HP LP2475w (Possible new IPS)

You may find interesting example regarding color managing in full screen applications over here: http://www.driverheaven.net/vista-ra...r-profile.html

/nugaa

Originally Posted by nugaa

You may find interesting example regarding color managing in full screen applications over here: http://www.driverheaven.net/vista-ra...r-profile.html

/nugaa

Thank you that was very insightful. I do have a few questions though.

ATI Color Control - custom color profile

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Hello,
I bought a Spyder color calibration tool, great and very usefull. Now I have a custom color profile for my monitor.
The problem is the following : each time I launch a game, my custom profile is swapped and the color are set to default.
----- HERE's THE ANSWER :
After several days searching for an answer, here it is : use Powerstrip to manage your colour settings !
Powerstrip will enforce the colour settings even in games. As you know, custom color profile will load data into the Color Lookup Table of your Graphic Card, but the ATI driver will erase everything to default when you launch game : your custom profile is lost.
Powerstrip is able to enforce this, and because Powerstrip work at driver level, if the ATI Color Control erase the data, Powerstrip will set them back automatically without warning the ATI Driver, so you can keep your colour profile all the time, even in games.
Note : to import a custom ICC/ICM into Powerstrip, just capture your LUT after it has been properly loaded.
Now I have binded some profiles with Powerstrip on my keyboard (with different gamma levels), and I can have fun changing the profile for different games (works inside the game) and for my desktop.
So Powerstrip is THE answer for colour managing with ATI driver. It cost some money (20 euros) but it worth it, no problems.

If i use powerstrip, will it mess with my calibration outside of games ? Also can powestrip color manage for Nvidia 8800 GTS instead of an ATI graphics card ?

Also is anyone of the opinion that the powerstrip provides the correct color calibration based on the ICC calibration done for the monitor ? Any thoughts on this


I'm currently reading this other thread to understand this better

http://forums.entechtaiwan.net/viewt...e16c74f8a41411

If i use powerstrip, will it mess with my calibration outside of games ? Also can powestrip color manage for Nvidia 8800 GTS instead of an ATI graphics card ?

Its try-before-you-buy-it so you should try it yourself. I'd suppose it has the support because 8800 GTS is not that new. It has support to all kinds of cards

Also is anyone of the opinion that the powerstrip provides the correct color calibration based on the ICC calibration done for the monitor ? Any thoughts on this

Im not sure what you mean but powerstrip loads the ICC from GFX card's LUT and provides it to the OS. It is just bunch of numbers to be interped by the OS so I don't see why would it create any deviations

Its a very nice program that I've used like for the last decade to do all kinds of stuff to my monitor settings

recalibrated.

Brightness: 1

Contrast: 80

R: 250

G: 230

B: 255




So hopefully after disabling nvidia driver software, BCC loader from msconfig, AND also disabling firewall and UAC in Vista ultimate 64bit SP1. I only let my Eye Match software loader work on startup. my calibration should be more or less the same result after review later. I hope

$625, free shipping, no tax (in NY) from PCNation

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nugaa, thanks for the link about PowerStrip possibly being a way to force monitor calibration when gaming. But the description confused me. Do you think he was saying that PowerStrip only worked when playing games in a windowed mode or when in full screen mode. He really confused me. Plus, if you assigned a hot key, couldn't you use that in game regardless of windowed/fullscreen mode?

Any USA buyers, please confirm the USA version of this monitor is an IPS panel. Thanks.

Originally Posted by logikx

$625, free shipping, no tax (in NY) from PCNation

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Cost Central also has it with free shipping and a few pennies cheaper than PCNation
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Very good RGB settings for calibation Moogle. I thought that a contrast of 80 would bee too much for my eyes , but it is OK. I Recalibrated it with a Spyder 3 Elite and will keep this icm profile. Thanks for the info.

Deadman3000 :

As you requested yesterday here is a rapidshare link with two profiles and info to set Contrast/Brighteness and RGB. You must use a LUT loader to load them at startup. "Adobe Gamma Loader" shoud be able to do the job (Be careful with Nvidia or ATI control pannels being launched at startup. They tend to conflict with LUT Loaders. Disable them in msconfig or with a startup manager, if you have one.

http://rapidshare.com/files/14447288...FILES.rar.html

Hope it helps !

That's awesome.

I actually own PowerStrip so I'll try this out on my WCG screens and see what it brings.

Thanks much!

Originally Posted by nugaa

You may find interesting example regarding color managing in full screen applications over here: http://www.driverheaven.net/vista-ra...r-profile.html

/nugaa

Originally Posted by 10e

That's awesome.

I actually own PowerStrip so I'll try this out on my WCG screens and see what it brings.

Thanks much!

A step in the right direction I guess, but this almost certainly just keeping your calibrated LUT - IOW your gamma adjustments. It won't (can't) make games read the profile and do color space conversions.

So wide gamut monitors will still be out of gamut, but the gamma curve will be corrected.

Keep it up guys, in 4 years when I need a new monitor wide gamut glitches might be worked out.

Hello! First post.

I'm new, I'm frustrated, and I'm hoping that you smart people will tell me what to do. After being caught up in the Dell 2408 debacle (bought, returned, full refund), I've been trying to fill in my substantial knowledge gaps and finally make a good purchase.

Within the next few days, I'm either going to buy this HP or an Apple Cinema Screen 23" to hook up to my new Mac Pro. I'm a graphic designer, so color is definitely important to me. However, I'm not shooting for ultimate perfection here, it just needs to be solid. I'd rather have something that also works as a great all-around display.

Wide gamut scares me. I am not a gamer. I am poor, and I need a monitor to get moving on this freelance work!!!

Most importantly, I need the type to look SHARP. I am a typography nerd. My eyes were practically bleeding with the Dell 2408.

I understand the limitations with the Apple display (older, lack of inputs, soon to be updated just so I can feel like an asshole for shelling out so much cash but I don't really have a choice). I work on one every day so I know that it will suit my needs and probably be hassle free, and I get a small discount through my employer. (Please no snarky anti-Apple comments.)

For the price of the Apple, I could buy this HP AND a decent calibrator, and maybe win at life for once.

So:
-Are there any Mac-specific issues I should be aware of with the HP?
-Any thoughts on HP returns or customer service? Dell not only gave me a full refund with no restocking fee, but also paid return shipping.

I was hoping to save myself more credit card debt, but at this point I really just need something to WORK, asap, and with a minimum of stress.

Which should I buy?

Thank you; hope I'm not annoying...

If this is primarily a work monitor, I would find out if the applications that you use are color managed, if yes then the HP will be fine (with calibrator), if no you might want to consider the Apple. Colors will be fine after you calibrate/profile and use color managed apps. If your work is for the web you will need to be careful to save images as sRGB and use firefox3 with color management turned on to view the web to see what it will look like.

HP backlight modulates down quite nicely so I imagine it is quite easy on the eyes.

Quick update to my post yesterday -- Buy.com just confirmed that my order has shipped. I have a tracking number w/ an expected delivery of this Saturday (prolly Monday).

Good for Buy.com to get it shipped, although my prior grievances still stand.

Just got mine today. I am very impressed with the build quality and it just looks great. I dont have a calibrator so I may mess with some of the settings that have been posted and see what i like best. Its going to take a bit to get my eyes use to all this real estate coming from a 17" lcd.

Originally Posted by Lux

Very good RGB settings for calibation Moogle. I thought that a contrast of 80 would bee too much for my eyes , but it is OK. I Recalibrated it with a Spyder 3 Elite and will keep this icm profile. Thanks for the info.

Deadman3000 :

As you requested yesterday here is a rapidshare link with two profiles and info to set Contrast/Brighteness and RGB. You must use a LUT loader to load them at startup. "Adobe Gamma Loader" shoud be able to do the job (Be careful with Nvidia or ATI control pannels being launched at startup. They tend to conflict with LUT Loaders. Disable them in msconfig or with a startup manager, if you have one.

http://rapidshare.com/files/14447288...FILES.rar.html

Hope it helps !

No problem What deltaE did you get by the way ?


-Amarie i think you would be much happier with a 26'' because text will be bigger at native 1900x1200 compared to a 24'' so it should be more comfortable on the eyes.

The only good 26'' i know are the Hazro and the Nec2690. They have some issues you need to check in the reviews before opting for them though if you can live with them :X all monitors are not perfect.

Originally Posted by plasticquart

Quick update to my post yesterday -- Buy.com just confirmed that my order has shipped. I have a tracking number w/ an expected delivery of this Saturday (prolly Monday).

Mine got shipped too, but the tracking number hasn't propogated yet. Good to hear they may ship on Saturday, and hopefully there's no troubles (I've heard they don't require signature).

Originally Posted by amarie

-Are there any Mac-specific issues I should be aware of with the HP?
-Any thoughts on HP returns or customer service? Dell not only gave me a full refund with no restocking fee, but also paid return shipping.

Good question; I have the same questions from any Mac users out there. I'm looking into the HP for use with a Mac as well. I know that Macs have good color management, when compared to Windows -- as far as I've been able to gather Safari, the DVD player and the various OS windows themselves (Finder, the menus, etc) are all color managed via ColorSync, so they should all render appropriately with the high-gamut monitor. I'm not sure if there will still be problems with sRGB pictures on web pages -- perhaps Safari and Firefox will default images without color profiles to the system profile? Someone who understands this color profile thing better than I will have to fill in there.

WIth my limited knowledge, I suspect that the most correct answer is to pick a monitor with the color profile most matching your target audience. If you're a graphic designer for the web, a regular-gamut (sRGB) monitor is probably the way to go. If you're working in print, a high-gamut monitor is a must, of course. What I don't know is how much it will really hurt you to get the HP for web work. It is cheaper and better in many ways, after all. So hopefully someone else can chip in how much problem it will be
really Any experiences with color management w/ high-gamut monitors on Macs?

I'd also love to hear comparisons among the various venders offering the monitor, and whether anyone expects issues getting service. Dell certainly has a great reputation there.

the availability of these should be putting the doublesight to shame..

and thanks to all posting the good deals and their calibrated color profiles.

Originally Posted by Moogle Stiltzkin

-Amarie i think you would be much happier with a 26'' because text will be bigger at native 1900x1200 compared to a 24'' so it should be more comfortable on the eyes.

Assuming that Amarie means the his/her eyes were bleeding because the text wasn't sharp enough -- i.e. with the red halo that I believe those panels were prone to -- then a 24" is the way to go. The lower pixel pitch will make the text sharper. Smaller too, you're right, but that's the tradeoff.

I've never seen the 26" in person, but I've lived with the 0.270 dot pitch since the CRT days. I'd be worried about getting bigger than that.