don't remember which. Tennessee has the highest sales tax on the country. That's why I generally won't buy big-ticket items from there.

Tennessee even charges SALES TAX on GROCERY FOOD!!!!!!

[mastercheeze]

Tennessee even charges SALES TAX on GROCERY FOOD!!!!!!


Welcome to planet earth. Most states charge sales tax on food and beverage (especially bev). Hope you stop back sometime.

On topic: Damn, I'm looking for a 32" lcd for my room, 720p is fine but if the price keeps dropping on this or the westy 32" then I'm going to spring for it. Of course that will necessitate another 7800GT, but...such is life.

[KingThot]

I though it was 8.5?

8.8 unless the store I work at aims to make an extra .3% on every customer :p

[masher]

WA is 8.8% :(.
Umm, no it isn't. Your state sales tax rate is 6.5%. The extra is local sales tax...which varies from place to place in the state.

[needmorecarnitine]

That's why. Here in Oregon they are frequently $1500 at BB. After your sales tax they're also about $1500.

Its $1294 after tax

[needmorecarnitine]

Most states charge sales tax on food and beverage (especially bev).

Really? I thought it was uncommon. 7.75% and no tax on food that needs to be prepared here (Costa Mesa, CA)

[barefootbilly]

Welcome to planet earth. Most states charge sales tax on food and beverage (especially bev). Hope you stop back sometime.

On topic: Damn, I'm looking for a 32" lcd for my room, 720p is fine but if the price keeps dropping on this or the westy 32" then I'm going to spring for it. Of course that will necessitate another 7800GT, but...such is life.

i got that one for $899 a month ago when it was on sale. I had to go to like 4 best buys to find it though. Sweet tv. :cool:

[NTB]

Costco has the Sceptre 37" LCD HDTV version, same screen with Built in NTSC & ATSC tuners for $1499, plus you get the Costco return policy. Picked one up a couple weeks ago.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11042448&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=

[masher]

Welcome to planet earth. Most states charge sales tax on food...Hope you stop back sometime.

That would be funny if you were correct. But you're not. Only 5 states charge sales tax on food. A handful more don't charge themselves, but allow local sales tax to be charged. The majority, however, exempt it outright.

[braamer]

Welcome to planet earth. Most states charge sales tax on food and beverage (especially bev). Hope you stop back sometime.

That's funny, because here in Michigan they don't. And our state sales tax is 6%, which looks good relative to the rest of you. Too bad the state's economy is going in the tank...

[dasoldier]

Here in the Tulsa, Ok area sales tax = .... 9.017 I kid you not, and that is on food as well.

Highest in the country

[KarFai]

6% sales tax in Michigan FTW!

[magoo]

HA,HA sadly my sales tax has you all beat to hell......Try 9.75% thats right buddy, 9.75. We take it right up the shortz. Thats why I buy alot of stuff online and outta the reach of the tax man(person). I hope big brother isnt watching. :rolleyes:

[KarFai]

The Best Buys in MI won't do the price match for it... apparently their interpretation and mine on their price matching policy differ, there are similar prices to this in South Carolina, and Atlanta, from what Fat Wallet said on their forums.

[Dr.LaRd]

i live in canada, and the province i live in (new brunswick, for americans, it neighbors Maine) and our sales tax is 15%.....FIFTEEN PERCENT....on all items except those deemed as "grocery"....so stop yer whinning!!! :p

oh, and nice price on the tv :D

[Raines8416]

QUIT ARGUING ABOUT SALES TAX! You guys are gonna get this thread locked!

[KarFai]

I don't really see why a disscussion about sales tax would get a thread locked...

now, a question for you all is how would you interperate this from Best Buy's site.


What if I find a lower price at a Best Buy store or BestBuy.com?
If you find a lower price on BestBuy.com or at another Best Buy store either at the time of your purchase or within 30 days of your purchase (14 days for desktop computers, notebooks, projectors, monitors, printers, camcorders, digital cameras and radar detectors), we will refund you 100% of the difference. The extra 10% of the difference does not apply. (Web exclusive offers advertised on BestBuy.com are not eligible for price matches.)


would you say that would mean that any Best Buy should Price match to 1199? Or not...

[Raines8416]

I don't really see why a disscussion about sales tax would get a thread locked...

now, a question for you all is how would you interperate this from Best Buy's site.


What if I find a lower price at a Best Buy store or BestBuy.com?
If you find a lower price on BestBuy.com or at another Best Buy store either at the time of your purchase or within 30 days of your purchase (14 days for desktop computers, notebooks, projectors, monitors, printers, camcorders, digital cameras and radar detectors), we will refund you 100% of the difference. The extra 10% of the difference does not apply. (Web exclusive offers advertised on BestBuy.com are not eligible for price matches.)


would you say that would mean that any Best Buy should Price match to 1199? Or not...

Because its off topic.

Anyway, someone said that their store wouldnt price match, im going to try it at mine later today though. They should, its just a matter of how nice the manager is.

[wonkman]

Texas is so far away. :(

I want one and this price is just enough to shatter my willpower. $1899 here in NY :eek:

[himmy]

On topic: Damn, I'm looking for a 32" lcd for my room, 720p is fine but if the price keeps dropping on this or the westy 32" then I'm going to spring for it. Of course that will necessitate another 7800GT, but...such is life.

1080P are the only ones to offer good resolutions for computers.

[himmy]

HA,HA sadly my sales tax has you all beat to hell......Try 9.75% thats right buddy, 9.75. We take it right up the shortz. Thats why I buy alot of stuff online and outta the reach of the tax man(person). I hope big brother isnt watching. :rolleyes:

Good job. And when they raise taxes because so many buy out of state to save on tax which decreases state revenues will you bitch then, too?

[|oR|Spetsnaz]

My friend's dad uses that LCD as his monitor on his computer. One time I called it a television and he just about shit himself. He was like OMGZ NOOOO ITS A MONITOR NOT A TV OMGZ!!! I laugh.

[Crazy Larry]

No sales tax here in Delaware! :D

[HighHardOne]

Trying buying something here within the Chicago city limits. 9.25%. Hello!

[_G_]

My friend's dad uses that LCD as his monitor on his computer. One time I called it a television and he just about shit himself. He was like OMGZ NOOOO ITS A MONITOR NOT A TV OMGZ!!! I laugh.
well technically since the westy has no turner it is a monitor :p

btw bb in florida never caried this unit (sku is in there system as deleted or discontinued :confused: )

[malicious]

Tennessee even charges SALES TAX on GROCERY FOOD!!!!!!


yea I live in Nashville and it's like 9.5% they just shot down a vote to raise it to like 9.75% which I think is the highest allowed by federal law.

but like FL we don't have a state income tax so that is good.

NEWEGG charges Tennesseans Sales Tax AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

[koomba]

Holy crap you have high sales tax. :eek:

And here in the great state of Tennessee, I pay 9.5% Top in the country, I do believe? :rolleyes:

[BodySnatcher]

Yikes!

Guys y'all need to settle down a wee bit on da taxes. The discussion of sales tax is just a slice of the pie. The government screws you comin and going. For example the TN guys are complaining about 9.5% ...but they don't mention that TN for ever hasn't had a state income tax. The [H] boyz from MI giggle when they claim their sales tax is 6%, but they have a very [H]ardazz state income tax for anyone making over @$50,000. Add into this the property tax variations and a whole lotta stealth taxes, (like how the state of Michigan sticks 25% of their medicaid costs on the workers who have blue cross insurance). Anyway the point is it is very difficult to figure out who has it hard and who doesn't. Just give thanks for every day that the the old gray hairs in washington are too stoopid (or to smart) to figure out how to tax on the web when they do then we all can start the crying game...

[JediFonger]

that's true. i'm in MA, tax here is 5%, but they take close to 30% of what you make on top of the regular property&auto tax if you own property. plus, the insurance companies are in cahoots with the .gov and basaically, the cost of living is sky high. on the other hand, we have a higher than average income to balance it somewhat.

[mastercheeze]

That would be funny if you were correct. But you're not. Only 5 states charge sales tax on food. A handful more don't charge themselves, but allow local sales tax to be charged. The majority, however, exempt it outright.

Not to be a douche, but according to this....

linky (http://www.cbpp.org/1-13-03sfp.htm)

quote:

Twenty-nine states and the District of Columbia exempt most food purchased for consumption at home from the state sales tax. Louisiana and New Mexico are the states that most recently eliminated their sales tax on food.

So, lets just say we're both wrong, and onto the cheap westys!

Oh and anyone from NH in here? AKA the "live FREE or DIE" state

[masher]

So, lets just say we're both wrong, and onto the cheap westys!

No one is calling me wrong on this vital, obviously on-topic subject! :p

By your link, its _fully_ exempted by 29 states-- a majority, as I said. My own
link (http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html) claimed 32 states.

I did say only "five states tax food", where I should have more precisely said "tax food fully, without providing any rebate, credit, or partial exemption."

Now, onto the cheap Westies...

[hodiscuss]

Oh and anyone from NH in here? AKA the "live FREE or DIE" state

Residents of one state may complain about their sales tax, in another state it may be their income tax, but adding up all the different taxes charged by the state/local govts (the TOTAL TAX BURDEN) is how one's pocketbook is really being eaten up by taxes.

CNN reported that according to analysis performed by the Tax Foundation,
For 2005, New Hampshire has the SECOND LOWEST tax burden of all 50 US states -- taking about 7.4% of what its residents make through ALL of NH's various taxes. Tax Burden is "what residents in state and local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes and fuel taxes, among others."

Massachusetts (AKA Taxachusetts) ranks #32 - middle of the pack.

The HIGHEST tax burdens are in #1 (Maine), #2 (NY), #3 (Hawaii), #4 (Rhode Island), #5 (Wisconsin).

The LOWEST tax burdens are in #50 (Alaska), #49 (NH), #48 (Delaware), #47 (Tennessee), #46 (Alabama).

So even though Tennessee charges 9.5% on sales tax (and taxes GROCERY FOOD), it actually has the FOURTH LOWEST tax burden, taxing away 8.3% of what its residents make.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/taxesbystate2005/

Back to the Westy, anyone get a discounted Westy in NH or Alaska? Not only to have low tax burdens, but also to get a bargain priced Westy -- your money goes farther in NH and Alaska :D

[CardiaK]

I own one of these and use it as a GIANT PC monitor and HDTV for my X360.

It had absolutely ZERO problems syncing up with 1:1 pixel mapping on my 6800GT over the DVI1 input. (Only the DVI1 input and the VGA input "do" true 1080p)

It booted up to windows in some other widescreen resolution, like 1600x900 or something, but 1920x1080 immediately became available as a resolution by going to display properties.

No Powerstrip, no registry tweaking or fancypants stuff needed.

A few of the other people who've gotten this set and use other video cards said they needed to change the horizontal refresh to 59Hz instead of 60Hz to get perfect 1:1 pixel matching, but I didn't need to.

There is some MINOR ghosting if that kind of thing concerns you; I don't have a problem with it, even when playing CS:Source, but if you're REALLY picky or play in CAL-I or something, don't think that you won't see any ghosting at all.

My only complaint about the set is that I DO have some vertical banding; it's only noticeable on backgrounds that are almost all one color, like certain webpages and when swimming in World of Warcraft where the horizon is just a big blue wall.

I've had this set since Thanksgiving, and I still have a couple of weeks to return it to BB (thumbs up to holiday return policy) and I'm still not sure if the banding is worth the hassle of returning the set and getting a new one.

$1200 is a steal for this set if you can get it at that price. I bought it when it was on sale from BB for $1600, $1700 with tax+ship.

This thing is the bizomb. Last night, my WoW server was full, so I put WoW in a PiP window in the corner of the screen while I waited in queue, and played Geometry Wars on the X360 while I waited.

[WarHammer]

When I went to BB to see if I could pick one up the price was $1899. The salesperson said that the sale was BB pricematching another stores 37" monitor. The best they would do for me now that the pricematch is over is $1699.

Warhammer

[daroy99]

Texas doesnt have State income tax, unlike other states. Food/bev arent taxed either

[fuelvolts]

Welcome to planet earth. Most states charge sales tax on food and beverage (especially bev). Hope you stop back sometime.

On topic: Damn, I'm looking for a 32" lcd for my room, 720p is fine but if the price keeps dropping on this or the westy 32" then I'm going to spring for it. Of course that will necessitate another 7800GT, but...such is life.

Texas does not charge taxes on groceries - I believe Texas is on Earth, no?

[fuelvolts]

Texas doesnt have State income tax, unlike other states. Food/bev arent taxed either


When you live in a very conservative state, usually taxes are kept to an absolute minimum

/God bless Texas!

[_G_]

um.... im intrested in one of these 1080p lcd's not in a moaning contest on who pays
the highest taxes. Please take it to OT (oh wait, hardforums doesn't have off topic section,
my bad :p )

[|oR|Spetsnaz]

^^^

Yes it does...You just have to pay for it. I gladly paid for it, its a great OT forum that keeps me occupied at work.

[Tiny]

Well that settles it. I am going back to school to actually get my degree in Accounting, as I currently practice it without one (shhhh, don't tell), and moving to Alaska and opening up my own buisness and will buy the Westy and make it my first write-off.

:D

[mope54]

Costco has the Sceptre 37" LCD HDTV version, same screen with Built in NTSC & ATSC tuners for $1499, plus you get the Costco return policy. Picked one up a couple weeks ago.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11042448&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=

why isn't this the better deal?
tuners, costco warranty, no muss with BB PM'ing, what's the verdict on this sceptre screen?

[Raines8416]

why isn't this the better deal?
tuners, costco warranty, no muss with BB PM'ing, what's the verdict on this sceptre screen?


Cause not everyone is a costco member ;)

It is a good deal though. I thought it was only 1080i, but since its 1080p I may just have to get a costco membership when I am ready to buy a nice big screen monitor.

[JediFonger]

i've read that the 1080p isn't "real" & that the DVI is real finnicky. what problems are you guys hearing about this?

[solotech]

Goto to the Display thread and take a look at pics of peeps setups. pleany of beautiful pics of this baby as a working display.

I personaly would go with the:
Westinghouse 42" 1080p Monitor LVM-42w2
or
Westinghouse 37" 1080p Monitor LVM-37w1
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=999451
i belive the pics do not depict the new ver w/ updated HDMI inputs.

Both have true HTDV 1080p support and dual HDMI plugs for you HDMI plug freaks.

There are reports that the displays are made in the same factory but none of the reports seem to be truely validated.

[joemama]

Ok...(I'm in Texas and have a BB 3 blocks away :D ) but I have a question...who really makes "Westinghouse"? I assume it's a dead company and someone is using the name. For example...Zenith plasmas and other electronics are actually LG.

[mope54]

Ok...(I'm in Texas and have a BB 3 blocks away :D ) but I have a question...who really makes "Westinghouse"? I assume it's a dead company and someone is using the name. For example...Zenith plasmas and other electronics are actually LG.

I think westinghouse was a household brand, so you are probably correct.
I thought they were like toasters and appliances like that.

[masher]

I think westinghouse was a household brand, so you are probably correct.
I thought they were like toasters and appliances like that.
The Westinghouse brand is owned by White-Westinghouse, a company ultimately owned by AB Electrolux, I believe.

[jfish]

thanks a LOT to whoever linked the sceptre 37" from costco, MUCH hotter deal. getting a costco membership just for that :p.

[goud]

Ok, here is a mystery. I have the latest Costco coupon book that came in the mail. This thing has coupons for every week reaching out to march 27th. For the week of march 6-12th there is a 500$ coupon for the Scptre 42'' LCD HDTV Television, 1080p with ATSC and NTSC tuners and HDMI. The mystery is that I can not find this TV listed on the Costco site or the Sceptre site. This looks to be a brand new TV and at 42" and 1080p should make a fine high end monitor. I can not find any aditional specs but being brand new it should be pretty nice. I also can not find any price so 500$ off might be a great deal or could be luke warm.
Good luck

[hodiscuss]

Ok, here is a mystery. I have the latest Costco coupon book that came in the mail. This thing has coupons for every week reaching out to march 27th. For the week of march 6-12th there is a 500$ coupon for the Scptre 42'' LCD HDTV Television, 1080p with ATSC and NTSC tuners and HDMI. The mystery is that I can not find this TV listed on the Costco site or the Sceptre site. This looks to be a brand new TV and at 42" and 1080p should make a fine high end monitor. I can not find any aditional specs but being brand new it should be pretty nice. I also can not find any price so 500$ off might be a great deal or could be luke warm.
Good luck

Here are pics of a Sceptre 42" X42sv-Naga. Don't know if it's the 1080p version. Of special note is the separate MEDIA BOX which handles all various display connectors instead of having them in the back of the TV.

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/View_x42sv-Naga.htm

[goud]

How did you find that picture. That TV is not listed on thier site under products?
Thanks

[hodiscuss]

How did you find that picture. That TV is not listed on thier site under products?
Thanks

The page is unlinked since the display hasn't been OFFICIALLY released yet. So don't go taking that page to be the final product. Maybe something just "to keep the rampant speculation at bay" until March 2006 ;)

[himmy]

i've read that the 1080p isn't "real" & that the DVI is real finnicky. what problems are you guys hearing about this?

The vast majority of 1080P sets do not accept a 1080P signal. There are only a few that accept a true 1080P signal.

[halcyon]

The vast majority of 1080P sets do not accept a 1080P signal. There are only a few that accept a true 1080P signal.

Can you give us some examples of which ones do?

[KingThot]

Spectre review:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_4/sceptre-37-inch-lcd-hdtv-11-2005-part-2.html

[Malatov]

Can you give us some examples of which ones do?
The only ones I've seen so far are these HP (yes, Hewlett Packard) DLP models.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dC4qv7JHExp/cgi-bin/prodgroup.asp?g=147350&nvpair=FFBrand%7CHewlett+Packard#see_all

[Tengis]

I didnt read most of this thread after seeing the comment about price matching with Bestbuy.com and Bestbuy.

Bestbuy.com is run as a completely seperate company when compared to Bestbuy. The ONLY way to get Bestbuy.com price in store is to buy it online and set it for in-store pickup. There is no way to get store prices in the interweb site.

[NACZ3]

Here are pics of a Sceptre 42" X42sv-Naga. Don't know if it's the 1080p version. Of special note is the separate MEDIA BOX which handles all various display connectors instead of having them in the back of the TV.

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/View_x42sv-Naga.htm


Yes, that is the 1080
http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_X42SV-Naga.htm

[J Macker]

westinghouse also owns & designs nuclear reactors

[JediFonger]

if the sets don't accept 1080p what's the point of having such a high-resolution? shouldn't all of it be HD-DVD/Blu-Ray ready?

The vast majority of 1080P sets do not accept a 1080P signal. There are only a few that accept a true 1080P signal.

[himmy]

if the sets don't accept 1080p what's the point of having such a high-resolution? shouldn't all of it be HD-DVD/Blu-Ray ready?

Higher resolutions for use as a monitor, that is at at this time.

No one is broadcasting in 1080P anyways(probably not for a long time).

Also, HD-DVD players are not 1080P yet. None of the first models coming out support 1080p output.

The reason few tv's (and no announced HD-DVD player) accepts 1080P is because the latest version of HDMI has not been finalized. The latest version of HDMI will be the first connection with 1080P support.

[Malatov]

The reason few tv's (and no announced HD-DVD player) accepts 1080P is because the latest version of HDMI has not been finalized. The latest version of HDMI will be the first connection with 1080P support.
But what about HP's DLP sets that DO accept a true 1080p signal over HDMI? If HDMI/HDCP @ 1080p hasn't been finalized, what assumptions is HP making with their 1080p HDMI inputs? I'm just curious.

[himmy]

But what about HP's DLP sets that DO accept a true 1080p signal over HDMI? If HDMI/HDCP @ 1080p hasn't been finalized, what assumptions is HP making with their 1080p HDMI inputs? I'm just curious.

Beats me, I never understood why there were sets accepting a 1080p signal when it is not standardized yet myself. Fact is there is no standard yet as the industry is STILL dragging their feet on HDTV's and getting any standards finalized. it took them forever just to settle on 720p/1080i sets(and those are the current standards as no one would commit to one of the other, some would commit to one or the other, so both became a standard)

They most likely are going by what they feel will be the set standard.Same witht his whole HD-DVD/Blu-ray BS. They will not compromise on one standard, so now we get to deal with competing formats. Many forget there was even a DVD format war, but the alternative was shitty and everyone knew from the gate it was going to be the loser.

[Malatov]

Beats me, I never understood why there were sets accepting a 1080p signal when it is not standardized yet myself. Fact is there is no standard yet as the industry is STILL dragging their feet on HDTV's and getting any standards finalized. it took them forever just to settle on 720p/1080i sets(and those are the current standards as no one would commit to one of the other, some would commit to one or the other, so both became a standard)
Actually, I wonder if it really matters that much. Is a "true" 1080p signal going to look much if any better than a 1080i signal upconverted to 1080p? It's not like the upconversion is scaling, it's just de-interlacing the same number of physical pixels, so wouldn't the result be the same? I've yet to see a "true" 1080p input signal, so I'm just speculating, but on a technical level I have to wonder if there's really a difference as long as the de-interlacer can keep up and doesn't introduce artifacts of some sort.

[JediFonger]

what? you serious? i haven't been catching up on the latest CES news but are you saying that the latest Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players won't output 1080p? that's stupid! do you know if the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray medias themselves contain 1080p signals? if not, that's even worse! 1080i is hard to tell from 720p on the best displays, but 1080p is much sharper than 720p on a front projector. i know cause i have a BenQ 6200 and while it's not 1080p, the diff between 720p T2 wmv files vs. the original 1080p is still astounding.

malatov, T2's 1080p files are true 1920x1080p. FYI.



Higher resolutions for use as a monitor, that is at at this time.

No one is broadcasting in 1080P anyways(probably not for a long time).

Also, HD-DVD players are not 1080P yet. None of the first models coming out support 1080p output.

The reason few tv's (and no announced HD-DVD player) accepts 1080P is because the latest version of HDMI has not been finalized. The latest version of HDMI will be the first connection with 1080P support.

[himmy]

what? you serious? i haven't been catching up on the latest CES news but are you saying that the latest Blu-Ray/HD-DVD players won't output 1080p? that's stupid! do you know if the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray medias themselves contain 1080p signals? if not, that's even worse! 1080i is hard to tell from 720p on the best displays, but 1080p is much sharper than 720p on a front projector. i know cause i have a BenQ 6200 and while it's not 1080p, the diff between 720p T2 wmv files vs. the original 1080p is still astounding.

malatov, T2's 1080p files are true 1920x1080p. FYI.

The first offerings of HD-DVD are not 1080P, but they supposedly will be. There are many who believe that the higher resolution audio(more space being used on the disc) means 1080P will not be possible on HD-DVD discs, which hold less than a BR disc.

BR is supposed to have 1080P from the get go.

[himmy]

Actually, I wonder if it really matters that much. Is a "true" 1080p signal going to look much if any better than a 1080i signal upconverted to 1080p? It's not like the upconversion is scaling, it's just de-interlacing the same number of physical pixels, so wouldn't the result be the same? I've yet to see a "true" 1080p input signal, so I'm just speculating, but on a technical level I have to wonder if there's really a difference as long as the de-interlacer can keep up and doesn't introduce artifacts of some sort.

Yes, there is a difference. look at current tech, like a DVD running on in 480i and 480p.

[mell1n]

...back on topic...

this tv is available again at $1199 in TX today. use the 10% off coupon for 1079 + tax.
http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/en_US/images/external/emailpdf/hta2.pdf

[hodiscuss]

this tv is available again at $1199 in TX today. use the 10% off coupon for 1079 + tax.

Hey, mell1n,
Deutsch420 is eager to buy a Westy at that price (Think he'll have a heart attack if he hears about the $1079 price :D) He posted that he'll pay $100+ to hire a "personal shopper" who will buy and ship the Westy to him...

So mell1n or anyone else who has a BestBuy selling at $1199 or less, interested in earning $100+ for your time and work to getting him that Westy?

Reply to his post #142 or PM him...
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028859738&postcount=142

[Malatov]

Yes, there is a difference. look at current tech, like a DVD running on in 480i and 480p.
Oh, I know there is a big difference between watching an interlaced signal vs. a progressive signal. That's not what I said though.

I'm talking about a 1080i signal upconverted to 1080p and displayed at 1080p, compared to a signal that originated in 1080p. Both viewed at 1080p. Would you see a difference? Same number of pixels, both de-interlaced. Unless the de-interlace circuitry doing the upconversion introduced artifacts, I would think you would have virtually the same output quality, because there is no scaling being done.

[Deutch420]

Hey, mell1n,
Deutsch420 is eager to buy a Westy at that price (Think he'll have a heart attack if he hears about the $1079 price :D) He posted that he'll pay $100+ to hire a "personal shopper" who will buy and ship the Westy to him...

So mell1n or anyone else who has a BestBuy selling at $1199 or less, interested in earning $100+ for your time and work to getting him that Westy?

Reply to his post #142 or PM him...
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028859738&postcount=142

yea!! or anyone who lives near anywhere that is selling them cheap.. Ill throw whomever some cash to get it and ship it for me.. All i ask is for some heat/ebay or other referances before i send the $$... I'de apprecicate the help.. BB near me is giving it to me up the pooper.. $1899.... :mad:

[JediFonger]

if the i->p conversion was well done, then most viewers wouldn't see a difference. it all depends on the convesion process. it's the same with HDV editing that i'm doing right now. i just videoed a wedding with Canon's latest XL H1 (www.canondv.com) and it's 1440x1080i. i encoded it to 1920x1080p. depending on how good the encoder is, it can look awesome or awful.

Oh, I know there is a big difference between watching an interlaced signal vs. a progressive signal. That's not what I said though.

I'm talking about a 1080i signal upconverted to 1080p and displayed at 1080p, compared to a signal that originated in 1080p. Both viewed at 1080p. Would you see a difference? Same number of pixels, both de-interlaced. Unless the de-interlace circuitry doing the upconversion introduced artifacts, I would think you would have virtually the same output quality, because there is no scaling being done.

[himmy]

Oh, I know there is a big difference between watching an interlaced signal vs. a progressive signal. That's not what I said though.

I'm talking about a 1080i signal upconverted to 1080p and displayed at 1080p, compared to a signal that originated in 1080p. Both viewed at 1080p. Would you see a difference? Same number of pixels, both de-interlaced. Unless the de-interlace circuitry doing the upconversion introduced artifacts, I would think you would have virtually the same output quality, because there is no scaling being done.

Depends on what is converting it. DCDi is one of the best.

[mchlhotrod]

just got an email this morning and it had this deal in it.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=201674369&adid=17653&dcaid=17653

pretty sweet monitor at agood price

[JediFonger]

tsk tsk tsk, resolution not 1080p.

just got an email this morning and it had this deal in it.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=201674369&adid=17653&dcaid=17653

pretty sweet monitor at agood price

[josanai]

Damn, why can't they be $1200 here in MN? I would be in for at least 2. Oh well, I will wait until they drop to $1200 here, then snatch a couple, hopefully in time for PS3, unless the 1080P Plasmas or SED TVs are really kickass and worth the $$$ over these. 'Til then my Hitachi HD Plasma (Over 2 years old :eek: ) will have to tide me over.

[qfour20]

Well, that's it. I just HAVE to get one now. I'm stuck out of town (in boston) until friday, but saturday morning, I'm heading off to BB to pick one of these bad boys up. I called up BB to check on pricing and verified that it's currently $1199 until Saturday. Starting Sunday they go "on sale" for $1599 or some stupid crap.

I will post my experience and pics of it running mythtv off a SD DirecTV source (AND PLAYING BF2!) once I get it, as I plan on skipping work on monday. I have a 6800Ultra that I need to install for just such purposes... MWUUHAHAHAHAAAA! :cool:

Any other news from [H]'ers on this?

-q

[wotblake]

I called the store in Galleria Texas today (my dad lives there) and was qouted 1799 for this monitor. Anyone know where to get a deal on one near houston? I'm ready to buy, but not at 1799. :(

[qfour20]

I called the store in Galleria Texas today (my dad lives there) and was qouted 1799 for this monitor. Anyone know where to get a deal on one near houston? I'm ready to buy, but not at 1799. :(

The galleria is an area near which a lot of people with more dollars than sense live, so pricing will NOT be very competitive. I PM'ed you a location that would be better suited to picking one up. Best of luck. You're looking for a higher volume store that's not in a rich neighborhood. There might be some in Houston that have it at this price, and if not, tell them to price match the offer at the other stores.

Also, use the coupon mentioned at the top of this page.

-q

[hodiscuss]

Anyone know where to get a deal on one near houston? I'm ready to buy, but not at 1799. :(

People in Texas calling local BB stores have reported that the $1199 price is only at certain stores. There may be other Best Buy locations in other cities, but these are the cities posted so far...
Austin, TX (3 hrs away from Houston!)
Lewisville, TX
Frisco, TX

And the extended warranty was $160...

In any case, you still have to call each store to DOUBLE-CHECK price and availability (and somehow get the store to hold one until you arrive at that store)

[qfour20]

People in Texas calling local BB stores have reported that the $1199 price is only at certain stores. There may be other Best Buy locations in other cities, but these are the cities posted so far...
Austin, TX
Lewisville, TX
Frisco, TX

And the extended warranty was $160...

In any case, you still have to call each store to DOUBLE-CHECK price and availability (and somehow get the store to hold one until you arrive at that store)

I spoke with a very helpful gentleman who searched through thier pricing system at a BB local to me near downtown dallas (the store is on Central Expressway. Since (as mentioned above) I'm out of town, I asked him about pre-ordering over the phone, etc. He said the they were not allowed to take any orders over the phone because of abuses / fraud in the past. He told me that they were out of stock at that location, but the warehouse local to that store had inventory. Basically he told me to come in and make the purchase (pay for it) and delivery would be scheduled from the warehouse to my house (nice, because I couldn't even fit the last 27" tv into my car!).

Just call around. You might try informing the closest BB to you about the prices that other stores have on this, but in the end, I have a sneaking suspicion it will be a losing proposition. If you call around (and are friendly, patient and curteous to the employees) you will probabbly find a store that has it for this price in the DFW metroplex. To be honest, I'd say that this deal would be worth a small road trip in the least. Heck, if they didn't have them in dallas, I'd drive to Houston / Austin / San Antonio to get it for this price.

When I do buy, I think I'll be getting the extended warranty *if* the coupon applies to the price of that as well. I could use the extra coverage for that price, and the spiffs and / or higher margin sales will help the employee out. It's win / win. One of the only times you'll ever hear me speaking positively about an extended warranty. This is only because I don't plan on buying another set for at least 5 years.

Best of luck to all, and if you bastards buy all of them up before I'm back in town on saturday I'll never forgive you.

-q

[hodiscuss]

Best of luck to all, and if you bastards buy all of them up before I'm back in town on saturday I'll never forgive you.



How bout contacting a friend/neighbor living near you to go buy the Westy for you so you don't miss out?

[Deutch420]

So no one wants to make a fast quick easy 100 bucks huh?? Im hoping to make it to my best buy tonight, but if anyone wants to pick one up for me at 1200, ill pay you 100 bucks for your troubles + whatever shipping is..

[PhoS]

i'd also be willing to pay to have someone grab me one :(

[mcbarnet007]

Print out the receipt, go to BB and find someone that looks nice. Tell them that a friend told you about this deal and gave you the receipt and see if they can pricematch it for you. It worked for me but I forgot the 10% coupon....Good luck everyone. I love this monitor. BTW, If you are REALLY desperate I could get this deal for you (hopefully they still price match it here) but I think I would need 150 to make my butt move.

[H-street]

for those of you interested too, bestbuy has an no interest until 2009 on all TV's over 999$..

is the TV going on sale for 1599$ at all stores on sunday?

i am probably going to go pick it up but around here its still 1800$ - the 10% coupon (which is about 1620$)..

but then again the 10% coupon expires on the 21st (and sunday is the 22nd)..

maybe i'll just go pick it up, 1620$ still isn't too bad.

[JediFonger]

how many ms?

[NTB]

Costco has the Sceptre 37" LCD HDTV version, same screen with Built in NTSC & ATSC tuners for $1499, plus you get the Costco return policy. Picked one up a couple weeks ago.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11042448&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=

Did everyone miss this?

The one listed for Best Buy does not have any tuner.

[wotblake]

Did everyone miss this?

The one listed for Best Buy does not have any tuner.

Most people who use high end displays/tv's do not use the onboard tuner.

[Finger]

Sometimes it's hard to convince the wife to get off that regular residential cable and "move up" (which to them means "it costs more money") to something that's HD. It's especially difficult to convince her it's worth the extra money when you just dropped 2 G's on a TV. Having a regular tuner means you can get a smoother transition!!

[JediFonger]

well, ya gotta show her what she's missing.

[qfour20]

Well, here's my experience with the boys in blue.

Went into best buy saturday afternoon. As could be expected, they were pretty busy. I told the first salesman that talked to me that I wanted to pick up the 37" westy. He was finishing up with a customer (as was everyone else from his departement), so I wandered around and looked at all the toys. After a short while, he got back with me (the lady he was helping before me was rather clueless, which provided him with a nice opportunity to upsell stuff. glad i knew exactly what I wanted) The store was out of stock of the W37's, but the warehouse had them. Apparently, to deliver from the warehouse is a $50 charge.

The price that they had them for was $1499. I explained that I had called earlier in the week and spoken to somebody about that panel, etc. and was quoted $1299 that would be valid through saturday. He said that he wouldn't be able to honor that price, as he had no information about it having been sold at that price. Fair enough. I asked if I could talk to a manager (no reason to get mad at an employee for doing his job). He said sure and walked off to dig one up. When he returned (I never did talk to a manager), he said he could split the difference with me. That's fair enough, in my opinion. I would have LOVED to get this panel for $1299, but still, $1399 isn't too bad.

I informed him that I had the 10% coupon. He took a look at the coupon and said that he would not be able to honor it. He told me that he would be happy to honor the coupon, but his manager had gotten onto them for doing it on sale priced items. The coupon would be for the panel's full price of $1899. :(

So, after all was said and done, I was looking at just over $1700 for the panel, delivery, and a 4 year on site warranty. He asked me if I needed accessories and I told him no. He was obviously disappointed at not being able to sell me cables and a power conditioner, but he'll get a spiff for the extended warranty.

The panel should arrive tomorrow, and I'm very excited. I didn't get as [H]ot of a deal as some others, but it was a better deal than current online pricing or in store pricing. It's a fair price for this panel, and provided the panel has no issues with dead pixels, I will now completely disregard all TV pricing information until it's time to buy another.

Good luck to all of you out there.

-q

[Tengis]

but he'll get a spiff for the extended warranty.

Incorrect.

Bestbuy is one of the only places left where you dont get any type of commision on anything. I worked in Bestbuy for about 7 months... I saw so many people get screwed over.

For future reference: If they say they cant take a coupon then tell them to leave the TV near the registers because you have to do some more shopping. When they get busy with another customer then get someone near the registers to ring you up. Voila, coupon time!

[qfour20]

Bestbuy is one of the only places left where you dont get any type of commision on anything.

That's really too bad. Commission is an excellent motivator that I've seen (from both sides of the equation) result in FAR superior customer service.


For future reference: If they say they cant take a coupon then tell them to leave the TV near the registers because you have to do some more shopping. When they get busy with another customer then get someone near the registers to ring you up. Voila, coupon time!
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I had to use him to ring it up, though, because they didn't have the panel in the store so I was setting up home delivery. Thanks!

-q

[ScubaSteve]

Incorrect.

Bestbuy is one of the only places left where you dont get any type of commision on anything. I worked in Bestbuy for about 7 months... I saw so many people get screwed over.

For future reference: If they say they cant take a coupon then tell them to leave the TV near the registers because you have to do some more shopping. When they get busy with another customer then get someone near the registers to ring you up. Voila, coupon time!


you don't get a commission, but you are required to keep the % of extended warranties you sell above a certain number. Therefore people working there push those warranties just as if they were getting a comm. on it.