Viewsonic VX2025wm arrived! First impressions and pics

[sanitystream]

do you mean 1280x720, or is there some sort of provision built into the 360 that sends 1280x768 when outputting to VGA?? 'cause thru component, it's definitely 1280x720, hence "720p", and WS on any flat panel PC display i've ever seen has always been 16x10 (ie: 1280x800). i ask because if you're sending 1280x720 to the Gateway display, you must be seeing a letterboxed image? if not, then i guess it's a slightly stretched 16x9. oh well, i'll give it a swirl myself in a couple weeks when my VS comes in.


When you use the Xbox 360's VGA cable you have a variety of options, among them 1280x720 and 1280x768 (I use 1280x768). I just set my Gateway to "Wide" mode and the image fits the whole screen. Or you could use 1:1 and you'd get black bars to the sides and above, but that's sort of pointless because you'd be using a lot less of your available screen.

[Mangavin]

I haven't tried it but I've read a few posts that teh Nvidia software will scale and keep the proper ratio. Don't know about ATi.

Hello all,

Does somebody, could post the photo of a game in 800x600 (or 1025x768) with "the option" of the 7900gt or 7900gtx, to see if there are black bars..

Thank you for your help.

[boomheadshot45]

i love this monitor, i am gona be ordering it from newegg soon and all of the other parts w00t

[Devorikk]

Ouch...suddenly now I'm in a tough spot now that I heard the 360 looks like crap on the VX2025wm. Would anyone be able to post some pics, or is there anyone else that has tried this and can provide some additional input?

The Gateway that Sanitystream mentioned is approx $200 more...are there alternatives in the same price-range (excluding the Dell)?

Thanks...

--Dev

[HoodooGuru]

I purchased the Viewsonic VX2025wm last Friday and finally got the chance to fire it up. Coming from a solid 19" Dell CRT, my intial impressions are:

PROs:

Great looking monitor. Blends well with my Saitech keyboard and MX1000 mouse.
Image quality is EXCELLENT. I have ZERO dead pixels (verified with Dead Pixel Buddy) and almost no backlighting. I really cannot see the backlighting expect when the black screensaver kicks on.
Text is VERY sharp and clear (using DVI-D cable). Much sharper/clearer than my CRT.
Color rendition is great as well. I have not checked this thoroughly in Photoshop, but the colors seems very vibrant and "punchy". This is on default settings.
No ghosting at all. I played NFS:MW and didn't notice any ghosting whatsoever.
Price is VERY reasonable for this quality. I paid $394 (before taxes/after rebate) for this most excellent monitor.
This monitor is a keeper given its quality and overall value.
CONs:

No pivot mode or height adjustment. I suppose you could buy an Ergo-tron flex arm and rotation software to make this work. This is NOT important to me, as my desk hutch prevents me from a orienting any monitor in portrait mode or raising the monitor much higher. No big deal for my needs.
Scaling? I am not too sure on this as I have not thoroughly tested this. I have not yet detemined if I can make games run in a windowed mode at lower resolutions (i..e 1024x768 with black bars around it). Anything in non-native resolution seems to get stretched across the monitor. I've had to hack my games to get them to native res (BF2, NFS:MW, LOTR:BFME2)
Sparkliness. Hard to describe, but some colors have a bit of sparkle to them. Seems to be caused by the glarescreen layer in front of the LCD pixel panel. Not a deal-breaker, just something to note that may affect the overall image quality for still photos. I do not notice this in games or videos.
Additional investment may be required. Not sure if my ATI X800XT will be able to keep up with all the great games I will soon want to play (ES: Oblivion, Crysis, etc.) Being that I have not made the leap to PCI-E, this great new monitor may force earlier upgrade plans to better achieve this high res with better FPS rates.
In summary, I find this to be an excellent monitor for the money. Highly recommended for those gamers sitting on the fence with CRT. I like the clarity of this monitor for everyday desktop usage (web surfing, text apps, etc.) and games look great as well. Nice upgrade to any existing CRT-based PC rig.

My PC Rig specs:

Intel 2.8Ghz Pentium IV (OC's to 3.2Ghz)
2Gb Corsair XMS RAM
Asus P4P800 mobo
ATI AIW X800XT (Omega drivers)
WD 180Gb HD; Maxtor 120Gb HD
Lite-On DVD-RW drive, Lite-On CD-RW drive
Saitek Eclipse keyboard
Logitech MX1000 mouse
Nostromo n52 Speedpad
and now... Viewsonic VX2025wm LCD widescreen monitor

[Nephandus]

I agree with the Sparkliness comment above...whites are really sparkly..It doesn't bother me much, but some people may find it unacceptable

BTW, has anyone tried to force 75hz refresh on this monitor yet?

[sanitystream]

Scaling? I am not too sure on this as I have not thoroughly tested this. I have not yet detemined if I can make games run in a windowed mode at lower resolutions (i..e 1024x768 with black bars around it). Anything in non-native resolution seems to get stretched across the monitor. I've had to hack my games to get them to native res (BF2, NFS:MW, LOTR:BFME2)


No, the Viewsonic does not scale non-native resolutions. It just stretches all images to fit the whole screen, no letterboxing is done. This means you need to play your games in the proper aspect ratio modes (like 1280x768, 1650x1050, etc.) to avoid distortion.

[sparks]

HoodooGuru please let me know about the resolutions and your video card.
Things like BF2 if you think the card is fast enough at this res and what settings
you are doing in game...some friends are running low on almost all settings and
feel that its not much different than high..nothing in game I would notice...lying there
dirt color looks the same LOL

I have an x800xl agp on a high oc system....I guess I am waiting for conroe
before I upgrade the video.

[HoodooGuru]

HoodooGuru please let me know about the resolutions and your video card.
Things like BF2 if you think the card is fast enough at this res and what settings
you are doing in game...some friends are running low on almost all settings and
feel that its not much different than high..nothing in game I would notice...lying there
dirt color looks the same LOL

I have an x800xl agp on a high oc system....I guess I am waiting for conroe
before I upgrade the video.
I have not yet played BF2 with this... I just set it up to run and haven't yet found the time to play it. I will in the next few days, so I'll report my findings here. I, too, would like to wait on upgrading my mobo and vidcard, but the game requirement may force my hand (wallet) earlier than expected... ;)

[DangerIsGo]

I dont know if its been mentioned before but the VA712b, although not widescreen and as large and nice as this, suffered from image persistance. If i were to upgrade to this one, does it suffer like the va712b from image persistance? Have you noticed anything of that sort yet? What has been your longest time w/ one image in the same place?

[jcll2002]

Noooo!!!! I Hate Sparkles

[WickedWeasel]

Windows Media Play 6.4

If I play a movie that is 4:3 ratio, and I select Media Player to VIEW FULL SCREEN, will it fill the entire screen and be stretched, or will it show black bars on both sides and retain the 4:3 ratio?

[jekyll917]

I purchased the Viewsonic VX2025wm last Friday and finally got the chance to fire it up. Coming from a solid 19" Dell CRT, my intial impressions are:

PROs:

Great looking monitor. Blends well with my Saitech keyboard and MX1000 mouse.
Image quality is EXCELLENT. I have ZERO dead pixels (verified with Dead Pixel Buddy) and almost no backlighting. I really cannot see the backlighting expect when the black screensaver kicks on.
Text is VERY sharp and clear (using DVI-D cable). Much sharper/clearer than my CRT.
Color rendition is great as well. I have not checked this thoroughly in Photoshop, but the colors seems very vibrant and "punchy". This is on default settings.
No ghosting at all. I played NFS:MW and didn't notice any ghosting whatsoever.
Price is VERY reasonable for this quality. I paid $394 (before taxes/after rebate) for this most excellent monitor.
This monitor is a keeper given its quality and overall value.
CONs:

No pivot mode or height adjustment. I suppose you could buy an Ergo-tron flex arm and rotation software to make this work. This is NOT important to me, as my desk hutch prevents me from a orienting any monitor in portrait mode or raising the monitor much higher. No big deal for my needs.
Scaling? I am not too sure on this as I have not thoroughly tested this. I have not yet detemined if I can make games run in a windowed mode at lower resolutions (i..e 1024x768 with black bars around it). Anything in non-native resolution seems to get stretched across the monitor. I've had to hack my games to get them to native res (BF2, NFS:MW, LOTR:BFME2)
Sparkliness. Hard to describe, but some colors have a bit of sparkle to them. Seems to be caused by the glarescreen layer in front of the LCD pixel panel. Not a deal-breaker, just something to note that may affect the overall image quality for still photos. I do not notice this in games or videos.
Additional investment may be required. Not sure if my ATI X800XT will be able to keep up with all the great games I will soon want to play (ES: Oblivion, Crysis, etc.) Being that I have not made the leap to PCI-E, this great new monitor may force earlier upgrade plans to better achieve this high res with better FPS rates.
In summary, I find this to be an excellent monitor for the money. Highly recommended for those gamers sitting on the fence with CRT. I like the clarity of this monitor for everyday desktop usage (web surfing, text apps, etc.) and games look great as well. Nice upgrade to any existing CRT-based PC rig.

My PC Rig specs:

Intel 2.8Ghz Pentium IV (OC's to 3.2Ghz)
2Gb Corsair XMS RAM
Asus P4P800 mobo
ATI AIW X800XT (Omega drivers)
WD 180Gb HD; Maxtor 120Gb HD
Lite-On DVD-RW drive, Lite-On CD-RW drive
Saitek Eclipse keyboard
Logitech MX1000 mouse
Nostromo n52 Speedpad
and now... Viewsonic VX2025wm LCD widescreen monitor

Many thanks for your input, man! My spec is close to yours except I'm running a 9800pro 128M..otherwise, I'm also having a P4 2.8c with 1G RAM...Now for me I'm planning to upgrade my AGP card to 7800GS now...really wish the vx2025wm can do scaling...

[Nephandus]

Another thing i've noticed, at least to my eyes, that text, especially white text, seems a little off, like blurry or something. Almost like theres' a sort of purplish glow over it. I"m starting to think it's the antiglare coating doing it. I have it set to cleartype, it makes it a little better. Anyone comment on this? Suggestions? Using the supplied DVI cable. Brightness is on 30, Contrast at 70 gamma at .83

[HoodooGuru]

Windows Media Play 6.4

If I play a movie that is 4:3 ratio, and I select Media Player to VIEW FULL SCREEN, will it fill the entire screen and be stretched, or will it show black bars on both sides and retain the 4:3 ratio?
I'm using Windows Media Playter 10. For movies in 4:3 ratio, it shows black bars on both sides and retains the original 4:3 ratio...

Have yet to try my HD WMV movies...

[jekyll917]

I'm using Windows Media Playter 10. For movies in 4:3 ratio, it shows black bars on both sides and retains the original 4:3 ratio...

Have yet to try my HD WMV movies...
Oh really, so you DO mean it can scale....? How is it in the game....? Many said that it cannot scale...

[Deezus]

I'm pretty sure it won't scale in games, at least I haven't figured out a way to do it yet.
So.. you'll need a pretty beefy video card to get the most out of games while playing at 1680x1050.
You CAN play at different resolutions, but it likes to stretch it to fit.

[Voltron]

I actually decided to keep my 2025. It grew on me as soon as I found some games that supported WS. :D

.. That and gave me a reason to build a new rig. ;)

[HoodooGuru]

For my setting, I have Digital Vibrance almost between the first two dots; Brightness I left at the default setting (100%); Contrast at 115%; Gamma at 0.91; Image Sharpening all the way to the left.

But that's just me and my personal preference.
Are you guys connected via DVI or VGA? I cannot access that manual settings menu with the Digital Vibrance & Image shapening selections. The PDF manual states this is unavailable when running DVI (vs. VGA).

[HoodooGuru]

Oh really, so you DO mean it can scale....? How is it in the game....? Many said that it cannot scale...I broke down and bought ES: Oblivion. Looks frickin awesome at native resolution, and I am NOT having any problems with my FPS! My specs are pretty modest compared to other beefy rigs out there. I certainly don't have many setting cranked up (i.e. AA, draw distance, etc.), but it looks so good at 1680x1050 that I don't feel I'm missing much.

Also, I played BF2. Looks great as well, though BF2 has totally nerfed true support for true widescreen (no proper FOV at 1680x1050). But, I have to say it DOES make it a more immersive experience filling your peripheral vision with more screen and action.

[HoodooGuru]

I actually decided to keep my 2025. It grew on me as soon as I found some games that supported WS. :D

.. That and gave me a reason to build a new rig. ;)
Damn, now that I'm at 1680x1050, my wallet is crying out for an new X1900XT... which also means a new MOBO and CPU... :eek:

[Voltron]

Exactly. I had to upgrade my old pc but there was SO much to upgrade, it turned into me just building a new one. I guess that's what happens when u wait 3 years to update. :o

[jekyll917]

I broke down and bought ES: Oblivion. Looks frickin awesome at native resolution, and I am NOT having any problems with my FPS! My specs are pretty modest compared to other beefy rigs out there. I certainly don't have many setting cranked up (i.e. AA, draw distance, etc.), but it looks so good at 1680x1050 that I don't feel I'm missing much.

Also, I played BF2. Looks great as well, though BF2 has totally nerfed true support for true widescreen (no proper FOV at 1680x1050). But, I have to say it DOES make it a more immersive experience filling your peripheral vision with more screen and action.
Many thanks for your nice input!! Now I know what I have to do...buy a decent vid card and then wait for the down-price for this monitor.... :cool:

[sparks]

I guess what is really keeping me from buying is it can't re-scale images
if it did this would be at my house tonight

the gateway does Zoom,Wide,and 1:1
but it has toooo many down sides..

is there a 20 or 21" that has all the good points and none of the bad?


sparks

[dtos01]

I guess what is really keeping me from buying is it can't re-scale images
if it did this would be at my house tonight

the gateway does Zoom,Wide,and 1:1
but it has toooo many down sides..

is there a 20 or 21" that has all the good points and none of the bad?


sparks

What about the new Samsung 215TW? I'm trying to find more info on it.

[Deezus]

The only thing it doesn't scale is games. If your refering to images as picture and movies, it can scale those fine. Might have to monkey with the display properties or the setting in the video player your using, but it can do it.

[Nephandus]

well, my wife was playing The Sims (yes, I know) last night...and when i went in there to talk to her for a second, i noticed the game was playing with black bars on the sides..so i made her move obviously and went and checked the resolution, and it was at 1024x768. The image was not stretched, there were black bars on the sides...it looked rather good actually. The only thing i can think of is that in the Nvidia Driver panel i changed scaling to Fixed Aspect Ratio...I am at work right now, but when i get home tonight I will try to post some pics to confirm this. Now hopefully I wasn't just on last night and it still works tonight.

[Mangavin]

well, my wife was playing The Sims (yes, I know) last night...the game was playing with black bars on the sides...

I'm so happy to hear that.... Hope you will able ti give A LOT of screenshots
:D

Thanks a lot for the time you will take. ;)

[sparks]

oh man I hope hope hope....Nephandus hope to hear more

ps on a site I was on several people were talking about HIDDEN
screen menus on a lot of the LCD monitors.
wonder if this one has one with some options on display settings.
Zoom,Wide,and 1:1

have to get home and check and see...do the ATI drivers have an aspect ratio lock or something?

how is BB on exchanges for dead pixels :)

ok enough joking

egg....
Price -$415.99
Shipping -$9.99 flat three day shipping
cheapest by far.
missed the amazon $320


sparks

[Nephandus]

well i don't get off work for 6 more hours...keep in mind I didn't try any other games, just The Sims...I even changed it to 1600x900 which is the max res in the options for that game and it still kept black bars on top and bottom and didn't distort the image at all...Anyone with an Nvidia card want to try this...just go into your driver menu, and find scaling options..mine was on Monitor Scaling by default..just click Fixed Aspect Ratio. and try it out...hopefully it works

[sanitystream]

I guess what is really keeping me from buying is it can't re-scale images
if it did this would be at my house tonight

the gateway does Zoom,Wide,and 1:1
but it has toooo many down sides..

is there a 20 or 21" that has all the good points and none of the bad?
sparks


I suspect it will be the Dell 2007. It should have th re-scaling ability the Viewsonic lacks. Hopefully it won't backlight-bleed the way the 2005 did.

[DrDoug]

Well, brown stopped their camel in front of my house and delivered my VX2025wm from Datavision today. The box looks like the camel stepped on it a few times, but the monitor looks like it survived ok. I did have a bit of a heart stopping moment when I unwrapped the monitor and I saw a wavy screen with a divot in the plastic. I then saw that this was caused by the clear plastic sheet over the screen (whew!). The screen itself looks immaculate, but I will find out for sure later tonight when I plug it in and start to test it.

The first part of my review will be on the process I went through at Datavision. This is because I feel that the process is important in considering not only what to purchase, but who to purchase it from.

I checked for the lowest price and Datavision was the one at that time. $449.00 + $29.00 for shipping, and with a $100.00 rebate direct from Viewsonic. I checked out Datavisions ratings, and while not great there were some success stories too. As I was using a credit card to get it, I decided to take the risk and give Datavision a chance. I noted that the item was in stock, and even took a screen capture to show that. I placed the order on March 9th (right after midnight EST), and I got a confirmation almost immediately. It showed that the item was in stock and that I would get an email after it had shipped, with details. Great! Or so I thought.

When I had not received an email by Tuesday the 14th, I called to check on the order. The salesperson was not outright rude, but they were very abrupt and clipped in their responses. I was polite as I know that sales people usually have to endure some nasty abuse at times, and I had no reason to be nasty. Especially when he told me that the order had been shipped on Monday. Great! I asked for the tracking number, and I was told to check the order status on their web site. Ok.

So I go to the web site, and there is no info. The status was 'N', and there was no indication that it had been shipped. So I figured that it had not been updated yet. I waited until late Wednesday, but no change. So I called Datavision that evening and I was told to call back when sales was open. They could take an order, but they could not give any order info. Ok.

So I called back Thursday morning, and the person who helped me was very pleasant. That was nice compared to the first call. I asked about the order, and I was told that they were out of stock, and would be unable to ship until the next shipment came in. Not ok. But I remained VERY polite. I told them that I had been told that it had been shipped, and the salesperson politely said they could not believe that. I told them that it was a fact, and I have no reason to state otherwise. I even told them of the screen capture of the order and that it was advertised as in stock. Oh well, nothing will change the current facts. So I told them that I was in no particular hurry, as long as the order was processed and shipped in time for me to take advantage of the rebate. They assured me of that, so I kept the order.

Later, I emailed Datavision (1 of three in total, with no responses) and told them of my disappointment with the events. I stayed VERY polite, and told them that although I would keep my order, that offer was only good until the 24th as I was concerned that the monitor would not get here in time to send out the rebate. One side note, the order was placed the 9th, the rebate ad at Datavision said that the order had to be placed by the 18th to get the rebate. But the rebate says that it is good for purchases from March 5th through April 4th. And the invoice says that the order was placed on the 21st. I better get that rebate of I will contact our state's attorney general consumer protection division about it. Here in Oregon, they do not like out of state companies screwing over their constituents. I had a problem with Canon a few years ago, and their office stepped in and read Canon the riot act. The problem was quickly resolved, properly.

Well, the email went out with no response, but I got an email on the 20th stating that the order would ship in the next 24 to 48 hours. Great! So now the monitor is here, and I will review it soon. Was this experience worth it? Well, if the monitor works fine and I get the rebate, yes. Would I place an order with Datavision again? Probably not. I can not say absolutely not (yet), and I may never say it. But I can tell you that I would conduct the whole order over the phone, not the internet. If they can not keep their site up to date, it is little more than an advertisement for a price.

I will be back with the monitor review soon! It sure looks nice, and I hope it works as good as it looks!

[jcll2002]

well, now i know where not to buy from ;)

[blank]

man i'm steaming, i missed that 100 dollar rebate. i'll have to wait for the next one =(

[Nephandus]

As far as the scaling goes, here is what i am talking about with the nvidia control panel setting it to fixed aspect ratio...I"m not sure if it is scaling accurately, since even in 1024x768, it did not have any horizontal black bars, and it seems to me like it should have..but there are bars on the sides...

Oblivion @1680x1050
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8560/obwide8vz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Oblivion @1280x1024
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6352/ob12x102vt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

and at 1024x768
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9245/ob10x78uh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jedicri]

Are you guys connected via DVI or VGA? I cannot access that manual settings menu with the Digital Vibrance & Image shapening selections. The PDF manual states this is unavailable when running DVI (vs. VGA).

I'm DVI connected.

The settings I referred to and to which you quoted is found on my Nvidia control panel and is accessed by right-clicking on my desktop (among other ways); then choosing 'Color Correction'.

[borez]

For those who are using ATI Cats (I'm basing this on my experience with the Mobility versions), there seems to be this option called "Use Center Timings" that seems to be it.

However, I do not have the monitor to test it out.

Some curious questions: If there's no internal scaling in the monitor, then how does it display those screens with really low resolutions (and there is no driver support), ie BIOS, DOS enviroment etc...?

[DrDoug]

It scales the DOS & boot screens (just plugged mine in!). One question if I may. I am running the latest Omega drivers on my ATI 9800 XT 256 and I have a 21" Sony CPD-G500 CRT. I can switch which display is primary, and extend the desktop either way too. I have all of the Advanced Display Settings (all of the ATI tabbed stuff) on the Sony, but only five basic tabs under Advanced on the LCD. Is this right?

I look in the Omega stuff, and it recognizes the Sony, but not the LCD. But it works fine other than that. Should I boot up with only the LCD on it first? Or should I reinstall the Omega drivers? Or is this the way it is.

Thanks for any and all help! :)

[jekyll917]

@Nephandus:
Thanks for your pictures! Convinced me to buy that monitor...before that I'll order my 7800GS AGP What spec you're on?

[Nephandus]

I"m on a 6800GT pci-x 2gb of ram...I can run oblivion at 1680x1050 with most of the settings turned up, some at medium..there's certain areas that it chugs pretty hard though..it's a really nice monitor, you'll enjoy it

[HoodooGuru]

I"m on a 6800GT pci-x 2gb of ram...I can run oblivion at 1680x1050 with most of the settings turned up, some at medium..there's certain areas that it chugs pretty hard though..it's a really nice monitor, you'll enjoy it
Same experience for me on an ATI AIW X800XT. Not getting any sleep (bad) because of Oblivion (good). This monitor makes it even better...

[jekyll917]

Thanks Nephandus & HoodooGuru. Just ordered 7800GS AGP to replace my old 9800pro 128M, hope it will make big difference playing with mine old P4 2.8C..
Thanks for all the amazing pictures! :)

[sparks]

Nephandus are the black bars something you had to do
or did the monitor just scale the 1024 size for you?


OK everyone is Oblivion .
single player or online?
HOW ABOUT some action scenes LOL
looks like rodger rabbits trip to walmart.

sparks

[Deezus]

Well, brown stopped their camel in front of my house and delivered my VX2025wm from Datavision today. ......

Dude, I'm not going to say this to rub it in as I hate getting treated like that from online stores.. But.. I would rather pay a few bucks more with Newegg and KNOW that I will be treated right. Hearing stories like that make me glad I rarely ever stray from using them for my computer needs. Sorry for your trauma and hope the monitor works out for ya at least. :)


Sparks, He says in his post how he got it to work. And it's a single player game only... and a great one at that. ;)

[sparks]

Deezus I went right by that...read it twice and missed it both times
"setting it to fixed aspect ratio"

thanks for pointing that out

sparks

[Nephandus]

There's another option in Nvidia control panel called Centered Timing, pry like the same thing borez was talking about a couple posts up...I like the fixed aspect ratio option better, using centered output 1024x768 is much to small for me on centered timing..Here's some pics on Centered timing:

Oblivion @1024x768
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4653/obcent10x72us.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

@1280x1024
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/1902/obcent12x109ln.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

@1600x900
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5812/obcent16x97zn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Deezus]

That 1600X900 doesn't look to shabby at all. So much extra tweaking I have been wanting to try out, but with school full time, work full time, consulting part time and fitting the family time in there, I hardly ever have free time!.. so I'm glad people like you have tried it out for us all! Thanks.

I want to crank the settings up higher then I can with the res at 1680X1050 with my current hardware and I think that 16X9 might help out alot.

Sparks- No worries, I just didn't want to come across as someone like "RTFM!", when you can just say, look a little closer. :)

[sparks]

Hey you can not offend me I am just thankfull that you pointed it out.
Next time take a pic and circle it....I aint to swoft LOL

sparks

[Mangavin]

As far as the scaling goes, here is what i am talking about with the nvidia control panel setting it to fixed aspect ratio...

Thanks a lot Nephandus, it was the big negative point which despaired me, and force to prefer the VX922.... :(

Now this issue is gone. :D

For all. What about the size of the text for the web or Word for example... Is it enough big to not be exhaustive??? :confused: .... I now I can enlarge the size, then is it nice as result???

Maybe little VX2025wm....you will be mine !!

Sorry for my english :p

[Nephandus]

Text is pretty damn small at native res..and for me sometimes it can be annoying because there seems to be like a purplish glow around it, especially on white text against black or vice versa..I didn't know you could enlarge the text. could someone share that with me, i am not sure how.

Glad I could help everyone out with those pics

[Deezus]

Ya know, I haven't used word yet with the WS, I've done some CAD work and that wasen't too bad.. Of course I'm not at home and can't check it out. No guarantees I will remember, but I will try it out when I get home and post what I find out. Someone feel free to do it before me though because I know I will forget. ;)

[KompressorV12]

awesome pictures but just a few quick questions

can some with this monitor get all of the dimensions for me, LxWxHxD with the height of the display and also the height from the stand to the top of the display

is there a big difference between DVI-D and VGA, can someone test it out by using VGA then DVI (would be interesting to know)

is there anyway to hookup an xbox360 to this monitor and play in HD? (I have a 7900GT with HD connections, so how would that work, would I plug the xbox 360 into my video card using the HD connections then my video card processes it and plays it on my monitor? all this stuff confuses me)

thanks in advance!

[killedaway]

is there anyway to hookup an xbox360 to this monitor and play in HD? (I have a 7900GT with HD connections, so how would that work, would I plug the xbox 360 into my video card using the HD connections then my video card processes it and plays it on my monitor? all this stuff confuses me!)you can connect your 360 to this monitor using a 360 VGA cable (Microsoft sells one that you can buy just about anywhere -- there are also 3rd party cables available for less money, i've seen them online and in a few B&M stores). as for the vid card thing, that won't work. the 7900GT doesn't have "vivo", so you won't be sending it anything. stick with the 360 cable and you're all set.

regarding VGA vs. DVI, i believe it is generally accepted that DVI displays a more accurate image in most cases, ranging from a little to a lot. i think it's actually been mentioned in this very thread already. keep in mind, people can test them, but if you're wanting pictures, i don't think you'll be able to tell the difference unless you're looking at the monitor in person.

[Mangavin]

Glad I could help everyone out with those pics
;)

Text is pretty damn small at native res..

With this pic (all in french)... There is the option to incrase or reduce the font.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7246/police9bg.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=police9bg.jpg)

[KompressorV12]

you can connect your 360 to this monitor using a 360 VGA cable (Microsoft sells one that you can buy just about anywhere -- there are also 3rd party cables available for less money, i've seen them online and in a few B&M stores). as for the vid card thing, that won't work. the 7900GT doesn't have "vivo", so you won't be sending it anything. stick with the 360 cable and you're all set.

regarding VGA vs. DVI, i believe it is generally accepted that DVI displays a more accurate image in most cases, ranging from a little to a lot. i think it's actually been mentioned in this very thread already. keep in mind, people can test them, but if you're wanting pictures, i don't think you'll be able to tell the difference unless you're looking at the monitor in person.

yup I just read up about the VGA cable and it sucks because I upgraded from a 7800GT to a 7900GT and lost VIVO, but i'm assuming (my assumptions have been dead wrong today) vivo used svideo and video not component connections, you can only output HD signals with these cards, w/e I guess I will be buying a VGA

another quick question, is there a DVI cable for the x360, I know microsoft doesn't make one, maybe a 3rd party?

[Nephandus]

;)


With this pic (all in french)... There is the option to incrase or reduce the font.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7246/police9bg.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=police9bg.jpg)

thanks, i'll try to puzzle that out

[HoodooGuru]

In English:


http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3170/fontsizing9ju.jpg

[Ladic]

;)


With this pic (all in french)... There is the option to incrase or reduce the font.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7246/police9bg.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=police9bg.jpg)

how do u make your deskop look like that? and where can i download it?

[Mangavin]

how do u make your deskop look like that? and where can i download it?

The picture was taken from a Manga cartoon and the dock from
Brico Pack Vista Inspirat (http://www.crystalxp.net/bricopack/en.htm) :D

[Ladic]

downloaded it, installed and it made my pc slower :(

[WickedWeasel]

Is the 1:1 Scaling feature only availalbe on Nvidia cards? Is that same feature available on an ATI card, X1900?

[Nephandus]

Try Centered Timing in the ATI panel..I'm pretty sure i saw someone say that was the ATI equivalent

[Power and Glory]

I have heard a couple people mention the small text. Can someone post a pic of how small you are talking about? Also does the small text transfer into games?

I am looking into potentiallly buying this monitor so this has me a little curious.

[HoodooGuru]

[QUOTE=Power and Glory] Also does the small text transfer into games?[QUOTE]

No. In fact, the text in Oblivion is almost TOO big on my VX2025wm...

[killedaway]

yup I just read up about the VGA cable and it sucks because I upgraded from a 7800GT to a 7900GT and lost VIVO, but i'm assuming (my assumptions have been dead wrong today) vivo used svideo and video not component connections, you can only output HD signals with these cardswell, my 7900GT can definitely output S-video. i hooked it up to my TV that way on the first day i got it, and messed around a little, to see if it worked, and it did.


another quick question, is there a DVI cable for the x360, I know microsoft doesn't make one, maybe a 3rd party?i've searched for this but come up empty. seems like something you could "smelt" (silly word usage of the day) yourself if you were to use an adapter of some kind, but i've not investigated this idea much myself.

[killedaway]

No. In fact, the text in Oblivion is almost TOO big on my VX2025wm...agreed. it makes the text seem kinda goony, like playing an old NES game with that standard blocky text.

EDIT: by the way, mine just came in this afternoon and it's absolutely gorgeous. not a dead pixel to be found, and the picture quality is quite high. i'll miss my old 17" CRT, but not for long. i can live with the shortcomings to do away with the weight, size, and hideous power consumption of my old display. not to mention the clarity of text (i was already spoiled by my laptop, but now i can enjoy the same sharpness on my desktop).

[jekyll917]

how do u make your deskop look like that? and where can i download it?
That bar can be achived by running RK Launcher or Object dock...You could get more info at Aqua-soft. Just google its address. It's a windows macstyle customize site...

[scottyk87]

Just got a Viewsonic VX2025wm from frys electronics. It was $500 with a $100 viewsonic mail in rebate. Works great.

Oblivion at max settings @ 1680x1050 on my evga 7800gt kills my fps a lot. I turned off hdr and AA and I get decent framerates 30+ depending on where I am. Hopefully the evga 7900gtx superclocked i am in the queue for will help some once I get it.

Overall very pleased with this lcd.

[blank]

the 100 dollar rebated ended on the 25th?

[tautitan]

Hi

I just bought a VX2025 from www.overclockers.co.uk here in the Uk based on the glowing reviews it got here and have to say im mighty impressed. I paid £340 for mine which seems over the odds compared to the USA. Anyways on to the issue; I have tried the centered timings option on my ATi X1800XL but it still seems to stretch the display. Anyone else with an ATi card managed to get this working yet because i recently started playing FFVII again and the resolution doesnt look to good in widescreen at 640x480 lol

Regards, Matt

[sanitystream]

agreed. it makes the text seem kinda goony, like playing an old NES game with that standard blocky text.

LOL, what is up with the stupid font in Oblivion? It's such a state of the art game in every other respect, but the first time I saw that text I had flashbacks to playing low-res dungeon games in my old Atari 800 days.

[scottyk87]

the 100 dollar rebated ended on the 25th?
Yes, I believe it did.

[HoodooGuru]

Hi

I just bought a VX2025 from www.overclockers.co.uk (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/) here in the Uk based on the glowing reviews it got here and have to say im mighty impressed. I paid £340 for mine which seems over the odds compared to the USA. Anyways on to the issue; I have tried the centered timings option on my ATi X1800XL but it still seems to stretch the display. Anyone else with an ATi card managed to get this working yet because i recently started playing FFVII again and the resolution doesnt look to good in widescreen at 640x480 lol

Regards, MattI too tried this on mine to no avail. Seems dependent on the app- some games don't do it whereas Windows Media player does. The option in my ATI Omega driver is called "Scale Image to panel size" found in Display Properties...Advanced Settings... Displays tab.

[Nephandus]

go nvidia!!

[Dillusion]

Hi

I just bought a VX2025 from www.overclockers.co.uk here in the Uk based on the glowing reviews it got here and have to say im mighty impressed. I paid £340 for mine which seems over the odds compared to the USA. Anyways on to the issue; I have tried the centered timings option on my ATi X1800XL but it still seems to stretch the display. Anyone else with an ATi card managed to get this working yet because i recently started playing FFVII again and the resolution doesnt look to good in widescreen at 640x480 lol

Regards, Matt

im using an X1800XL and i have this lcd. it plays BF2 just fine with the shortcut res fix to force it...

[Ripped85]

I'm leaning way towards this monitor now...only thing is the height adjustment...i like that flex stand..is there one that offers high adjustment too?

[tautitan]

im using an X1800XL and i have this lcd. it plays BF2 just fine with the shortcut res fix to force it...

So you can play BF2 with the black bars round the edge when u change the res to something like 1024x768?

[Nephandus]

So you can play BF2 with the black bars round the edge when u change the res to something like 1024x768?


If you have an nvidia card, you can go to driver options and click Fixed Aspect Ratio, thsi will scale so that there are black bars on the sides

[Power and Glory]

What kind of framerates kind I expect with this monitor playing at it's native resolution 1680x1050? How does Oblivion and Fear run at that resolution?

In other words do I need the very top of the line parts to have my games run well at that resolution? I really like what I am hearing about this LCD, but not sure if it will be a waste of money for me if the framerates are going to be poor.

I know you can change the resolution and have it scale properly with a Nvidia card, but I'm not going to plunk $400+ on something to run games at 1024x768.

I am upgrading my computer in the early summer anyway, but I want to see how far I have to upgrade to make sure my games run well at 1680x1050 :D

[Jodiuh]

What kind of framerates kind I expect with this monitor playing at it's native resolution 1680x1050? How does Oblivion and Fear run at that resolution?

While I do not have this monitor, I'm gaming at that res. With the rig in sig, I have to turn some stuffs down in both games. Mainly AA, but it's "barely" getting by with max details. I'm doing my best to single card it, but Oblivion and the upcoming 2407 are making that hard. :(

[buzzfunk]

woa...so i finally after all these years got my lcd for gaming. Im so sick and tired of the boring crts and my sony is starting to just look old and once u play 360 games on a widescreen theres just not turning back to the regular square tube...

Already have a big plasma hooked up to my 360 so that wasnt even an issue.

Frys here in Burbank has it for $399 with a $100 rebate only valid til tonight. So if you around in the area, you got an hour left. Hurry.

[DigitalEdge]

woa...so i finally after all these years got my lcd for gaming. Im so sick and tired of the boring crts and my sony is starting to just look old and once u play 360 games on a widescreen theres just not turning back to the regular square tube...

Already have a big plasma hooked up to my 360 so that wasnt even an issue.

Frys here in Burbank has it for $399 with a $100 rebate only valid til tonight. So if you around in the area, you got an hour left. Hurry.

Do you mean $399 after a $100 rebate?

[killedaway]

Do you mean $399 after a $100 rebate?while that price might be wrong, i bought mine from Amazon.com a week or two ago for $339.95 new with no rebates, so it's not outside the realm of possibilities.

[Dillusion]

So you can play BF2 with the black bars round the edge when u change the res to something like 1024x768?

I dont play at 1024, i always play at my monitors native res.

[jedicri]

What kind of framerates kind I expect with this monitor playing at it's native resolution 1680x1050? How does Oblivion and Fear run at that resolution?

In other words do I need the very top of the line parts to have my games run well at that resolution? I really like what I am hearing about this LCD, but not sure if it will be a waste of money for me if the framerates are going to be poor.

I know you can change the resolution and have it scale properly with a Nvidia card, but I'm not going to plunk $400+ on something to run games at 1024x768.

I am upgrading my computer in the early summer anyway, but I want to see how far I have to upgrade to make sure my games run well at 1680x1050 :D

If you're going to upgrade your computer to play the latest games, you might as well get a widescreen 20" LCD and you won't be sorry that you got this particular model and make. I'm not. Most games nowadays have widescreen support and more developers will continue this trend; Oblivion is no exception; the Tomb Raider: Legend demo also has the option of playing in widescreen. If you have the latest video card to back your CPU and at least 1 gig of RAM, I'd personally say it's a worthy investment.

[sgrush]

I bought this monitor last week at buy.com. I have not been able to get the DVI to work. I've tried both nvidia 6800 and nvidia quadro 4. Is anybody else having problems getting the DVI to work?

[FS Effects]

since this monitor is not hdcp compliant. when blu-ray and hd-dvd drive comes, do you guys thiink there will device or hardware that can bypass this hdcp so you can view hd movies on this viewsonic monitor without having to replace it with another hdcp monitor?

[Sent]

I just bought this monitor from Fry's and I have no problems with it at all on my 6800GT, DVI works fine.

No pictures but I do have a widescreen screenshot of me playing GW :)

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/8779/ws13wa.jpg

[DigitalEdge]

since this monitor is not hdcp compliant. when blu-ray and hd-dvd drive comes, do you guys thiink there will device or hardware that can bypass this hdcp so you can view hd movies on this viewsonic monitor without having to replace it with another hdcp monitor?

I would say prob not.
Not planing on watching hd dvd on my computer, I have a HD TV for that ;)

[rj2]

how far away are people sitting away from the monitor.i am looking at getting one.i sit approx 3 feet from the monitor
i use a 17" lcd right now and my eyes are about even with the top of the screen.is it possible the 20.1 lcd would be too big for my particular desk-setup,which is a corner unit

[jcll2002]

woa...so i finally after all these years got my lcd for gaming. Im so sick and tired of the boring crts and my sony is starting to just look old and once u play 360 games on a widescreen theres just not turning back to the regular square tube...

Already have a big plasma hooked up to my 360 so that wasnt even an issue.

Frys here in Burbank has it for $399 with a $100 rebate only valid til tonight. So if you around in the area, you got an hour left. Hurry.
wow, i ive next to burbank. Im too late :(

[wonkman]

since this monitor is not hdcp compliant. when blu-ray and hd-dvd drive comes, do you guys thiink there will device or hardware that can bypass this hdcp so you can view hd movies on this viewsonic monitor without having to replace it with another hdcp monitor?

Don't worry about HDCP. Even though BR and HD-DVD will be out later this year, major studios have said that they are not going to use HDCP until many, many people own HDCP capable monitors/TVs (couple of years at least).

[tautitan]

Don't worry about HDCP. Even though BR and HD-DVD will be out later this year, major studios have said that they are not going to use HDCP until many, many people own HDCP capable monitors/TVs (couple of years at least).

I agree, don't let the lack of HDCP support put you off this is a damn fine monitor. I did hear of a device that bypassed the HDCP, that or decrypted it before it got to the monitor anyways, ill try to dig out the link from somewhere.

[FS Effects]

Don't worry about HDCP. Even though BR and HD-DVD will be out later this year, major studios have said that they are not going to use HDCP until many, many people own HDCP capable monitors/TVs (couple of years at least).
??? are you saying the first generation blu-ray , hd-dvd drives are free of HDCP? and as it progresses they will imply HDCP on second gen drives?

when did the Viewsonic VX2025wm first came out?

[wonkman]

??? are you saying the first generation blu-ray , hd-dvd drives are free of HDCP? and as it progresses they will imply HDCP on second gen drives?

when did the Viewsonic VX2025wm first came out?

No. HDCP is in the BR and HD standards but the companies that produce the content can choose whether they use it or not on any given video release. Its a flag on the disk that determines whether HDCP is "on", not the player.

If the flag is "on", then you will need all HDCP compliant equipment to play HD resolution.

[buzzfunk]

I have to say im pretty impressed with this lcd. Widescreen gaming is worth giving up the still yet to be matched specs from crts...and i got this for $399 (rebate) at Frys. ;) Pretty sweet deal....

[DrDoug]

I have to say I am impressed with this monitor too! I was worried about picture quality for both gaming and video editing, and before this I felt that I would have to compromise one way or another if I went with an LCD.

While using Premiere Pro 2, viewing of the editing process is flawless. I can't say anything more than that! DVD playback (and other media) looks great too. Gaming is beautiful, Quake 3 & 4, SSFE, SSSE, Until Uru, Max Payne I & II, Matrix and my other games (the ones I have modded for WS so far!) look perfect! The usual quirks in the limitations of modding some games for WS, but that can't be helped. The picture quality is stunning. Thanks for starting this thread as it played a big part in my decision to purchase this display. Nothing like getting the hands on opinion of people who like quality gear! :cool:

I use the speakers in it only for my motherboard voice message system, so the tinny speakers do not matter to me. Height adjustment would be nice, but not absolutely necessary. I have tested the display and have no stuck or dead pixels either! We use this computer daily in the administration of and playing on our Until Uru game server, and my wife loves this over our Sony 21" CPD-G500.

She is happy, I am happy and if I get my $100.00 rebate from ViewSonic, this will be the perfect deal (as far as I am concerned!). $378.00 is a more than fair price for this setup!

Good job with the thread people! http://www.hardforum.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[prolog788]

Just bought this monitor, and I can say that I'm impressed. Very good image quality... however I can't seem to make the fixed aspect ratio from the Nvidia driver to work.

Nephandus, how were you able to adjust the settings? I did what you showed us here, but whenever I select Fixed aspect ratio, display adapter scaling or center timing, it just shows black and it shows the message Out of Range. I'm stuck at monitor scaling option.

I'm using a BFG 7800GTX with 84.21 drivers

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i just got this too. it's such a nice change from my old PF790

[Coldtronius]

Im definently glad my review helped alot alot people choose a nice LCD for the price. :cool:

[Dillusion]

Help me out here guys:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1040780

[AMiller]

Just recieved my VX2025wm after buying it based mostly on this thread and the great reviews on newegg and im glad to say that they're all right. Loving this monitor, great picture quality and games like WoW look much better. Thanks for starting this thread!

[Dillusion]

Are any of you using DVI? Apparently viewsonic has a bad batch out, all 5 recent newegg reviews have had problems- including mine from techonweb.com.

[buzzfunk]

No problems using DVI here. I got mine at Frys and its tip top. ;)

[HoodooGuru]

DVI looks fantastic on mine.

Still loving this monitor-- no regrets with not waiting for the Dell 2007WFP

[KompressorV12]

DVI looks fantastic on mine.

Still loving this monitor-- no regrets with not waiting for the Dell 2007WFP

why would you wait for the 2007WFP (not being sarcastic trying to debate now), It looks like it has the same contrast ratio with twice the response time for $100 more

whats the diff between the 2007 and 2005

[jedicri]

Are any of you using DVI? Apparently viewsonic has a bad batch out, all 5 recent newegg reviews have had problems- including mine from techonweb.com.

No problems with DVI connection.

[Coldtronius]

Are any of you using DVI? Apparently viewsonic has a bad batch out, all 5 recent newegg reviews have had problems- including mine from techonweb.com.

DVI here, no problems and I have one of the first batches.

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i don't think there are bad dvi batches, it's it's just something additional that may need to be done.

[orpanyD]

Just bought this monitor, and I can say that I'm impressed. Very good image quality... however I can't seem to make the fixed aspect ratio from the Nvidia driver to work.

Nephandus, how were you able to adjust the settings? I did what you showed us here, but whenever I select Fixed aspect ratio, display adapter scaling or center timing, it just shows black and it shows the message Out of Range. I'm stuck at monitor scaling option.

I'm using a BFG 7800GTX with 84.21 drivers

I just got this monitor too and I had the same problem, what I did is install the Viewsonic
driver and rebooted.

Overall, excellent monitor.

[orpanyD]

[QUOTE=orpanyD]I just got this monitor too and I had the same problem, what I did is install the Viewsonic
driver and rebooted.

[orpanyD]

I just got this monitor too and I had the same problem, what I did is install the Viewsonic
driver and rebooted.

[orpanyD]

^ ^ Sorry for my stupidy but how do you delete the posts especially the last three???^ ^

[prolog788]

orpanyD,

do you mean you were able to use fixed aspect ratio by installing the Viewsonic drivers?
I did the same thing to no avail.

Regarding the bad batch of DVI input... I was tinkering with the Nvidia display tool, especially with the advanced timing just to get the monitor to show fixed aspect ratio and somehow I think I fried the dvi connection. After a few tinkerings, there was no signal going to the DVI connection. Analog was ok but the DVI was busted... good thing that was only two days after I bought it so I was able to have it replaced at Fry's. whew!

so right now I'm not tinkering with it for the meantime, i'm just using my crt for those 4:3 games i have and using the vx2025 for the newer games that support widescreen.

[Nephandus]

I didn't do anything special..just went to the driver settings, and checked fixed aspect ratio, and whaalaa, it was done...are you sure your refresh rate is set at 60hz?

[Polish Ninja]

I'm getting "out of range" with fixed aspect ratio scaling too :( Found this with google:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=854411&posted=1#post854411

[chr]

thanks for the recommendation. got two today, look fantastic. will snap photos of the setup later to share.

[dtos01]

What are all of your build dates? Mine is January 2006... Is this odd since I just bought it this week?

I just got it from JandR and so far I love it. No dead pixels... Some backlight bleed but I can live with it...

What are your color settings? Contrast? Brightness?

[prolog788]

@Nephandus

Yah I have it set at 60Hz. Could it be from the Forceware drivers? I'm using the 84.21 forceware drivers.

[chr]

march 06.

http://imageserver4.textamerica.com/user.images.x/2/IMG_480002/_0409/T520060409150543707.jpg

[boredguyatcomp]

march 06.

http://imageserver4.textamerica.com/user.images.x/2/IMG_480002/_0409/T520060409150543707.jpg
im envious

[LordBritish]

I'm also having problems with anything other than "Monitor Scaling" for the Digital Flat Panel Settings.

There are four options:
* Display adapter scaling
* Centered output
* Monitor scaling
* Fixed aspect ratio scaling

Only "Monitor Scaling" works for me.

All others produce "Out of Range" on my monitor :(

Apparently others are having the same issue.

I used to have an 6800 Ultra AGP connected to my vx2025wm and I had no problems with any of the 4 settings. I recently upgraded to a 7900 GTX and I've never been able to set any of the settings other than "Monitor Scaling".

We need to gather more information as to what the issue is !!!

[Polish Ninja]

So far it seems like all of us having trouble with the fixed aspect ratio option are running Nvidia 7x00 series cards with the latest drivers. I guess a couple things to try would be

1. Use an old card with new drivers.
2. Use a new card with old drivers.

Maybe we can get it narrowed down to either a driver issue or a hardware compatibility thing with newer Nvidia cards.

edit: I'll also try the above two options with and without the Viewsonic drivers installed and report back this afternoon.

[FlyingGimp]

I did a thread search on "lesnumerique", etc. and didn't see this, so hopefully it's not a repost.

Here's a review comparison, with stats similar to behardware, between the VX2025wm and the 20WMGX2:

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=41&ma2=52&mo2=95&p2=969&ph=1

Run it through http://babelfish.altavista.com French to English to see what they're talking about.

In summary, the response in the racing car guy test looked like the Nec won the best case and the Viewsonic won the worst case. Of course this tests a tiny fraction of the response matrix - can't wait for THG or xbit to review these. Since it sounds like it's P-MVA, it probably is much worse than an IPS panel on dark transitions (just look at past THG or xbitlabs reviews on *VA panels).

[LordBritish]

So far it seems like all of us having trouble with the fixed aspect ratio option are running Nvidia 7x00 series cards with the latest drivers. I guess a couple things to try would be

1. Use an old card with new drivers.
2. Use a new card with old drivers.

Maybe we can get it narrowed down to either a driver issue or a hardware compatibility thing with newer Nvidia cards.

edit: I'll also try the above two options with and without the Viewsonic drivers installed and report back this afternoon.

I've tried with and without the viewsonic monitor driver - it doesn't seem to fix the problem. Still says "Out of Range" :(

I've tried several diplay drivers and it still says "Out of Range".

I think it's a compatibility issue with some 7900/7800 cards and this monitor.

I think it's a good monitor but I must warn people that you may have some issues with flat panel display settings other than "Monitor Scaling" if you have an nVidia 7800/7900 series video card.

[chr]

i am using a bfg 7800gtx with latest xp drivers. everything ok on this end. what is the problem you are having, maybe i can help to fix it

[LordBritish]

The problem is that no other setting other than "Monitor Scaling" works at NON NATIVE resolution.

If you use native resolution, you may not see the issue.

I get Out of Range error showing on the monitor - the screen is all black except the error message itself.

[Polish Ninja]

Well fixed aspect ratio works with my GF4 ti200 but not with my 7800gt or 7900gtx with old or new drivers. wtf.

[LordBritish]

Well fixed aspect ratio works with my GF4 ti200 but not with my 7800gt or 7900gtx with old or new drivers. wtf.

I know what you mean !!

I could use all 4 modes with my old 6800 Ultra but with my 7900 GTX, I can ONLY use "Monitor Scaling" !!

I feel like crying :mad:

The worst thing is that I don't know what's wrong. Is it a driver issues, video card issue, or monitor issue.

[Sikish]

Got mine last Saturday. The best gaming monitor so far, better than my 24" CRT! Mainly play FPS: CS, DOD Source, Red Orchestra. Ratio is not a problem me. Although, I'm running 1680x1050 99% of the time. I'm running it on XFX 7900GT.. with 82.?? beta drivers.
When viewed at an angle screen looks brighter and colors are washed off. Not a big deal, but it's there. I'm not always straight in front of the monitor.
Overall I'm very happy with vx2025wm!

[Wushuboy]

i just got this last night from Fry's. It had one dead pixel on it so i returned it this morning and got another one. Hopefully it doesnt have any dead pixels.

What monitor settings do you use? I noticed that it's maxed out on brightness and contrast. Does this monitor require any tweaking to maximize it's potential?

[Sikish]

What monitor settings do you use? I noticed that it's maxed out on brightness and contrast. Does this monitor require any tweaking to maximize it's potential?

It was too bright for me right out of the box. I have contrast at 60, and brightness at 50.
If you have nVidia you can run their monitor calibration wizard. go to the nvidia properties -> Tools, you'll see it there.
I still have not gone through whole wizard.

[KingPing]

after readin every post in this thread I'm picking one of these babys up!!!

thanks for all the great input everyone!!:)

[KingPing]

i just got this too. it's such a nice change from my old PF790

PF790 pwns!!;)

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PF790 pwns!!;)

yes, it was the ultimate monitor in 2000

[Mangavin]

It's seem to have a problem with the 7800 XX and the 7900 XX cards with the "aspect ratio" option...

I have to command tomorrow... Then for people who have this issue, try de Nvidia 78.XX and not the new drivers...

And let us know... Thanks.

[LordBritish]

I was afriad that my 7900 GTX was busted because I couldn't do "Fixed Aspect Ratio" scaling with my vx2025wm.

In fact the only option that works for me is "Monitor Scaling".

So my 7900 GTX is OK?

[Mangavin]

I was afriad that my 7900 GTX was busted because I couldn't do "Fixed Aspect Ratio" scaling with my vx2025wm.

In fact the only option that works for me is "Monitor Scaling".

So my 7900 GTX is OK?

Then you say that "Monitor Scaling" has the same result as "Fixed Aspect Ratio"...????


Yes, no trouble with your card

[LordBritish]

Then you say that "Monitor Scaling" has the same result as "Fixed Aspect Ratio"...????


Yes, no trouble with your card

No, i'm saying that anything other than "Monitor Scaling" results in a black screen with the words "Out of Range" in the middle.

[Wushuboy]

Sorry for the stupid question, but what is Monitor Scaling and Fixed Aspect Ratio?
I just bought this lcd and i have a 7900gt and am wondering what compatibility problems there are.

[Mangavin]

The problem between the viewsonic and the 7900gt seems to be when you try to play with an old game which only support 4/3 ratio...

So with the 6800 and older graphic cards you have a "fix aspect ratio" which give black bars on the sides...

With the 7900.xx this option doesn't seem to work... Then the picture is stretched.

I don't have any of both... But I want. Then I ask if this driver (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1168) works.

[Wushuboy]

hopefully nvidia will come out with drivers that fix this problem.

[Power and Glory]

Sorry if this is old news, but I just noticed the price on Newegg went down from $415 to $409. In case anybody is still on the fence about getting it. :cool:

[Wushuboy]

rargh!

[AceCurby99]

I'm in the club!

My local fry's had it for $450 w/ a $50 mail in rebate! This thing is AWESOME. My first Widescreen and my first LCD and now I'm kicking myself for waiting so long to get one!

No dead pixels and the backlight bleeding is almost non-exsistant! Thanks for this thread - ya'll helped me make my decision and I think I got a pretty good price too. I'm bout to load up EVE and check it out on this thing...

(If you guys want pics, I'll post them - but there seems to be tons of them up here already!)

[RSeXXX]

I'm in the club!

My local fry's had it for $450 w/ a $50 mail in rebate! This thing is AWESOME. My first Widescreen and my first LCD and now I'm kicking myself for waiting so long to get one!

No dead pixels and the backlight bleeding is almost non-exsistant! Thanks for this thread - ya'll helped me make my decision and I think I got a pretty good price too. I'm bout to load up EVE and check it out on this thing...

(If you guys want pics, I'll post them - but there seems to be tons of them up here already!)

I was impulsive and bought mine from Fry's little over a month ago at $497.99. I was furious to say the least when they lowered the price after their 30 day return policy. I ended calling anyways to see if I can get some compensation. They ended up offering me $53 in store credit...

[Karan]

for ATI users (i'm on an x850xtpe) think this might be the option to look at -

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6806/13az1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[wonkman]

$383 shipped at J&R after $100 rebate.

J&R (http://www.+++++++/JRProductPage.process?Product_Id=4090201)

[AceCurby99]

Backlight bleeding issue! Is it always like this? I have a black backround and I can see it in the corners...but if I move my head (like what the OP said he did) it goes away...

I got 30 days to deciede on whether I wanna live w/ it or not - its not noticable in any of my games at least. Anyone got a website where I can DL some backrounds thats aren't black - hahahah!

[Copyright]

Wow.. I just read this whole thread... I ordred one of these and it should be in tomorow. Great info in here!

[KingPing]

ready to pull the trigger on one.....I have to ask....how is this monitor for FPS games?? as that is what it will be doing 60% of the time....I'm a CS:Source fan, also Quake4....last year I bought the 2005fpw and the ghosting was so horrible that I had to return it so I went with what I have now...930B.........any input would be greatly appreciated:)

[Coldtronius]

ready to pull the trigger on one.....I have to ask....how is this monitor for FPS games?? as that is what it will be doing 60% of the time....I'm a CS:Source fan, also Quake4....last year I bought the 2005fpw and the ghosting was so horrible that I had to return it so I went with what I have now...930B.........any input would be greatly appreciated:)

I actually started playing CS: Source last night cause I was bored outa my freaking mind. It ran flawlessly and I play HL2 Deathmatch, BF1942, BF1942 and some UT2k4 since I bought the thing and i've seen so little ghosting I can't even notice it without really looking. Much better then the Dell 2405 and 2005 I had fora while.

[ldbs]

how is the text clearity on this monitor?

like in word etc.. or does it look funny cause it's so stretched out?

[ldbs]

is that

colourful Bird on the top left hand corner a sticker?

?
?
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?

[etherealtml]

is that

colourful Bird on the top left hand corner a sticker?

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No, it is not a sticker. It is painted, and debossed in the plastic.

[blank]

those birds are the reason this is my 4th viewsonic

[turkey222]

Just to let everyone know, according to flatpanels.dk, the VX2025wm has a S-IPS display.

ViewSonic VX2025wm (widescreen) har et 20 tommer 8 ms (g2g) S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201W01) panel.

NEC LCD20WGX2 (widescreen) har et 20 tommer 6 ms (g2g) S-IPS (LG.Philips LM201W01) panel.

This is the same LG S-IPC panel that is in the new NEC LCD20WGX2. In the US it is known as the 20WMGX2. To me, this makes this Viewsonic to be a very desirable panel. For one, behardware.com reviewed the NEC LCD20WGX2, and found it to be very good for gaming (http://www.behardware.com/articles/610-1/nec-20wgx-an-ips-equivalent-to-a-2-ms-tn.html), as fast as a TN panel. Also, since it is an IPS panel, you know it will have great color reproduction, so this would be an ideal choice for photoediting and other graphic work (unlike a TN panel). Only problem I see with the Viewsonic is that it does not seem to have HDCP support, unlike the US NEX 20WMGX2 (see http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista-ready_hdcp_lcd_roundup/). On the other hands, the NEX retails for like $800, so the viewsonic is nearly 1/2 the price for the same panel.

Differences between the NEC 20WMGX2 and Viewsonic:
- NEC has a feature called Advanced DV which supposedly boosts the contrast ration from 700:1 to 1600:1 by altering brightness based on what is being displayed on the screen
-NEC has s-video, component, and rca inputs
-NEC has a glossy type screen (do not know if this is an advantage or disadvantage, depends on your preference I guess)
-NEC has HDCP

Here is another link to a good NEC review: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/nec_20wgx2.htm

Overall, sounds to me like the XV2025wm could turn out to be a fantastic monitor. I wish it had HDCP.

Ross



has viewsonic changed the type of panel used in vx2025wm?
according to two websites, its now a P-MVA panel...
http://www.prad.de/en/guide/screen2648.html
http://flatpanels.dk/panels.php <- search vx2025wm

i personally prefer p-mva for the good viewing angles but others might be interested in s-ips...

[borez]

If I'm not wrong, the 2025 has always been a P-MVA, with panels by AUO..

I think the S-IPS panel should be incorrect (at least, that's what the Dell's using..)

[ldbs]

how is word. photoshop. etc on this monitor?

[KingPing]

mine is on the way!! woot!!:)

[jddesigned]

I picked this up last Saturday and I've been pleased with it, but I don't think enough to keep it. I have definitely caught the widescreen bug and will never go back. I'm open the hunt for a LCD that I can do my design and web work on(photoshop, flash etc) and play FPS games. I also need something without glass because my office is 50% windows and I can barely see my screen on sunny days.

So the things I like:

- No motion blur in games that I can see. I play a lot of FPS games and on prior tried LCD's the side to side turning would create motion blur that would make me sick to my stomach. This monitor is a real treat to game on.
- Contrast to brightness is more than enough and quite pleasing.
- Did I mention widescreen?
- Once tweaked whites are white and color reproduction is very good with one exception(see dislikes)
- The stand is firm and looks pleasing on the desk too.
- I can do most graphic design and web work and I say most(see dislikes)

and my dislikes:

- Banding in the dark colors(gradients). As reviews state this monitor struggles with blacks and charcoals. Gradients in the deeper ranges suffer not smoothing out until mid tones.
- TEXT. Yes text. I know it looks good most of the time but when it comes down to the fine stuff this ones slacking. Dynamic text and pixel fonts are strong. Small size standard fonts is where this monitor suffers. When using standard fonts in sizes from 6 - roughly 14 the text gives off the appearance of tearing. This I fear could be enough for me to send this back as working in those font ranges is critical to my design work.
- Backlight bleed of course, if I decide to stay with this monitor I will be exchanging it only for this reason.
- * The anti-glare coating. There are times you don't even notice it and there's times when it casts almost a crystallized effect. I don't think this is a deal breaker, pretty sure I'd get used to it, but it can be annoying.

I've previously owned 5 lcd's and returned all do to each having a fault or two that bother me. Unfortunately I need a monitor that can handle gaming and design work while freeing up desk space. I've tried the Samsung 204T and it is by far the best LCD I've personally come across for design work. It was excellent in color repro and gradients, and handled all text sizes with ease. unfortunately it went back because I am one of those people highly sensitive to motion blur with sub 8ms lcd's.

This monitor I would highly recommend for those who want to game widescreen and surf the web. Photo editing and most graphic design would be ok, but for fine detail work I would avoid this LCD.

So if anyone else is not experiencing the tearing in text and banding let me know. Maybe I just have a lemon and should try another.

[FS Effects]

is 60hz normal for this monitor? it seems rather low. i dont want eye-stain.

[BrainC0DE]

is 60hz normal for this monitor? it seems rather low. i dont want eye-stain.

eye strain on a lcd at 60hz is not bad, on a crt though its hell

[Coldtronius]

is 60hz normal for this monitor? it seems rather low. i dont want eye-stain.

LCD's don't need to be refreshed like a CRT phosporhus coating does, the glow effect after being hit by the electron beam lasts only a few milliseconds so it has to be constantly recharged with the ray tube gun, hence the "flicker" and "eye strain" CRT's are known with.

The pixels in LCDs are either always on or off. Refresh rate simply pertains on how fast data is sent and redrawn in the case of an LCD. You won't get eyestrain with an LCD

[Mh0user]

anyone play oblivion with a eVGA 256-P2-N553-AX Geforce 7600GT @ 1680 with this moniter? if so how is the performance? looking to spend that yearly tax return on this

[borez]

I picked this up last Saturday and I've been pleased with it, but I don't think enough to keep it. I have definitely caught the widescreen bug and will never go back. I'm open the hunt for a LCD that I can do my design and web work on(photoshop, flash etc) and play FPS games. I also need something without glass because my office is 50% windows and I can barely see my screen on sunny days.

So the things I like:

- No motion blur in games that I can see. I play a lot of FPS games and on prior tried LCD's the side to side turning would create motion blur that would make me sick to my stomach. This monitor is a real treat to game on.
- Contrast to brightness is more than enough and quite pleasing.
- Did I mention widescreen?
- Once tweaked whites are white and color reproduction is very good with one exception(see dislikes)
- The stand is firm and looks pleasing on the desk too.
- I can do most graphic design and web work and I say most(see dislikes)

and my dislikes:

- Banding in the dark colors(gradients). As reviews state this monitor struggles with blacks and charcoals. Gradients in the deeper ranges suffer not smoothing out until mid tones.
- TEXT. Yes text. I know it looks good most of the time but when it comes down to the fine stuff this ones slacking. Dynamic text and pixel fonts are strong. Small size standard fonts is where this monitor suffers. When using standard fonts in sizes from 6 - roughly 14 the text gives off the appearance of tearing. This I fear could be enough for me to send this back as working in those font ranges is critical to my design work.
- Backlight bleed of course, if I decide to stay with this monitor I will be exchanging it only for this reason.
- * The anti-glare coating. There are times you don't even notice it and there's times when it casts almost a crystallized effect. I don't think this is a deal breaker, pretty sure I'd get used to it, but it can be annoying.

I've previously owned 5 lcd's and returned all do to each having a fault or two that bother me. Unfortunately I need a monitor that can handle gaming and design work while freeing up desk space. I've tried the Samsung 204T and it is by far the best LCD I've personally come across for design work. It was excellent in color repro and gradients, and handled all text sizes with ease. unfortunately it went back because I am one of those people highly sensitive to motion blur with sub 8ms lcd's.

This monitor I would highly recommend for those who want to game widescreen and surf the web. Photo editing and most graphic design would be ok, but for fine detail work I would avoid this LCD.

So if anyone else is not experiencing the tearing in text and banding let me know. Maybe I just have a lemon and should try another.

Hi,

Thanks for the review. Just to check, did you manage to calibrate your screen with a display calibrator (ie, Eye One, X-Rite) etc?

I'm also intending to use this for photo editing, but however, the gradient problem would seem to be a deal breaker for me. Would it be possible to show some pictures on how bad the banding can get?

Thanks a mil. :)

[Bona Fide]

anyone play oblivion with a eVGA 256-P2-N553-AX Geforce 7600GT @ 1680 with this moniter? if so how is the performance? looking to spend that yearly tax return on this

Good luck to you. I play at 16x10 with an X1800XT and I still drop under 30fps outside sometimes. You'll need at least a 7900GT to be able to play with reasonable framerates. If I were you, I would downgrade to a VX924 and buy a better graphics card. :)

[rj2]

awesome monitor.i have an ati x850xt agp card.
at 1680x1050 is this enough card to play hl2,fear,far cry etc at decent framerates.
if not i may have to reconsider as i cannot presently afford to move to pci-e,and all the new hardware that would require
thanks

[Mh0user]

Good luck to you. I play at 16x10 with an X1800XT and I still drop under 30fps outside sometimes. You'll need at least a 7900GT to be able to play with reasonable framerates. If I were you, I would downgrade to a VX924 and buy a better graphics card. :)


think imma just stick with this moniter and upgrade my card sometime soon

[killedaway]

awesome monitor.i have an ati x850xt agp card.
at 1680x1050 is this enough card to play hl2,fear,far cry etc at decent framerates.
if not i may have to reconsider as i cannot presently afford to move to pci-e,and all the new hardware that would require
thanks
well, i'm running a 7900GT and i can play HL2 at 1680 with everything turned up, and i get 90+fps average (80+ on Lost Coast). Fear doesn't fare as well, and i have to turn down the effects. Far Cry is similar to HL2 at these resolutions. in Fear and Oblivion, i just cut the res down to 1280x800, and i get pleasing FPS with everything turned up med/high, with Bloom (on Oblivion) and 4x AA.

i know that we don't have the same card, but maybe you can look at what i've been seeing, and gauge your experience accordingly.

the bottom line is that 1680 is asking alot from your card, but if you're not completely hung up on getting the max res, you'll do fine at 1280x800 in most games, i'll wager.

[Mh0user]

well, i'm running a 7900GT and i can play HL2 at 1680 with everything turned up, and i get 90+fps average (80+ on Lost Coast). Fear doesn't fare as well, and i have to turn down the effects. Far Cry is similar to HL2 at these resolutions. in Fear and Oblivion, i just cut the res down to 1280x800, and i get pleasing FPS with everything turned up med/high, with Bloom (on Oblivion) and 4x AA.

i know that we don't have the same card, but maybe you can look at what i've been seeing, and gauge your experience accordingly.

the bottom line is that 1680 is asking alot from your card, but if you're not completely hung up on getting the max res, you'll do fine at 1280x800 in most games, i'll wager.


heh this is where an SLI or Crossfire set up would come into play

[rj2]

well, i'm running a 7900GT and i can play HL2 at 1680 with everything turned up, and i get 90+fps average (80+ on Lost Coast). Fear doesn't fare as well, and i have to turn down the effects. Far Cry is similar to HL2 at these resolutions. in Fear and Oblivion, i just cut the res down to 1280x800, and i get pleasing FPS with everything turned up med/high, with Bloom (on Oblivion) and 4x AA.

i know that we don't have the same card, but maybe you can look at what i've been seeing, and gauge your experience accordingly.

the bottom line is that 1680 is asking alot from your card, but if you're not completely hung up on getting the max res, you'll do fine at 1280x800 in most games, i'll wager.
thanks for your reply.perhaps too much monitor for my card :confused: .i really don`t want to drop
the res to play games,which to me defeats the reason i would like to get the monitor
thnx again

[cosgrove]

I'm really liking mine so far!

is this backlight bleeding?

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jecosgro/backlight.jpg

[Manny Calavera]

Looks like it,but not too bad,the camera probably makes it worse then it really is.If you are happy though,who cares really ?? ;)

[cosgrove]

the camera is a sony ericsson w600i cell phone :cool:

and yes, I'm happy with it :)

[wonkman]

That's seems to be the same pattern of backlight bleeding that everyone has on this LCD but your camera is obviously making it seem much worse.

[Chmod]

Nice job on the reviews of this monitor (vx2025). I was watching the prices at different sites on it the past few days, and today it just dropped to $389 at buy.com (shipped), so I snagged one. Figured I'd let everyone know about that price. Picked up my tv tuner and x800xt platinum ed. today from ups also. It'll be about a week before the monitor is here, but I'll have everything ready for that bad baby. Considering I'm upgrading from a 15" Samsung LCD (4 yrs old) and an old ATI 9700 pro, this should be ineteresting.....And theres quite a few new games I still need to play.......so long social life (hahaha). But seriously, I can't wait to get this monitor. I'll add a small review myself after I give it a good run.

[dtos01]

Anyone who has calibrated this monitor want to share the settings?

[Lawdog]

Hmmm. After the Buy.com sale hit, I knew what I had to do. $359.95 :p later and I now need a vid card uprgrade too from my 9800 Pro. What's the opinion on a 6800 GS AGP to get me by for another year of BF2 until I can upgrade the whole computer to a PCI-E setup? I'm not looking for maxed out settings, just playable framerates at the native resolution.

[Power and Glory]

I ordered it last night from Newegg at 409.99. Today I get home from work and see they are now selling it for 399.99. Damn them ;)

[Copyright]

Got mine from newegg.. 2 stuck pixels almost in the center.. not sure what to do now. Viewsonic wants 10 or more stuck/dead pixels for them to replace it. Next LCD I get will be locally. I also had fun reading all the bad stories about viewsonics customer service and their turnaround time for RMA.

[Lawdog]

Here is BF1942 with hacked 1680x1050 all options full except AA.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2360/bf10vl.jpg

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/5219/bf34ez.jpg

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/1097/bf45nk.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7205/bf52bm.jpg

Dude, you're playing on my clan server! =S= That's awesome. I just ordered up one of these. See you on the battlefield.

[Ruger44]

Coldtronious:

Ok, so I have the panel - it's great, but BF2 doesn't look right still. How'd you "hack" it to get it to work right.

Thanks for any help.

[Copyright]

I'm really liking mine so far!

is this backlight bleeding?

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jecosgro/backlight.jpg

Mine looks the exact same. Whats weird si you can move around at different angles and it will fade away. My g/f's monitor has bad back light bleading and no matter what angle you move at you can see it plain as day on a black screen. Am I the only one with some stuck pixels? Just my luck.

[OrientOrigin]

Coldtronious:

Ok, so I have the panel - it's great, but BF2 doesn't look right still. How'd you "hack" it to get it to work right.


Just edit your battlefield shortcut in your desktop.
You will have something like this:

C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\Battlefield 2\BF2.exe" +menu 1 +fullscreen 1 +szx 1280 +szy 1024

You can change these numbers to anything you wish, such as 1680x1050 for widescreen monitors. But be carefull, the game will run not in real 1680x1050, it will be an extrapolation, it means you will have a light deformation but nothing really bad...
Hope they will allowed in a next patxh the 16/10 resolution, as they've done for Call of Duty 2. really beautifull a real 1680*1050 FPS game !

[wheels2040]

I just picked one (VX2025) up at CompUSA last night. $399.00 after $50.00 mail in rebate. Normally I would have ordered online and saved a few bucks, but if I had any problems, I didnt want to mess with shipping back and waiting for another one to arrive. So far I would say I am happy. Definitely some backlight bleeding as seen is previous posts, but only noticable in a full black screen. I definitely dont like the auto screen scaling though on non-native resolutions. And I cant get my 7900gt to keep it from doing that. Seems the driver doesnt quite work right with the screen. Hopefully a fix will come soon. I fired up COD2 to test out gaming and I will say widescreen gaming kicks ass.

[KingPing]

got mine today....absolutely beautiful!!!

CS:Source is ghosting fairly badly...IMO:(:(

more testing to do:)

[lcdguy]

Bascially i think i need something bigger than my 17" LCD (Philips 170SFB) and i can get the viewsonic from NCIX for around $566 Canadian that includes (Taxes, Shipping, 30 No Dead Pixel Warranty) and was wondering if this is a good deal. And yes i am aware there is also the Dell 2005FPW but me right now that unit is $650 Canadian before taxes, etc.

I was wodnering if this is a good buy.

$566 Canadian = $496.564 USD Approximately.

Cheers,

Lcdguy

[KingPing]

got mine today....absolutely beautiful!!!

CS:Source is ghosting fairly badly...IMO:(:(

more testing to do:)

I take back the "ghosting" comment after getting some settings right and slapping myself around a little I see little or none at all.....this monitor rocks!!!:)

[Lawdog]

I take back the "ghosting" comment after getting some settings right and slapping myself around a little I see little or none at all.....this monitor rocks!!!:)

I was gonna say... :cool:

[Skyviper]

Is it just me or do those BF2 pictures look really blurry? Is it supposed to be like that?

[jddesigned]

I did mention this in my post earlier regarding this LCD, but thought I'd bring it up again. I was wondering what everyone's overall impression with text is on this LCD. I find it weaker than most LCD's I've seen and worked with, frankly it's just plain awful. If a font is not in a pixel or dynamic form such as standard forum post fonts, I find it very weak. Most fonts and text surfing the web etc seems to have a blurred/tearing effect. This is a shame too because I do a lot of design work and fonts have to be a sharp as possible. Just wondering cause maybe I have a lemon. Any thoughts?

PS: It's too bad cause this is an awasome LCD for gaming and this coming from a guy who gets headaches and feels sick a most motion blur on LCD's. I notice none unless I try to actually see it and then it's truly minmal.

[Power and Glory]

I did mention this in my post earlier regarding this LCD, but thought I'd bring it up again. I was wondering what everyone's overall impression with text is on this LCD. I find it weaker than most LCD's I've seen and worked with, frankly it's just plain awful. If a font is not in a pixel or dynamic form such as standard forum post fonts, I find it very weak. Most fonts and text surfing the web etc seems to have a blurred/tearing effect. This is a shame too because I do a lot of design work and fonts have to be a sharp as possible. Just wondering cause maybe I have a lemon. Any thoughts?

PS: It's too bad cause this is an awasome LCD for gaming and this coming from a guy who gets headaches and feels sick a most motion blur on LCD's. I notice none unless I try to actually see it and then it's truly minmal.

Did you try a differant resolution to see if that would help? I found the native 1680x1050 to be way too small for general desktop and internet use so I tried one of the other lower widescreen resolutions. I'm currently using 1280x768 for my desktop and have had no problems with text. Everybody's eyes are differant though so I don't know if that would be of any help to you especially for your line of work.

[Chmod]

I did mention this in my post earlier regarding this LCD, but thought I'd bring it up again. I was wondering what everyone's overall impression with text is on this LCD. I find it weaker than most LCD's I've seen and worked with, frankly it's just plain awful. If a font is not in a pixel or dynamic form such as standard forum post fonts, I find it very weak. Most fonts and text surfing the web etc seems to have a blurred/tearing effect. This is a shame too because I do a lot of design work and fonts have to be a sharp as possible. Just wondering cause maybe I have a lemon. Any thoughts?

PS: It's too bad cause this is an awasome LCD for gaming and this coming from a guy who gets headaches and feels sick a most motion blur on LCD's. I notice none unless I try to actually see it and then it's truly minmal.


Is this your first LCD? My samsung does the same thing when I reformat until I update the drivers (vid card and monitor), and then I go into the monitor's menu settings and tweak the H-position and V-position (horizontal and vertical). Have you tried that yet? Its pretty common with LCD's I've messed with and usually takes about 5 minutes to get the settings tweaked just right. Hope this helps.

[Lothar]

I have 2 of these displays and love them. I have no problem with the text, however I always run LCD's in their native resolution. In my experience not doing so severely degrades text clarity and image quality.

[Voltron]

Is it just me or do those BF2 pictures look really blurry? Is it supposed to be like that?


It's just the camera, in native res the monitor looks very crisp.

[jddesigned]

OK, so going through your posts as a trouble shooting list here.

1. Yes, I'm running at native resolution and running in anything not native looks just plain bad to me.
2. I've, play with my vid car settings over and over.
3. Running in DVI since day 1.

We may never no what the problem is and I gotta return it tomorrow or I'll miss my Best Buy 14 day return period. If my 14 day return policy resets with an exchange I'll try another, hopefully I have a lemon. Kinda strange I'm the only one who finds text poor. I'm not talking desktop text here either. My Icons and forum text is perfect, it's just vector fonts that are the problem. I work with 3 different LCD's on my desk at work and have had 6 different ones at home, and I haven't seen text tis poor since I had a Hyundai L90D+. So no one else see's a slight bleeding effect?

Anyways I'll keep you all updated. Never know what will become of this.

[wheels2040]

I have been using mine for about 3 days now and I am still on the fence about it. Games look great but I am not real crazy about the antiglare coating. It seems to wash out text a little bit. This is my first LCD, so it could be just me being use to the Sony 20" CRT that this replaced.

[Eagle156]

Do you have cleartype on?

[wheels2040]

Yeah cleartype is on

[jddesigned]

I think a lot to do with the overall text quality is a product of the anti-glare coating. I think the coating tends to bleed the text. I've never been a fan of cleartype either. I installed it hoping it would solve things but unfortunately not. I'll swap this one and try one more but I think this monitor is just text weak.

[lcdguy]

now dell has gone and complicated things :)

Which do you think would be a better purchase Dell 2007 Model or the Viewsonic i can get a deal on the dell but it would still be more than the viewsonic ?

I need an answer soon as the sale price i got for the viewsonic is only good till the 25th.

[samduhman]

now dell has gone and complicated things :)

Which do you think would be a better purchase Dell 2007 Model or the Viewsonic i can get a deal on the dell but it would still be more than the viewsonic ?

I need an answer soon as the sale price i got for the viewsonic is only good till the 25th.

Nothing complicated at all according to this thread http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1842727&enterthread=y

The Viewsonic is still the clear winner if these people are correct about the banding issues.

[lcdguy]

i'm glad cause i already ordered the viewsonic :D i think it will make a nice bday gift to myself :D

[samduhman]

This thread has also sold me on the VX2025wm. Now my delimma is whether I should spend approx $80 more for piece of mind by purchasing at a local brick and mortar where I can return it easily?

Are all online stores return policies similar to Newegg concerning LCDs?

[reddhaus]

Great thread!!

I have been looking at this monitor and this helps me a bunch. I think I will be odering one very soon.

:D

[lcdguy]

well the company i bought mine from has the extra service called Zero Dead Pixel policy where if your monitor gets a dead pixel within the first 30 days you can return it for a replacement free of charge.

[tankkid]

hey, this is now my second VX2025wm. I really like the monitor but ive been haveing a problem with it. I started using this monitor on my old pc for about a week and then i upgraded my pc i noticed that on the left side of the monitor i had about a 1 inch stripe blue going down the monitor. I got a new and it worked good. now about a week or two later this monitor started doing it. I first noticed it starting as a very light red and then got darker and bluer. It only occurs on a white or very light backround, not dark ones. Here are some pictures:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/tankkid/DSCN1073.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/tankkid/DSCN1076.jpg

[wheels2040]

If you are using cleartype, try using this cleartype tuner. It helped my muddy fonts a little.
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypePowerToy.mspx

[Ripped85]

Ordered my monitor yesterday..should come in tomorrow..can't wait!

[DigitalEdge]

hey, this is now my second VX2025wm. I really like the monitor but ive been haveing a problem with it. I started using this monitor on my old pc for about a week and then i upgraded my pc i noticed that on the left side of the monitor i had about a 1 inch stripe blue going down the monitor. I got a new and it worked good. now about a week or two later this monitor started doing it. I first noticed it starting as a very light red and then got darker and bluer. It only occurs on a white or very light backround, not dark ones. Here are some pictures:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/tankkid/DSCN1073.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j134/tankkid/DSCN1076.jpg

What graphics card you running?

[Hurricane]

Hello all

I've been reading this thread from the 1st page and this monitor seems to be it for me. Although I have a tiny request to the vx2025 users before buying it - could you take a straight picture of the desktop with the start menu bar at 1680x1050 and at 1280x960 or something). Thanks a lot!

[tankkid]

What graphics card you running?

I have a BFG 7900GT

Yesterday I started switching cables to see if that made a difference and then i tried the dvi-vga converter and now the dvi input on my monitor wont work. The VGA quality is horrible so right now im back to my 17in princeton and the same thing is NOT happening. The DVI works and there is no lines.

Thanks for the replys, hopefully i can figure out what is going on.

[tankkid]

now after it was plugged into my 17in and i plugged in my 2025vm it worked, but still the lines

[DigitalEdge]

now after it was plugged into my 17in and i plugged in my 2025vm it worked, but still the lines

You don’t have anything tweaked in the nvidia display properties do you? You running at 60 Hertz? You are also in the native res of 1680x1050 rite? and have the current driver installed if you run windows update there is a new driver.

Also somewhere in theis thread theres a way to restore dvi input if needbe

[tankkid]

yes, 60 hertz and for some reason after i plugged in the vga there ws no more1680x1050 res so i have it on 1600x1024. I'll dl the update now to see if that helps

[Manny Calavera]

I hope you can get that problem resolved,but those screenies you upped are scary !!! It sounds like this Viewsonic has a few kinks that need to be worked out. I would be pretty supremely pissed if I went through 2 returns on a what is here in Canada a 560~ dollar item with tax only to find out yet again that it has to be returned! Is the 2025 in those shots,you're latest rma return from them ? I would send that back,if after trying factory defaults,as well as a few different driver revisions,it still had those 'blue' lines. :( I wish you luck.

[tankkid]

yes those are from my 2nd monitor, im not too pissed because my dad works in the computer buisness and he gets them for a little cheaper. Plus, where he gets parts from, if there is something wrong with the product within 30 days they just exchange it at the place for free. Not too annoying

[DigitalEdge]

yes, 60 hertz and for some reason after i plugged in the vga there ws no more1680x1050 res so i have it on 1600x1024. I'll dl the update now to see if that helps

what your saying here tells me it may not be the lcd there may be somthing else going on,
Is there another computer in you home you can hook the lcd up to? Also you should always stay in the native resolution of 1680x1050

does that gray line show up in all resolutions?

[tankkid]

yes, its in all resolutions. If it doesnt show up as an option for 1680x1050 how do i get it?

[MrWizard6600]

ok im sure your tired of answering upward of 20pages of respose (some of it completly unconstructive criticism you bastards) but it looks like im gonna get me a new monitor to replace my ever-so-trusty 19" Samsung 955df, and this one im going to get is primarily for gaming, and the monitor you got, Viewsonic 2025 seems pretty sweet, but it apparently has speakers so onto my question.

the speakers... are they a joke? do you have any idea how big the cone is (ie how much base it has?) and it seems like you like yours so i could very well go for although im gonna miss my black, but thats no biggie.

but after just now learning that hl2 supports WIDESCREEN, i have to get a widescreen monitor, i mean you can see more! like... more! i wont have to turn 90 degrees to see people around corners! autta give me a few extra kills in the upcoming cal season.

thanks.

[DigitalEdge]

ok im sure your tired of answering upward of 20pages of respose (some of it completly unconstructive criticism you bastards) but it looks like im gonna get me a new monitor to replace my ever-so-trusty 19" Samsung 955df, and this one im going to get is primarily for gaming, and the monitor you got, Viewsonic 2025 seems pretty sweet, but it apparently has speakers so onto my question.

the speakers... are they a joke? do you have any idea how big the cone is (ie how much base it has?) and it seems like you like yours so i could very well go for although im gonna miss my black, but thats no biggie.

but after just now learning that hl2 supports WIDESCREEN, i have to get a widescreen monitor, i mean you can see more! like... more! i wont have to turn 90 degrees to see people around corners! autta give me a few extra kills in the upcoming cal season.

thanks.

Speakers are OK, but for gaming don’t even bother with them. Umm as for base what base :)

Halflife and cs2 are incredible in widescreen.

[DasFox]

Guys, I'm really thinking to snag one of these Viewsonics. But how does this Viewsonic stack up against the NEC 20WGX2 and Dell 2007WFP?

THANKS

[samduhman]

Went to buy this monitor today in a brick and mortar and the one on display scared me out of it. Im sure it was a settings issue or it was defective but I didn't feel comfortable buying one with the issue I saw. The text was not sharp. Not only was it not sharp but it had a blueish/purple haze to the letters. This is not normal is it? What was going on? :confused:

I would also like to confirm with those who play FPSers that ghosting is "not" an issue with this lcd?

thanks

[samduhman]

Guys, I'm really thinking to snag one of these Viewsonics. But how does this Viewsonic stack up against the NEC 20WGX2 and Dell 2007WFP?

THANKS

The NEC spanks it according to what I've read but it has a glare screen which may be troublesome in the wrong lighting. It also costs a bit more. The Dell supposedly has banding issues.

[jedicri]

Went to buy this monitor today in a brick and mortar and the one on display scared me out of it. Im sure it was a settings issue or it was defective but I didn't feel comfortable buying one with the issue I saw. The text was not sharp. Not only was it not sharp but it had a blueish/purple haze to the letters. This is not normal is it? What was going on? :confused:

I would also like to confirm with those who play FPSers that ghosting is "not" an issue with this lcd?

thanks

Contrast, Digital Vibrance and Brightness is adjustable through my vid card's panel (I have an Nvidia card); I used these to suit my viewing needs with regards to texts and whatnot.

As for FPSers, I've had no problems with ghosting; I can't speak for others here however.

[DasFox]

The NEC spanks it according to what I've read but it has a glare screen which may be troublesome in the wrong lighting. It also costs a bit more. The Dell supposedly has banding issues.


Hmm, so the NEC seems to be the top dog here. Yes I've seen that glare screen before.

Well besides these 3 is there anything else worth mentioning?

THANKS

[sanitystream]

Guys, I'm really thinking to snag one of these Viewsonics. But how does this Viewsonic stack up against the NEC 20WGX2 and Dell 2007WFP?


I have used both the Viewsonic and Dell. I had the Viewsonic for awhile and returned it and now I have the Dell 2007. My vote is for the Dell because it can do aspect ratio control. Otherwise, both monitors are pretty equal in performance. I will say that text seems to be ever so slightly fuzzier on the Dell via DVI at native res.

I returned the Viewsonic simply because I was trying out different monitors and exchanged it for the Gateway. That didn't impress me, so now I tried the Dell. If the Dell hadn't worked out, I would've gone back to the Viewsonic.

Either monitor is a good one, it mainly depends on whether you want aspect ratio control (Dell) or don't mind non-native resolutions stretched to fit (Viewsonic).

Yes, buying LCDs can make you go insane.

[blank]

i took some pics for comparison to the NEC20WGX2 thread

http://kipkeston.com/viewsonicwallpaper1.jpg
http://kipkeston.com/viewsonicwallpaper2.jpg
http://kipkeston.com/viewsonicwallpaper3.jpg
http://kipkeston.com/viewsonicwallpaper4.jpg

i used my old canon SD500 5.0mpix camera

[Son]

I'm tossing up between the Dell 2007WFP and this, but there's one question I have. I think I already know the answer, but I just want to be sure before I gamble with Dell's dead pixel policy.

This is a scaling question. I'm planning to plug my PC to the DVI slot and leave a Dreamcast plugged into the VGA slot. Will the Viewsonic stretch the Dramcast display to fill the 16:10 ratio, or will I somehow be able to configure it to keep the original 4:3 ratio with black bars on the sides?

[sanitystream]

I'm tossing up between the Dell 2007WFP and this, but there's one question I have. I think I already know the answer, but I just want to be sure before I gamble with Dell's dead pixel policy.

This is a scaling question. I'm planning to plug my PC to the DVI slot and leave a Dreamcast plugged into the VGA slot. Will the Viewsonic stretch the Dramcast display to fill the 16:10 ratio, or will I somehow be able to configure it to keep the original 4:3 ratio with black bars on the sides?


The Viewsonic will stretch it to fit. There is no aspect control on that monitor.

[DasFox]

I have used both the Viewsonic and Dell. I had the Viewsonic for awhile and returned it and now I have the Dell 2007. My vote is for the Dell because it can do aspect ratio control. Otherwise, both monitors are pretty equal in performance. I will say that text seems to be ever so slightly fuzzier on the Dell via DVI at native res.

I returned the Viewsonic simply because I was trying out different monitors and exchanged it for the Gateway. That didn't impress me, so now I tried the Dell. If the Dell hadn't worked out, I would've gone back to the Viewsonic.

Either monitor is a good one, it mainly depends on whether you want aspect ratio control (Dell) or don't mind non-native resolutions stretched to fit (Viewsonic).

Yes, buying LCDs can make you go insane.


Well for me this monitor will only be used for gaming, nothing else. So personally I'd just leave it on the optimal resolution of 1680x1050. I would figure it's going to be pretty much the only resolution I use.

But I'm not to sure here, but is this size supported well in games? I swear I remember that 1600x1200 to be more typical.

THANKS

[Son]

The Viewsonic will stretch it to fit. There is no aspect control on that monitor.
Dang, that's what I thought. Thanks for the reply. :)

[DasFox]

But I'm going to use this for gaming on a SLI box, ONLY for new-generation games, and many of them out there support WS, or you can hack them to work.

So for me I don't see this as a issue.

[sanitystream]

Can a Viewsonic owner kindly view this screenshot and tell me if you see any color banding?

http://xtknight.atothosting.com/lcdtest/purplegreen2.png


On my new Dell 2007WFP it bands like a mo-fo so I'm sending it back. That image should be a smooth color gradient.

thanks.

EDIT: corrected link to proper screen. (sorry)

[jddesigned]

Can a Viewsonic owner kindly view this screenshot and tell me if you see any color banding?

http://www.groundcity.com/pics/banding/banding/Banding-002.jpg


On my new Dell 2007WFP it bands like a mo-fo so I'm sending it back. That image should be a smooth color gradient.

thanks.

Larger version of the screenie would have helped but I will say I detect minor ripples so to speak.

[DasFox]

Larger version of the screenie would have helped but I will say I detect minor ripples so to speak.

Those ripples in the background are due to a lower-end video card, that can't renender the picture properly, not the LCD. :)

[jddesigned]

I picked this up last Saturday and I've been pleased with it, but I don't think enough to keep it. I have definitely caught the widescreen bug and will never go back. I'm open the hunt for a LCD that I can do my design and web work on(photoshop, flash etc) and play FPS games. I also need something without glass because my office is 50% windows and I can barely see my screen on sunny days.

So the things I like:

- No motion blur in games that I can see. I play a lot of FPS games and on prior tried LCD's the side to side turning would create motion blur that would make me sick to my stomach. This monitor is a real treat to game on.
- Contrast to brightness is more than enough and quite pleasing.
- Did I mention widescreen?
- Once tweaked whites are white and color reproduction is very good with one exception(see dislikes)
- The stand is firm and looks pleasing on the desk too.
- I can do most graphic design and web work and I say most(see dislikes)

and my dislikes:

- Banding in the dark colors(gradients). As reviews state this monitor struggles with blacks and charcoals. Gradients in the deeper ranges suffer not smoothing out until mid tones.
- TEXT. Yes text. I know it looks good most of the time but when it comes down to the fine stuff this ones slacking. Dynamic text and pixel fonts are strong. Small size standard fonts is where this monitor suffers. When using standard fonts in sizes from 6 - roughly 14 the text gives off the appearance of tearing. This I fear could be enough for me to send this back as working in those font ranges is critical to my design work.
- Backlight bleed of course, if I decide to stay with this monitor I will be exchanging it only for this reason.
- * The anti-glare coating. There are times you don't even notice it and there's times when it casts almost a crystallized effect. I don't think this is a deal breaker, pretty sure I'd get used to it, but it can be annoying.

I've previously owned 5 lcd's and returned all do to each having a fault or two that bother me. Unfortunately I need a monitor that can handle gaming and design work while freeing up desk space. I've tried the Samsung 204T and it is by far the best LCD I've personally come across for design work. It was excellent in color repro and gradients, and handled all text sizes with ease. unfortunately it went back because I am one of those people highly sensitive to motion blur with sub 8ms lcd's.

This monitor I would highly recommend for those who want to game widescreen and surf the web. Photo editing and most graphic design would be ok, but for fine detail work I would avoid this LCD.

So if anyone else is not experiencing the tearing in text and banding let me know. Maybe I just have a lemon and should try another.

Well little follow up to things. I did exchange my first one and trying another in hopes the first was a lemon. Well nope it wasn't. Text is still as poor as the first one and trust me I tried all the tricks to make it better.

Anyways I'll give a quick review once more for those looking at this one.

Aesthetics - 9/10 - The Black and Silver finish fits in with my office space quite nicely and the stand does look cooler in person. I though from ealry pictures it may be cheesy. It really looks nie on my desk, pity it has to go back.

Anti-Glare Coating - 6.5/10 - So much for anti-glare. My home office is 50% windows and as I speak it's a beautiful sunny day. I'm getting half the glare of a CRT, but no where near the glare reduction of an LCD without this coating. Also think this adds a blur effect to things at times.

Color Repro - 8/10 - Bold strong colors most of the time but can seem washed out as well.

Banding - 7.5/10 - She's not perfect but she tries. Dark colors suffer here, black to white gradients aren't smooth throught the charcoals and dark greys. The only stepping noticable is from black to the first grey it produces after that it's fairly smooth with some minor ripples.

Text - 5/10 - Yes a 5. For web surfing and general desktop use text is fine and I would give it a 8 there. Unfortunately vector fonts suffer severely in sizes sub 18pt. There is noticable bleeding on fonts, almost a ghosted double image. Graphic designers beware.

Gaming/Respnose time - 9.5/10 - I must say once you game widescreen you'll never go back. I suffer for motion blur sickness.. lol yes I do. There were many a night on previously tried LCD's where I had headaches and a blah stomach. If you want to see motion blur from this LCD the you'd you have to go looking for it. I'm shocked at how well this monitor handles the constant turning side to side of FPS games.

Pictures/Photos - 7.5/10 - High res photos are quite fine here, but for images saved at lower quality settings pixelization is present. I mention this fact because if the girlfriend points it out then it's there for sure. I've nit-picked lcd's beacuse of this issue before and she always says oh it's fine, but this time she pointed it out. Almost gives the appearance of a .29 pot pitch LCD rather than .25.

* Just my 2 cents and everyone's got their own thresh hold of what's good and bad, but I hope this helps.

Final Thoughts - I'm comparing this LCD to my personal fav the Samsung 204T. By far the best graphic design LCD for under $700 that I have worked with. The Samsung produces text at CRT quality and colors are hard to beat. Never once did I have a banding issue with the 204T. However the Samsung is not even in the same league as the 2025 when it comes to gaming. I myself will keep looking for a better compromise in an LCD, I'm sure something is right around the corner.

Please feel free to post or PM me if you want me to check anything on this LCD. I'm keeping it for my remaining 13 days of Best Buy return policy just cause gaming is so blood fun!

[sanitystream]

Oh stupid me, I posted the wrong link. D'oh!

Can a Viewsonic owner look at this gradient screen and tell me if you see banding?

http://xtknight.atothosting.com/lcdtest/purplegreen2.png


thanks.

[DasFox]

Oh stupid me, I posted the wrong link. D'oh!

Can a Viewsonic owner look at this gradient screen and tell me if you see banding?

http://xtknight.atothosting.com/lcdtest/purplegreen2.png


thanks.


You don't need to be a Viewsonic user to have banding, LOL. I take it you are not familar with this. LOOK at this URL at the TOP picture, notice the STRIPES?

http://www.indiboi.com/journal/images/sony_lcd_problem.jpg

That is BANDING my boy :)

You don't seem to have that in the picture you posted. :)

ALOHA

P.S. Another pic with banding ---> http://www.ausmedia.com.au/Panasonic/LM1BANDTEST.gif

[sanitystream]

DasFox - I asked for a Viewsonic owner to look at the link because on my Dell 2007 there is very noticeable banding. I want to know how the Viewsonic does with it.

Do you own a Viewsonic?

[KingPing]

for as I know Viewsonic "streches" everything :(

[DigitalEdge]

Well little follow up to things. I did exchange my first one and trying another in hopes the first was a lemon. Well nope it wasn't. Text is still as poor as the first one and trust me I tried all the tricks to make it better.

Anyways I'll give a quick review once more for those looking at this one.

Aesthetics - 9/10 - The Black and Silver finish fits in with my office space quite nicely and the stand does look cooler in person. I though from ealry pictures it may be cheesy. It really looks nie on my desk, pity it has to go back.

Anti-Glare Coating - 6.5/10 - So much for anti-glare. My home office is 50% windows and as I speak it's a beautiful sunny day. I'm getting half the glare of a CRT, but no where near the glare reduction of an LCD without this coating. Also think this adds a blur effect to things at times.

Color Repro - 8/10 - Bold strong colors most of the time but can seem washed out as well.

Banding - 7.5/10 - She's not perfect but she tries. Dark colors suffer here, black to white gradients aren't smooth throught the charcoals and dark greys. The only stepping noticable is from black to the first grey it produces after that it's fairly smooth with some minor ripples.

Text - 5/10 - Yes a 5. For web surfing and general desktop use text is fine and I would give it a 8 there. Unfortunately vector fonts suffer severely in sizes sub 18pt. There is noticable bleeding on fonts, almost a ghosted double image. Graphic designers beware.

Gaming/Respnose time - 9.5/10 - I must say once you game widescreen you'll never go back. I suffer for motion blur sickness.. lol yes I do. There were many a night on previously tried LCD's where I had headaches and a blah stomach. If you want to see motion blur from this LCD the you'd you have to go looking for it. I'm shocked at how well this monitor handles the constant turning side to side of FPS games.

Pictures/Photos - 7.5/10 - High res photos are quite fine here, but for images saved at lower quality settings pixelization is present. I mention this fact because if the girlfriend points it out then it's there for sure. I've nit-picked lcd's beacuse of this issue before and she always says oh it's fine, but this time she pointed it out. Almost gives the appearance of a .29 pot pitch LCD rather than .25.

* Just my 2 cents and everyone's got their own thresh hold of what's good and bad, but I hope this helps.

Final Thoughts - I'm comparing this LCD to my personal fav the Samsung 204T. By far the best graphic design LCD for under $700 that I have worked with. The Samsung produces text at CRT quality and colors are hard to beat. Never once did I have a banding issue with the 204T. However the Samsung is not even in the same league as the 2025 when it comes to gaming. I myself will keep looking for a better compromise in an LCD, I'm sure something is right around the corner.

Please feel free to post or PM me if you want me to check anything on this LCD. I'm keeping it for my remaining 13 days of Best Buy return policy just cause gaming is so blood fun!


You never use the worrd cleartype? I using it and my type looks excellent.
Clear Type (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypePowerToy.mspx)

Could be a issue with your graphic card settings or somthing of that nature what card you running and also are you using the DVI?

[DigitalEdge]

sorry double post

[DasFox]

DasFox - I asked for a Viewsonic owner to look at the link because on my Dell 2007 there is very noticeable banding. I want to know how the Viewsonic does with it.

Do you own a Viewsonic?


Well banding if you know can happen on any LCD. With the Viewsonic yes they strecth, because there is no Aspect Ratio adjustments like the Dell has.

No I don't own a Viewsonic, but I know about the problem. But from your picture you posted there does not seem to appear any banding issue as I said eariler, so what are you worried about now?

You don't have a banding problem, at least none that you can see on that picture. If still worried about banding post a picture with your desktop background in it, and a few other varied images to look at.

Make sure you use the DVI INPUT, not analog for better image quality.

ALOHA

[Eagle156]

Ehhhh are you sure you know what banding is fox?

[sanitystream]

You don't have a banding problem, at least none that you can see on that picture. If still worried about banding post a picture with your desktop background in it, and a few other varied images to look at.



You're misunderstanding this whole thing. That link is not a photo of my monitor. It's a gradient test pattern that should exhibit no signs of banding on a good monitor. On my 2007WFP, when I visit the link I see definite banding. When I look at it with my CRT, I don't. So I'm asking a Viewsonic owner to look at the same link and tell me what they see on their monitor.

Here's the link again if some Viewsonic owner will simply look at it and tell me how the pattern appears on their monitor:

http://xtknight.atothosting.com/lcdtest/purplegreen2.png

[wheels2040]

I dont see any banding on my VX2025wm.

[tankkid]

You're misunderstanding this whole thing. That link is not a photo of my monitor. It's a gradient test pattern that should exhibit no signs of banding on a good monitor. On my 2007WFP, when I visit the link I see definite banding. When I look at it with my CRT, I don't. So I'm asking a Viewsonic owner to look at the same link and tell me what they see on their monitor.

Here's the link again if some Viewsonic owner will simply look at it and tell me how the pattern appears on their monitor:

http://xtknight.atothosting.com/lcdtest/purplegreen2.png

I just switched between my princeton 17 and my viewsonic and the difference was remarkable. there is NO banding on the viewsonic

[miskari]

i've been hearing some realy nightmare stories abt this monitor, it was definately my top choise ut i dunno. i read that one guy's monitor atarted smoking in first two days, and also some other issuse :(