Whos buying COD:MW2?

I'm going to wait and see if the SP is long enough for me (10-12hr) then I might buy.

might pick it up when it's $10 a year from now to give the single player a play through.

CoD4 is still 40 bucks a pop at most places, what almost 3 years after release>? I don't expect MW2 to be any different.

Bought L4D2 instead

ikd i want to for pc

Originally Posted by ebeattie

If Im going to spend the money on building the rig at the top of my post, then I sure as shit demand a game that will give me a return of satisfaction EQUAL to the money I dropped in my system. Historically, the two games that did it for me were Call Of Duty and Battlefield.

Same here, BF and CoD are the only franchises that justifies a gaming rig for me.

Originally Posted by pigwalk

CoD4 is still 40 bucks a pop at most places, what almost 3 years after release>? I don't expect MW2 to be any different.

It is only still that high in price because of the massive online community. That is what is still bringing new players into the fold. Demand for the game is still high enough to warrant it not being in the $10 bin. TF2 still normally sells for near launch prices on Steam for the same reason. I don't think MW2 will hold it's value like CoD4 and TF2 did. It will sell at $60 at launch, and when the MP does not take off, which it will not on the PC side, it will rapidly fall in price over the following 6 months. Like most most other games do. With the no mod, and no dedicated server handicaps, it has no chance of becoming the next Q3, UT99, TF2, CoD4, and certainly no chance of becoming the next CS/CS:S. It's going to be the next F.E.A.R. 2.

No Dedicated Servers + No Server List + "Not Balanced for Lean" = No Buy from me, I'll borrow my little brother's copy once they beat it on X360. Total bummer, was my most anticipated multiplayer game of the Holiday season.

Cevat Yerli of Crytek, the makers of Far Cry, Crysis and Crysis Warhead has publicly stated:

We are suffering currently from the huge piracy that is encompassing Crysis. We seem to lead the charts in piracy by a large margin, a chart leading that is not desirable. I believe that’s the core problem of PC Gaming, piracy, to the degree [that PC gamers who] pirate games inherently destroy the platform. Similar games on consoles sell factors of 4-5 more. It was a big lesson for us and I believe we won’t have PC exclusives as we did with Crysis in future.

John Carmack, often called the 'father of PC gaming', and co-founder of id software, makers of the Doom and Quake series, recently stated:

It's hard to second guess exactly what the reasons are. You can say piracy. You can say user migration, but the ground truth is just that the sales numbers on the PC are not what they used to be and are not what they are on the consoles.

Cliffy B, lead creator at Epic Games, makers of the Unreal Tournament and Gears of Wars series, has been quite outspoken on this topic:

Here's the problem right now; the person who is savvy enough to want to have a good PC to upgrade their video card, is a person who is savvy enough to know bit torrent to know all the elements so they can pirate software. Therefore, high-end videogames are suffering very much on the PC. Right now, it makes sense for us to focus on Xbox 360 for a number of reasons. Not least PCs with multiple configurations and piracy.

Chris Taylor of Gas Powered Games, makers of Supreme Commander, also chimes in with his assessment:

...people are going to stop making [games] on the PC because of my earlier point, what's happened on the PC with piracy. The economics are ugly right now on the PC. You're not going to see these gigantic, epic investments of dollars on the PC when it just doesn't work. The economics have to work. You're going to see those investments made on the console side and it's going to become a more console-centric investment. And then you're going to see them ported back over to the PC and that creates a different experience on the PC.

Robert Bowling, Community Manager at Infinity Ward, the makers of games such as Call of Duty 2 and Call of Duty 4, provided a fairly blunt opinion on the issue. He made a blog post entitled 'They Wonder Why People Don’t Make PC Games Any More', the title of his post along with the contents clearly linking the move away from PC game development with piracy:

On another PC related note, we pulled some disturbing numbers this past week about the amount of PC players currently playing Multiplayer (which was fantastic). What wasn’t fantastic was the percentage of those numbers who were playing on stolen copies of the game on stolen / cracked CD keys of pirated copies (and that was only people playing online).... the amount of people who pirate PC games is astounding.

I realize that PC-only games have become a niche thing these days, but there is a big difference between developing a game exclusively for the PC and doing a competent port job. Just because only 20% of your sales come from the PC doesn't mean that it's smart to flush that 20% down the toilet by saving 1% of your development budget by not implementing features standard to PC games.

Companies that make multi-platform games are giving PC gamers no reason to buy their games and are surprised that the only people willing to play them are the people who don't pay for them. There still is a useful market of PC gamers out there who pay for their games, but the only companies making money off of them are the ones who are taking the effort to make their games worth buying. It's not that we're all pirates, it's just that honest people are content to not play crappy games.

Piracy is a problem, but it's naive to say that the the all the people who pirated your game represented lost sales. If you're talking about a bad game, it's unlikely that even 10% of the pirated copies represent lost sales. With a better game that percentage will be higher, but I doubt it ever get close to 50%.

Originally Posted by Obi_Kwiet

I realize that PC-only games have become a niche thing these days, but there is a big difference between developing a game exclusively for the PC and doing a competent port job. Just because only 20% of your sales come from the PC doesn't mean that it's smart to flush that 20% down the toilet by saving 1% of your development budget by not implementing features standard to PC games.

Companies that make multi-platform games are giving PC gamers no reason to buy their games and are surprised that the only people willing to play them are the people who don't pay for them. There still is a useful market of PC gamers out there who pay for their games, but the only companies making money off of them are the ones who are taking the effort to make their games worth buying. It's not that we're all pirates, it's just that honest people are content to not play crappy games.

Piracy is a problem, but it's naive to say that the the all the people who pirated your game represented lost sales. If you're talking about a bad game, it's unlikely that even 10% of the pirated copies represent lost sales. With a better game that percentage will be higher, but I doubt it ever get close to 50%.

I wouldn't even say 10% percent most of the time. It's anecdotal evidence I know, but, of the heavy torrenters I personally know, none ever buy games period. Not for the PC and not for their consoles either. Except when there is a MP component and a system like steam or live to boot the pirates off of the servers. Non secured servers suck for TF2, CS:S and the like, so to play the game without every one cheating every time you log into a server you pretty much have to go with secured servers, thus you have to buy a copy.
Another note regarding the heavy torrenters I know. None of them actually play all or even most of the games they pirate. One in particular, never even installs most of them.

If PB banned people using stolen copies it could go a ways towards reducing piracy in MP games where it was used. Steamworks has the VAC ban and insta kick for Steam accounts using stolen copies already. Though only Valve games seem to take advantage of this. The morons playing on unsecured servers with their downloaded hax on pirated copies were never customers in the first place, and were never going to be customers, so you need not really even count them.

This is nothing more than IW and Activision/Blizzard running like a bitch to the consoles for their cash. Fine, I accept that PC isnt their targeted audience anymore with COD. But to have the nerve to release a COD game thats a port blind as day and not even TRY.. TRY to make it what it was in the previous title is a big shit down my throat. Thats what sickens me the most. MW2 appears to be a polish-up job on the MW1 engine (quake or doom engine?). Seriously, this is nothing more than a mod for MW1 and yet they cited all this bullshit just so that they can offer DLC. This is NOT for better gameplay folks, this is them being greedy.

Imma laugh my merry little ass off when i see that these asswipes start charging to play on iwnet. "Well, XBOX live is like that". True, but if a person owns an XBOX and that is all they want to do is pay and game on live, thats fine. But as a PC gamer, this is nothing more than a slap in the fuckin face. I WILL NOT buy a game that is unabashedly being set up for DLC and pay for play.

Originally Posted by ebeattie

This is nothing more than IW and Activision/Blizzard running like a bitch to the consoles for their cash. Fine, I accept that PC isnt their targeted audience anymore with COD. But to have the nerve to release a COD game thats a port blind as day and not even TRY.. TRY to make it what it was in the previous title is a big shit down my throat. Thats what sickens me the most. MW2 appears to be a polish-up job on the MW1 engine (quake or doom engine?). Seriously, this is nothing more than a mod for MW1 and yet they cited all this bullshit just so that they can offer DLC. This is NOT for better gameplay folks, this is them being greedy.

Imma laugh my merry little ass off when i see that these asswipes start charging to play on iwnet. "Well, XBOX live is like that". True, but if a person owns an XBOX and that is all they want to do is pay and game on live, thats fine. But as a PC gamer, this is nothing more than a slap in the fuckin face. I WILL NOT buy a game that is unabashedly being set up for DLC and pay for play.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare uses it's own engine and CoD5, and CoDMW2 use the same engine. Albeit updated.

Originally Posted by Dan_D

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare uses it's own engine and CoD5, and CoDMW2 use the same engine. Albeit updated.

yup. same engine

Originally Posted by Litfod

Because with the exception of lean (don't care) and the price (wait for a deal) none of those points apply to the single-player. If it delivers another "All Ghillied Up", then it'll be worth it for me.

I never once fired up the MP for CoD4, and never had any intention of doing so with MW2.

I agree with this, but i have fired up MP twice. I much rather prefer single player on ALL games. PC and 360. I've only been playing SP since Black Hawk Down was big.

I'll probably wait for a bit and then try to find it used or something online, or somehow. But i assure you i won't be getting it right away.

Originally Posted by DraganUS

Bought L4D2 instead

Wise man. I bought this on Pre-purchase and also picked up Borderlands. I've forgotten about MW2

Originally Posted by Grentz

I dont know a lot about the PS3 side, but the 360 is not easy to pirate on if you want MP...bans are frequent and it is usually very easy for MS to identify hacked consoles with system updates and such. People will say they can play their pirated copies online, but then usually within a few days or weeks they are shut down. There also is no modding that I have seen that is rampant on the 360 (unlike the Xbox which people modded like crazy in games like Halo 2). The mods that do sometimes come out (I have literally seen like 2-3 instances of modding in years of owning the 360) are usually very minor as there is not a lot of low level access.

And how is that any different from PC?! In fact its virtually impossible to pirate on PC if you want to play online, unless you have retarded developers like codemasters who forget to implement an online cd-key check...but then again they fucked up OPR so bad that no one wants to play it online anyway despite being able to do so with a pirated copy.

Fact of the matter is that even if an xbox is banned it can still be used as a pirate box, it just cannot be used for MP. Any determined pirate will simply keep their banned console to play free single player games and then buy a secondary console to play games which they consider worth buying for the MP.

I preordered MW2 weeks ago, before having read the rumors currently making the rounds.

I haven't been excited about a game release in a long time, and I've NEVER preordered a game before now. But with the big, scary changes coming, I'm trying to decide if I should cancel.

Originally Posted by Flubb

I preordered MW2 weeks ago, before having read the rumors currently making the rounds.

I haven't been excited about a game release in a long time, and I've NEVER preordered a game before now. But with the big, scary changes coming, I'm trying to decide if I should cancel.

Whether you cancel your prorder or not is up to you. But IW said themselves that it was not going to have MOD support and not have dedicated servers. So it's not really a rumor.

Originally Posted by Flubb

I preordered MW2 weeks ago, before having read the rumors currently making the rounds.

I haven't been excited about a game release in a long time, and I've NEVER preordered a game before now. But with the big, scary changes coming, I'm trying to decide if I should cancel.

Cancel it. With haste my boy.

You guys are silly, I'm buying it for sure. And so will you!