Moto Droid vs HTC HD2

So my friend is always raving about his iphone and how it kicks ass etc. He was sorta showing off earlier (when I told him that I might be gettin the droid) by saying that ya all these new phones out claim to be the iphone killer but they don't hold squat to it. Now I actually like the iphone but I have verizon so I can't get it. I also don't want to jump on the bandwagon. My contract is available for an upgrade so I can either by the Droid in 3 more days or wait for the HD2 before 2010 hopefully.

One of the things that has turned me off about the HD2 is that it is running winmo 6.5, now I haven't run a winmo OS since my samsung i730 and I dunno if I want to. Is winmo still a POS that it once was? The 4.3 inch screen is pretty killer though. I also don't know if I'll be able to get use to the touch keyboard (i'm a HUGE txter). However, I wan't something that is very customizable and that has very little lag when I go on the net. I'm going to be surfing a lot on this phone...

This might be a stupid thread since there isn't much info on the HD2 out yet and not many people have gotten there hands on one yet and there plenty of info on the Droid now. I guess I'm just looking for opinions...

The HD2 is by far my favorite of all the smartphones on the way, but WinMo ruins it for me. I've had an iPhone for a few months and the touch keyboard is easy for text/e-mail, IMO.

WinMo just like Windows is what you make of it. It'll run like shit if you don't know how to use it or if you break it with stupid programs. Or it'll be awesome and flexible if you do your research and know your stuff. WinMo is the first thing I look for in a phone.

Unfortunately, you're not going to find anything that browses like the iPhone. Ever.

Originally Posted by Mr. Wolf

The HD2 is by far my favorite of all the smartphones on the way, but WinMo ruins it for me.

Why?

WinMo has become a redheaded stepchild these days and I there HAS been good reason. But devices like the HTC Touch Pro 2 and Imagio I think really have done a fantastic job of getting WinMo on good enough hardware and with the work HTC has done one the interface to make WinMo much better than most people realize.

I was visiting some friends and we were comparing my phone, the Touch Pro 2 with one of their iPhones. Let's just say they were the ones with envy. We did one test playing YouTube videos. Made the iPhone look anemic. Slow and crappy looking play back compared to the TP2. Honestly, the much of iPhone hardware is getting dated.

Now the Droid is a kick ass device, no doubt about it but I'm going to have a hard time going to any device that doesn't have the speaker phone of the TP2. It's amazing. I used it the care on a mount and for short converstations it works great, no need for a bluetooth bud for hands free or even car speakers. The thing is sound loud its just wonderful.

Honestly all the high end phones out are pretty good overall with relative strengths and weaknesses. The TP2 has few weeknessed and I think it'll going to do me well until WinMo 7 is out. But the HD2 is increadiable.

There is supposed to be an Android version of the HD2's hardware called the promised I believe but I'll probably stay on WinMo forever.

Originally Posted by S3th13

Unfortunately, you're not going to find anything that browses like the iPhone. Ever.

Uhh, yes you can. The TP2 does every well against the iPhone. The MUCH better screen kicks the iPhones butt overall. Now the iPhone has the much slicker multi-touch interface and and does feel overall zippier I must admit, but when it comes to actually READING text, the TP2 simply blows the iPhone out of the water.

A more appropriate comparison would be the droid vs the touch pro 2 since they both have hardware keyboards, similar screen sizes and resolutions, similar processor speeds (although the droid's faster clock for clock), and similar memory configs.

The touch pro 2 is actually a great phone even though it runs winmo. It's basically an imagio with a keyboard - and that keyboard is the best one available (light years ahead of the droid's). HTC has done an amazing job with their proprietary interface. It's actually much better than the droid at handling media.

Now, the HD2 has a very similar and slightly upgraded version of HTC's interface but I would say that overall it is a different class of device than the droid and TP2 because it is faster, bigger, and touchscreen only.

I had a tough time deciding between the TP2 and the droid but have decided to give the droid a go. I have 30 days to return the droid if I don't like it.

Despite all of its virtues, the iPhone hardware is showing its age when compared to all of the newer phones...

Heres a review on the droid. If you havent read on it yet. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...-droid-review/
Camera quality leaves more to be desired.

Originally Posted by Mr. Wolf

The HD2 is by far my favorite of all the smartphones on the way, but WinMo ruins it for me. I've had an iPhone for a few months and the touch keyboard is easy for text/e-mail, IMO.

Oi, you and your iphone, you do realize that WinMo has come a super long way and the keyboard on the HD2 is much better then the iPhone keyboard, not to mention the HD2 is much faster and WinMo is amazing, expecially with TouchFlo! HTC has totally made winmo what it is today! Do not let WinMo dissuade you from the HD2, PLEASE!

Honestly, TouchFlo 1.0 seems gimicky at best. Have to flick through contacts, messages, etc. Why? Anyway, I haven't seen anything on the HD2, so I can't really form an opinion about it.

My vote goes for Droid, just because I prefer Android over WinMo. Now if HD2 came in Android OS with Sense UI - I'd be all over that instead.

Originally Posted by S3th13

Honestly, TouchFlo 1.0 seems gimicky at best. Have to flick through contacts, messages, etc. Why? Anyway, I haven't seen anything on the HD2, so I can't really form an opinion about it.

No way! I have TouchFlo running on my Tilt right now, and it just makes WinMo awesome!

OldPueblo: So it's impossible to not like like WinMo because you simply might not like it? My previous experience with WM is irrelevant because I obviously refused to take the time to research and know it. So glad you cleared up my confusion.

heatlesssun: At least you understand that previous versions of WinMo deserved the dismal reputation. I've not used a TP2 so maybe the OS has come a long way since I tried it. If so, then the HD2 might win me over. I'd love to be proven wrong because I'm in love with the HD2

Eragon Dragonslayer: Yes, you warned me about the iPhone. I guess I had to learn the hard way. I truly hope you and heatless are right. You both have told me enough to make me put the HD2 back at the top of my iPhone replacement list. I'm still keeping my options open for Android 2.0, though.

Originally Posted by Mr. Wolf

OldPueblo: So it's impossible to not like like WinMo because you simply might not like it? My previous experience with WM is irrelevant because I obviously refused to take the time to research and know it. So glad you cleared up my confusion.

heatlesssun: At least you understand that previous versions of WinMo deserved the dismal reputation. I've not used a TP2 so maybe the OS has come a long way since I tried it. If so, then the HD2 might win me over. I'd love to be proven wrong because I'm in love with the HD2

Eragon Dragonslayer: Yes, you warned me about the iPhone. I guess I had to learn the hard way. I truly hope you and heatless are right. You both have told me enough to make me put the HD2 back at the top of my iPhone replacement list. I'm still keeping my options open for Android 2.0, though.

It really boils down to what you want in a phone. Just like an desktop OS. I can understand that someone would want a Mac or go Linux because of stability and or malware issues. I think those issues are overplayed in the desktop OS world in relation to Windows but I can understand them nonetheless.

WinMo is an old OS. That said it seems to be amazingly flexible and is a very good device OS. It's just kept its old stylus based interface too long. But I look at my TP2 and it does everything I need and want in a mobile device. Great speaker phone, keybaord, lots of apps for most anything useful, GPS, voice control, good media playback, Flash support, decent selection of eBooks, etc. It's EXTREMELY customizable and if there's something you don't like it can probably be changed by simply installing an app.

I look at all of the modern devices out and none of them are really killers, even the iPhone is kind of ho hum though it has tremendous 3rd party hardware and software support.

I'll take a look at the Droid when it comes out and see what all the fuss is about. So far nothing in the reviews that I've seen seem to really screem wow, except many Google Maps with navigation but even that doesn't do anything that I don't already have.

I think people are just used to saying "WinMo sucks" and it just doesn't on devices like the TP2. TP2 end user statisfaction in VERY high looking Verizon's review site. I imagine that the Droid won't be any different. Great device, but not really anything that's so amazing that it doesn't already exist.

The Windows Mobile platform was designed for business use. The IPhone was designed for the general user and has less priority on business use. When PDA's originally came out they were almost 100% used by business professionals. You used to never see a kid walking around with a PDA unless he was [H] of course. With this in mind Windows Mobile really never had a need to focus on the beauty end of things only on raw functionality. However, now that every phone is slowly transitioning to PDA territory Windows Mobile has to catch up in the UI department to attact the new younger less professional market. If the IPhone was really targeting the professional market they would have included exchange in the original OS, but they waited until complaints mounted before enabling its functionality.

I rely heavily on Outlook exchange, push email, remote desktop, etc. Windows Mobile has always handled these tasks very well. I am not sure about email programs on other OS's, but Outlook on the Windows Mobile platform allows me to sync multiple folders in my email as well as adjust the size of email information retrieved from the server, type of info retrieved, size of attachements retrieved, date range retrieved, and many other options. I can setup Gmail, Hotmail and mostly any other email program to push email through the Outlook interface. I also enjoy the auto sorting of Outlook email based on the sender or subject line. You can write custom scripts for sorting email to specific folders.

Originally Posted by Blk02

The Windows Mobile platform was designed for business use. The IPhone was designed for the general user and has less priority on business use. When PDA's originally came out they were almost 100% used by business professionals. You used to never see a kid walking around with a PDA unless he was [H] of course. With this in mind Windows Mobile really never had a need to focus on the beauty end of things only on raw functionality. However, now that every phone is slowly transitioning to PDA territory Windows Mobile has to catch up in the UI department to attact the new younger less professional market. If the IPhone was really targeting the professional market they would have included exchange in the original OS, but they waited until complaints mounted before enabling its functionality.

I rely heavily on Outlook exchange, push email, remote desktop, etc. Windows Mobile has always handled these tasks very well. I am not sure about email programs on other OS's, but Outlook on the Windows Mobile platform allows me to sync multiple folders in my email as well as adjust the size of email information retrieved from the server, type of info retrieved, size of attachements retrieved, date range retrieved, and many other options. I can setup Gmail, Hotmail and mostly any other email program to push email through the Outlook interface. I also enjoy the auto sorting of Outlook email based on the sender or subject line. You can write custom scripts for sorting email to specific folders.

Noob question, but you can do remote desktop through your phone? That is pretty sweet!

I can VPN, RDP, and use Citrix from my Windows Mobile phone

Originally Posted by Blk02

The Windows Mobile platform was designed for business use. The IPhone was designed for the general user and has less priority on business use. When PDA's originally came out they were almost 100% used by business professionals. You used to never see a kid walking around with a PDA unless he was [H] of course. With this in mind Windows Mobile really never had a need to focus on the beauty end of things only on raw functionality. However, now that every phone is slowly transitioning to PDA territory Windows Mobile has to catch up in the UI department to attact the new younger less professional market. If the IPhone was really targeting the professional market they would have included exchange in the original OS, but they waited until complaints mounted before enabling its functionality.

I rely heavily on Outlook exchange, push email, remote desktop, etc. Windows Mobile has always handled these tasks very well. I am not sure about email programs on other OS's, but Outlook on the Windows Mobile platform allows me to sync multiple folders in my email as well as adjust the size of email information retrieved from the server, type of info retrieved, size of attachements retrieved, date range retrieved, and many other options. I can setup Gmail, Hotmail and mostly any other email program to push email through the Outlook interface. I also enjoy the auto sorting of Outlook email based on the sender or subject line. You can write custom scripts for sorting email to specific folders.

Random question, is it still like 7 clicks to view an email in full HTML? It used to be like.

1) click email
2) open email
3) x's everywhere where the pics should be
4) click download pictures
5) are you sure you want to download pictures? yes
6) pictures and everything is downloaded I can now view email as intended


I always hated this on my TouchPro, I am hoping they have changed this so by default, it downloads all pictures, and you can view email in full HTML format

Originally Posted by wrxdrunkie

Random question, is it still like 7 clicks to view an email in full HTML? It used to be like.

1) click email
2) open email
3) x's everywhere where the pics should be
4) click download pictures
5) are you sure you want to download pictures? yes
6) pictures and everything is downloaded I can now view email as intended


I always hated this on my TouchPro, I am hoping they have changed this so by default, it downloads all pictures, and you can view email in full HTML format

You can setup the account in Pocket Outlook to download full emails. In the version on my TP2 you only have to click download pictures once if you don't have pictures set to auto download.

Pocket Outlook is dated for sure but it's usable.

iPhone and Pre have the best mobile browsers period.
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