120Hz LCD Info Thread

Michaelius said:
Is there anything worth waiting for in this new viewsonic ?

Will LEDs give it any edge over LG or Alienware when it comes to picture quality ?
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No, it will just have lower power usage. Only really high end LED panels make a difference to picture quality.
 
I'm still pissed about windows 7 not supporting 120hz, or my 170hz CRT's! 85hz doesn't cut it for me :p
 
For some reason that didn't work for me, I also tried to remove that pin which prevents it from reading it as a plug n play monitor.

I'll review the steps again and give it another shot.

Honestly, why can't windows just patch this?
 
§·H·ï·Z·N·ï·L·T·ï;1036200456 said:
I'm still pissed about windows 7 not supporting 120hz, or my 170hz CRT's! 85hz doesn't cut it for me :p
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Woah hold on. Windows 7 doesn't support 120hz?

So most of the people with 120hz displays either:

A)Don't know and arent running 120hz
B) Running XP?
C) all used this "hack"

Is this true??
 
Petey1013,

Yep, by default windows 7 standards the highest you can run is 85hz.

Most that buy the 120hz LCD's probably don't know that they can't use them to there full potential.

I doubt everyone goes through those steps and creates custom drivers, it's confusing to a user with basic knowledge.

I'm thinking of going back to XP so I can run 1600x1200 @ 100hz which looked and felt awesome on my CRT and also be able to run my TWL/CAL gaming resolution of 1360x768 @ 170hz which is formatted proportionately with black bars on top and bottom of screen keeping it in a 16:9 aspect ratio... CS:S/COD2/COD4 at 170hz/fps gave me a huge advantage over players running slow 60hz LCD setups with input lag.

SONY GDM520 CRT FTW!!!!
 
§·H·ï·Z·N·ï·L·T·ï;1036200999 said:
Most that buy the 120hz LCD's probably don't know that they can't use them to there full potential.
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The 85hz cap is a CRT only issue. LCDs work at 120hz out of the box. They have to or else 3D would not work.
 
Just looked more into it and it's only some windows 7 users that are having issues with 120hz LCD's, looks like majority will work out of box with standard driver.
 
LOL, I had noticed the difference if it ran 85Hz or 120Hz or 60Hz immediatly (I'm used to 100Hz on CRT). Worked great with standard driver for me with my 120Hz LCD.
 
Quick question.

Are the new "3D" TVs like the Panasonic VT series 120hz inputs?

Or is it more new fangled wizardry that couldn't double as a monitor?
 
Petey1013 said:
Quick question.

Are the new "3D" TVs like the Panasonic VT series 120hz inputs?

Or is it more new fangled wizardry that couldn't double as a monitor?
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"fangled wizardry"

I would like to say I fully understand it. Here is how I understand it and I could or am most likely 100% off. They are still using multiples of 24fps for the 120hrz, the 3D comes from higher bandwidth HDMI not transmitting one 120hrz image, but 2 images at 24fps each which at then mixed on the TV and interpreted via the glasses synced with the TV, not the Blu-ray player. Hence again a fake up converted 120hrz or in this case since its 2 24fps images, 240hrz. On a computer the images are mixed and the glasses are synced via the PC, so it sends one 120hrz image to the monitor or 2 pre mixed 60hrz images. I could go into how this system guarantees that TVs stay expensive and how you need to upgrade everything for 3D to work (including 5.1 systems that use HDMI), but NV also makes sure the drivers recognize the monitors and have their seal of approval on it, not very open either.
 
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Petey1013 said:
Quick question.

Are the new "3D" TVs like the Panasonic VT series 120hz inputs?

Or is it more new fangled wizardry that couldn't double as a monitor?
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Will work with 3D movies like PowerDVD10 mark2.

But not for gaming yet.

Nvidia/ATI has not released drivers for 3D on 3DTVs.

Nvidia has promised to release 3D vision for 3DTVs but their drivers should have been released month ago.

Latest gen graphic cards have HDMI 1.4 and have high enough bandwidth for real 120hz 1080P.
 
What is with Benq and the asymetric designs....that little tab on the lower right just visually annoys me. Reminds me of that one with the off center stand.
 
That BenQ actually looks pretty slick. I dont mind the little contusion coming out of the lower right corner. It's got height/pivot as well. This could definitely be a winner for them. Like the next GD2400/V2400
 
I like Benq, in fact I have a G2400WD and it is fantastic, but I just with they stuck with symetrical designs.
 
Petey1013 said:
Quick question.

Are the new "3D" TVs like the Panasonic VT series 120hz inputs?

Or is it more new fangled wizardry that couldn't double as a monitor?
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The vt25 has a screen which can refresh at 120hz. It cannot accept 120Hz signal over hdmi, however it can display 720p120. This works if the 1280x720 signal is sent as ~1280x1440@60hz and then cut and displayed as 720p120. This comes straight out of the blu-ray standard for 3d and is the only reason this TV is likely to be able to to this. While this may result in smoother motion, because the input is 60hz it'll be the same as any other 60hz lcd in terms for fps delay. The panel doesn't have the hdmi chips in-place for this same process for 1920x2160, nor true 120hz input. So 720p is the highest resolution for what this 120hz panel is somewhat useful for, if the input signal can actually be generated. lol. There are similar issues for most of the current, (1st) generation, large-size 3D LCD and Plasma TVs. Most reviews for large TVs are pretty vague, and none of this stuff is clearly mentioned by the manufacturer either. Doesn't appear as though anyone has done any concrete testing, though.
 
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I was under the impression that the VT25 and GT24 series Panasonic TVs support full 1080p 3D. From what I remember, they can do 1920x1080x2@24p just fine. The reason the 1280x720x2@60p is being tossed around is because the nVidia 3DTV play software is limited by the HDMI bandwidth; current cards are only HDMI 1.3a capable, and the addition of an uncompressed audio track to the signal takes up the remaining bandwidth.

It's like the new announcement that the PS3 can do full 1080p 3D, but only use a bitstream audio track.
 
Sorry, how I posted before was vague. The TVs in general have higher resolutions than 720p, I was referring to the highest resolution that pertains to this thread. Yes, the displays can do 1080px2x24, 1080p60, but this has little to do with 120Hz input.
 
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DarkAngel_ZERO said:
I was under the impression that the VT25 and GT24 series Panasonic TVs support full 1080p 3D. From what I remember, they can do 1920x1080x2@24p just fine. The reason the 1280x720x2@60p is being tossed around is because the nVidia 3DTV play software is limited by the HDMI bandwidth; current cards are only HDMI 1.3a capable, and the addition of an uncompressed audio track to the signal takes up the remaining bandwidth.

It's like the new announcement that the PS3 can do full 1080p 3D, but only use a bitstream audio track.
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Nvidia 460-480 have HDMI 1.4. Maximum video throughput 8.16 Gbit. Should be enough for 1080P 120 hz.
 
So October is coming so soooon, and still no word on a release date for the 27" Asus, or the 24" without the glasses.
 
I am about to buy a new monitor and I'm probably just going to go IPS... but I've always been curious about the whole 120Hz craze. Does anyone know any retail stores here in the States that actually have 120Hz monitors to demo?
 
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The BenQ XL2410T look's sweet! Designed for gamers. BenQ specifically said they went all out eliminating input lag and ghosting as best they could. Sounds like a winner! I'll be ordering the XL2410T to replace my fourth monitor, a current 22" 120Hz to round out my setup as soon as it's available for purchase.
 
One thing I find interesting is they mention about using 120Hz at resolutions like 800x600... suppose these guys have only been able to test it with a nvidia gfx card then cuz I find it highly unlikely that this issue could be bypassed without editing/fixing ATI drivers... this is a thing that still worries me, my GTX 280 is dying and I need to get a new card but I'm trying to hold out for Barts as I think it will probably be the best choice out there but I'm unsure if I really want an ATI card if I'm limited to 120Hz at only native res...
 
RPGWiZaRD said:
BenQ XL2410T 120Hz is already available (in stock!) in Sweden and some people should have theirs in beginning of next week!

http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=703579 - ~4000 SEK, should be about $400.

You may also want to read this, this monitor looks to have some rather unique features, features that should easily make this the best gaming monitor out there as long as input lag isn't too high.

http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=102:xl2410t&catid=37:news
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It says CCFL backlighting in that first link, doh? :) Should be LED right?

Anyone know what anti-glare it has? The second link says the display is made so there is no reflections of people and lights during competitions so does that mean a matte display?
 
Nightbird said:
It says CCFL backlighting in that first link, doh? :) Should be LED right?

Anyone know what anti-glare it has? The second link says the display is made so there is no reflections of people and lights during competitions so does that mean a matte display?
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LED backlit displays as computers do nothing at all in terms of impacting the quality. More often then not they produce a washed out picture and hard to get the colors right during calibration. CCFL is still just fine for PC monitors.
 
Sure the BenQ will have an AG coating. Virtually no desktop monitors are glossy besides the two Apple displays.
 
Vega said:
Sure the BenQ will have an AG coating. Virtually no desktop monitors are glossy besides the two Apple displays.
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there are actually plenty of glossy monitors. I hate them and I also hate reflective shiny bezels.
 
I think one of you talked about the screen itself and the other about the bezel and yea that's the point with this display to also have a non reflecting bezel which is the opposite what we're seeing with like at least 80% of the monitors today...

The only negative thing I see about the design is possibly the non-symmetrical design with the buttons at the right side, this would be annoying to users using multiple displays. Not that buying 3x 120Hz LCDs is a common thing but some people would.

EDIT: Check out BenQ's homepage for more info and yes it says it's LED so don't worry about that and they even made 2 videos featuring spawn and heaton from CS http://benq.eu/products/LCD/index.cfm/product/1223

I skimmed through the manual quickly and found the OSD has quite lots of settings, the possible display modes are overscan, full, aspect, 1:1, 17" (5:4, 1280x1024), 19"(5:4, 1280x1024), 19"W(doesn't say aspect ratio but prolly 16:9, 1440x900), 22" (doesn't say aspect ratio but prolly 16:10, 1680x1050). The color settings, besides the standard normal, warm, cold (which are actually named reddish and bluish on this BenQ) and custom tweakable RGB settings, it's also got Gamma, Hue, Saturation(built-in "Digital vibrance" yay! :p) and AMA which says "improves grey level response time" (Overdrive maybe?). Then we have "Senseye demo", display 2 windows with the "standard" settings to left and the current settings to the right for comparision. Then there's this "Instant mode" setting to remove input lag(!) (similar to LG) etc. Sounds good? All this for probably around $400 only. :D
 
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DarkAngel_ZERO said:
I was under the impression that the VT25 and GT24 series Panasonic TVs support full 1080p 3D. From what I remember, they can do 1920x1080x2@24p just fine. The reason the 1280x720x2@60p is being tossed around is because the nVidia 3DTV play software is limited by the HDMI bandwidth; current cards are only HDMI 1.3a capable, and the addition of an uncompressed audio track to the signal takes up the remaining bandwidth.

It's like the new announcement that the PS3 can do full 1080p 3D, but only use a bitstream audio track.
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There is no additional AV bandwidth in HDMI 1.4 over 1.3 (10.2Gbps single link).
 
Asus is most likely waiting for the LCD panel manufacturer to spool up. They will be the first using a 120Hz 27", so they can't just buy one of the 23.6" 120Hz panels that are already available.
 
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