CPU: E6400 / E6700 Mobo: 680i / iG965 / iP965 / G965 / P965?

I am styding this subject right now but still am not decisive about it.

I have to buy a new system for my friend who is only using MS Outlook and Firefox for the net.
€ 120,-Antec Performance One P180 (ATX, without PSU, Black)
€ 69,- Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500, 500W (ATX12V v2.0)
€ 84,- ST3320820AS Barracuda 7200.10, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
Read
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5
Write
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5
or STM3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)

The idea is to put my AMD 3800+, A8N-SLI, Corsair (2x512) Twinnix CL2 instead in this config and put a AMD X2 version or E6600 in my rig (see my signature below).

I have to find place for my 4x WD3200KS SATAII in RAID 0 and more, Double Raid would be very nice
And,... am I able to keep my 2 Gig Ram?

CPU: E6400 / E6700 Mobo: 680i / 975X/ iG965 / iP965 / G965 / P965?

€ 190,- Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (S775, 2x2.13GHz, 2MB, 1066MHz FSB)
€ 280,- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (S775, 2x2.4GHz, 4MB, 1066MHz FSB, Box...

€ 114,- Asus P5B, P965
€ 160,- Asus P5B Deluxe, P965

€ 114, Asus P5B-VM, G965 (mATX)
€ 150,- Asus P5B-V, G965
€ 160,- Asus P5B-V DH Deluxe G965

So, How is the E6600 with the Asus P5B-E, iP965 and iG965 in comparison with the E6400/Asus P5B Deluxe, P965?

€ 190,- Asus P5W DH Deluxe, 975X
http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=248&model=1198&modelmenu=1

€ 150,- MSI 975X Platinum, 975X
€ 150,- DFI Infinity 975X/G, 975X
€ 150,- Abit AW8D, 975X

€ 100,- Gigabyte GA-965P-S3, P965
€ 106,- Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, P965
€ 137,- MSI 965P Platinum, 965P
€ 146,- Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4, P965
€ 184,- GigaByte 965P-DQ6, P965

Any idea is very welcome.

Conclusion Sofar:

€ 160,- Asus P5B Deluxe, P965
€ 280,- E6600
€ 184,- 512MB x 2 (1GB) PC8000 DDR2 CL4 (Mushkin, 996524).
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€ 624,-

I Have Cracked the Spider!

442,- AMD Opteron 185 ( S939, 2x2.6Ghz, 2MB, 400MHz Bus, 110W, Boxed) which I can put in my Rig (see signature below).

55,- Asus A8V-VM SE
116,- Antec Performance One P180B (ATX, Geen PSU, Black)
69,- Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500, 500W (ATX12V v2.0)
84,- ST(M)3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
_____________________________ ______________________________ ______________
324 + 442=766

My friend get's my AMD3800+ (single)core
I give my friend 1Gig Corsair CL2 RAM from my 2 Gig, this way I am able to get The Opteron 2x2,6GHz in once without paying any extra!

650,- That's what my friend has top pay for his system
100,- Some money I get for all the hard work
16,- Admin. cost

SO!:

766
750
16
____

000,00 I cracked the Spider!!!

Or the € 476,- AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 (S939, 2x2.6GHz, 1MB, 400MHz Bus, 110W)
Maybe increase the administration cost with 200% 16+34= 50 mmm....?

By the way...E6400 is No option!
see CPU comparison table, very handy: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=475&model2=433&chart=190

I would get DDR2 800 memory only because it's not that much more expensive and runs faster. You can set your memory speed in bios, so running 1:1 is not mandatory.

The big differences between the two different Core2 setups is the cache. If you want the most cache, you go with the E6600 because everything else is a lot more expensive. If you don't mind the lesser cache and don't mind a little clockspeed loss, get the E6400.

Personally, I'd go with the P5B Deluxe out of all of those. It has a pretty good feature set and has the ICH8R which should meet your RAID requirements.

I wouldn't go with the AMD CPU unless you're an AMD fan.

TnX for advice, No I am not a Fan of any Branche Name or/and Logo Warshiping.

It's just That I've to spend at least Euro 430,- for
Euro 190,- E6400
Euro 120,- Mobo
Euro 120,- Ram

So, the dilemma is clearly there Euro 230,- or 430,-

And I've to built a new Computer as well from my AMD 3800+ single.

Well, if you have s939 parts already, it is easier to upgrade what you already have into a dual core setup. The 4600+ is the same as your 3800+ just with two cores rather than one (2.4Ghz 512k L2 cache). 230 Euro sounds like a lot for a 4600+ personally.

The outcome for it all is also for me quiet suprising.

300,-AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Toledo (S939, 2x2.4GHz, 1MB, 400MHz B...


55,- Asus A8V-VM SE
120,-Antec Performance One P180 (ATX, Geen PSU, Zilver)
69,- Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500, 500W (ATX12V v2.0)
89,- Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200KS, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 16MB)
90,-256MB x 2 (512MB) PC3200 DDR, CL2 (Corsair TWINX512-3200C2)
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423 + 300 X2 4800+

723

I throw my 3800+ in the basket and I am boosting my system with the X2 4800+ and make somebody happy with a new one.

I agree the ones that say its FU***NG expensive but He if I go E6400, which I very much liked to do, more buckz have to be thrown into the basket, at least 4200 (So 120 more) to my swift calculations and
I loose 1 Gig Ram from my original 2 Gig Ram

So even if the X2 4800+ sounds expensive If you have a AMD s939 Rig it still is cheaper than switching. Switching is always possible.

And you realize we talking PL' euros here!

Only problem X2 4800+ NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE
AMD is realy pussing me now into the welcome arms of Intel E6600

965G chipset is not good. I just got mine up and running, haven't got a stable OC past 2.7 on my 6600.

€ 350,- Intel E6600 + Asus P5W DH Deluxe
€ 247,- 1GB x2 (2GB) PC6400 DDR2, CL4 (OCZ, OCZ2G800R22GK)

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€ 597,-

(Here throw in my rig (See also below signature) AMD 3800+ s939, A8N-SLI, 1GB Corsair CL2.0 (sell the other 1GB Corsair CL2.0)
€ 120,-Antec Performance One P180 (ATX, without PSU, Zilver)
€ 69,- Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500, 500W (ATX12V v2.0)
€ 84,- STM3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
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€ 273,-

TOTAL: € 870,-

STM3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
The Same as?:
ST3320820AS Barracuda 7200.10, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
Read
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5
Write
min/mid/max
39,5/63,3/78,5

If I can pull this off OEWIE Baby.....

stain. said:

965G chipset is not good. I just got mine up and running, haven't got a stable OC past 2.7 on my 6600.

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Someones sig:

Asus P5W DH, Intel E6600 FSB 425@ 3825mhz Daily, 2048megs @2x1 gig GSKILL PC6400hz mem running 1:1 with 3-3-3-4 timings, 2 x 160gig WD Sata Hdd's in intel's Raid0 array, E-VGA 7900Gt Vid Card circuit writer mod and pencil mod on memory . Liteon 16X DVD-Writer,Enermax Liberty 500watt psu, Eheim pump,Swiftech 6002-775
Water Block, GM heater core rad, pvc homemade water tank, 6fans .....

€ 285,-1GB x 2 (2GB) PC5400 DDR2, CL3 (G.Skill, F2-5400CL3D-2GBGA).....CL3 is not in my reach

If the G965 is the same as 965G I don't understand cause from what I red it seems to be a golden combi Intel E6600 + Asus P5W DH Deluxe

My Mistake got confused in the mobo's the P5W DH Deluxe has a 975X chipset......sorry about that....

By what I've read so far:

G965 or 965G - Onboard graphics included, not very overclock friendly.

P965 or 965P - good overclocker, no onboard graphics.

Whether the P/G is at the beginning or end of the "965" designation just seems to be semantics. I'm looking at either an Asus P5B Deluxe or a Gigabyte DS3 mated with an E6400 and 2GB of Corsair DDR-800 (C4 hopefully). I'd have already started buying stuff, but my purchasing was put behind by 2 weeks so my 87 Honda can have a tune-up. After 250,000 miles, she deserves a little love. Can't find fault in a car that just asks for the fluid levels to be topped off every once in awhile (including gas lol)

In your OP, you say you're using a 915 aboard with a Pentium D for a friend. Those two won't work together. You need a 945 board for Pentium D's.

liveload said:

..... so my 87 Honda can have a tune-up. After 250,000 miles, she deserves a little love. Can't find fault in a car that just asks for the fluid levels to be topped off every once in awhile (including gas lol)

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Donnow what kinda Honda? If it's a Civic don't forget about changing the Distribution Collar, belt in time...If it brakes it ruines the engine. Have an old CB400Four Honda motorcycle myself 1976. The engine already had a revision one time.

TnX for replies sofar, have to look into this Mobo stuff for the E6600. I skipped the D905 but TnX anywayz.
€ 280,- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (S775, 2x2.4GHz, 4MB, 1066MHz FSB)

So, P965 is the way to go but what about iP965 and iG965?

€ 114,- Asus P5B, P965
€ 160,- Asus P5B Deluxe, P965

€ 130,- Asus P5B-E, iP965
€ 150,- Asus P5B-E Plus, iP965
€ 170,- Asus P5B-V Deluxe, iG965

€ 100,- Gigabyte GA-965P-S3, P965
€ 106,- Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, P965
€ 137,- MSI 965P Platinum, 965P
€ 146,- Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4, P965
€ 184,- GigaByte 965P-DQ6, P965

€ 190,- Asus P5W DH Deluxe, 975X (Quad-core Processor Ready )
http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=248&model=1198&modelmenu=1

€ 106,- Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, P965
€ 280,- E6600
€ 247,- 1GB x2 (2GB) PC6400 DDR2, CL4 (OCZ, OCZ2G800R22GK)
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€ 633,-

Maybe:
€ 184,- 512MB x 2 (1GB) PC8000 DDR2 CL4 (Mushkin, 996524).

ASUS P5B-DLX W/ BIOS 0908

Tell me what you all think here. I cant believe how much my prior DS3 motherboard was holding my RAM back. Using this HZ g.skill ram I couldn't ever get it past 462MHz period. Using this Asus board and a 4:5 divider, haven't hit a issue yet. here is a pic. thanks

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http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1137036&highlight=e6600
http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?...untitledpb3.jpg

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 4MB Processor HyperClocked to 3456MHz - 3500MHz
Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (775) Motherboard
2GB of 800MHz DDR2 SDRAM OC'd to 963 MHz
http://www.overdrivepc.com/holiday_special.html


Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Asus P5W-DH Deluxe
OCZ PC2-6400 EL Platinum XTC Rev.2 2048MB
CPU Stable: 3690 MHz
FSB:410 MHz
Vcore: 1,63 Volt
MCHcore: 1,65 Volt
DRAM Frequency 533/820
http://www.hardwareoc.at/Intel_Core2Duo_E6600_overclocking_Guide-3.htm

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Intel D975XBX (LGA-775)
Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 (1GB x 2)
The 2.4GHz E6600 turned out to be quite an overclocker in our tests. Even though it was hard-locked at a 9 multiplier it reached an amazing 4GHz in the overclocking tests. That represents a 67% overclock.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795&p=19

€ 219,- Intel D975XBX, i975X (ATX, PCI-e, Sound, LAN, SATA II) = Too little BIOS Overclock Options =Bad Deal!
€ 213.- Intel D975XBX2, i975X (ATX, PCI-e, Sound, LAN, SATA II, RAID, VGA,1394) = Too little BIOS Overclock Options = Bad Deal!

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit

Choosing the Right Memory for Core 2 Duo Platform

Conclusion:
First of all we have to acknowledge the high efficiency of data pre-fetch algorithms implemented in Core 2 Duo processors. It is thanks to them that platforms with such processors have data access latency comparable to that of Socket AM2 Athlon 64 systems, which feature an integrated memory controller. However, notwithstanding the impressive achievement of Intel's engineers, the memory subsystem of Core 2 Duo systems with an external memory controller, located in the chipset's North Bridge, cannot match the memory subsystem of Socket AM2 systems in overall efficiency. To be exact, the platforms with new Intel processors cannot provide as high memory bandwidth as the competing platforms do.

The memory bandwidth on Core 2 Duo systems is limited not by the characteristics of DDR2 SDRAM modules but by the bandwidth of the bus that connects the CPU with the chipset's North Bridge. This is why your changing the memory frequency or timings is going to have a small effect on performance of a non-overclocked Core 2 Duo system (but the frequency influences performance somewhat more than the timings do).

More interesting are the results of the overclocked platform. In this case, there is more sense in using fast memory and the optimal memory frequency divisor is 1:1 (FSBRAM) as has been shown in our tests. In other words, you can achieve maximum performance by using memory with lowest possible timings in synchronous mode. It means that if you overclock the FSB to 400MHz, DDR2-800 SDRAM with low timings is the optimal choice. If the FSB is overclocked more, DDR2-1000 or DDR2-1067 SDRAM is the best option. An additional argument in favor of using memory and the FSB in synchronous mode at overclocking is that the 1:1 divisor is the most stable one on a majority of mainboards.

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/core2duo-memory-guide.html

Intel Core 2 Duo - Test
http://www.behardware.com/articles/623-1/dossier-intel-core-2-duo.html

OR completely had forgotten about this Opteron CPU's
€ 280,- AMD Opteron 180 (S939, 2x2.4 GHz, 2MB, 400MHz Bus, 110W,Boxed)

Can I just put this Opteron 180 in my A8N-SLI

Can ASUS A8N-SLI series motherboard support socket 939 E4 & E6 stepping AMD Opteron CPU?
On the Asus FAQ:
Answer
Yes, please update the BIOS to support socket 939 E4 & E6 stepping AMD Opteron CPU.

A8N-SLI BIOS v1013.004 or later
A8N-SLI Deluxe BIOS v1015.004 or later
A8N-SLI Premium BIOS v1009.003 or later
http://support.asus.com.tw/faq/faq_...651&model_name=A8N-SLI Deluxe&SLanguage=en-us

Youri Carma said:

Donnow what kinda Honda? If it's a Civic don't forget about changing the Distribution Collar, belt in time...If it brakes it ruines the engine. Have an old CB400Four Honda motorcycle myself 1976. The engine already had a revision one time.

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It's an Accord Lxi. Paid 1300 cash for it 7 years ago. I've spent about that much in repairs thus far:

Clutch+Tranny (I scrood up the reverse )
Alternator
Radiator (again my fault, put a hole in it )
Tires
Air conditioning (hoses, seals, and a filter/dryer)

Gonna need a new valve cover gasket soon and some front tires...that's about it, afaik.
It loves Lucas oil stabilizer, especially in the winter.

Ok, sorry bout the hijack. Back on topic. I've been looking at the vanilla P5B and the MSI P965 NEO-F to see if decent performance can be had for less $$. Probably the Asus is the better one there, but I've still got some reading to do.

This review of the MSI + E6600 was linked by fireluxx in another thread. Link

Doesn't look promising, but I'm still looking.

All these Airco's are a F**CKUP in these Japanese cars or maybe in all cars...the require very strict attention and too expensive to reapair anywayz. Had this issue with my Mazda 626. The Japanese cars are very good generaly but spareparts are more expensive....but if you don't need any like I experienced with many Japanese Cars (Nissan Micra, Mazda 323,626).

Good job if you can f**ckup the clutch

Seems like a "nice" car,Honda always a little bit more expensive=Honda philosophy I read his book from father Honda himself. Same as Mac with the same result here in Holland...not so much Honda's on the road except for Honda Motorcycles maybe......Like to Have me a nice steering HondaCB600F......but it's the same as with computur technology we just love it otherwise I would not be spending houers on bugging some Mobo.....to get on track again

I think 150,- is for me the max in euros concerning a E6600 Mobo.....pitty some of these Asus mobo's still being a little bit too expensive.

For me now the Opteron 180 seems the way to go.

I reacted on a add E6600 + Asus P5W DH Deluxe, 975X for 350,-by email which seems a very good deal.....only e-mailing was possible ...havn't heard anything yet.Could be a Scam.

€ 137,- MSI 965P Platinum, 965P
• SATAII controller integrated in ICH8R/JMicron® JMB361
- Up to 300MB/sec transfer speed.
- 6 SATAII ports by ICH8R.
- 1 SATAII port by JMicron® JMB361.
- Supports AHCI controller with SATA RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5 and RAID 10 (ICH8R).
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=745

€ 160,- Asus P5B Deluxe, P965
€ 280,- E6600
€ 184,- 512MB x 2 (1GB) PC8000 DDR2 CL4 (Mushkin, 996524).
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€ 625,-

€ 150,- Asus P5B-E Plus, iP965
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2851
€ 160,- Asus P5B Deluxe, P965
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=144982
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115217
€ 180,-Asus P5B Deluxe WIFI-AP Ed., P965
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=307&model=1179&modelmenu=2

Southbridge
- 6 x SATA 3.0 Gb/s ports
- Intel Matrix Storage Technology supports RAID 0, 1, 5 and 10.
JMicron® JMB363 PATA and SATA controller
- 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices
- 1 x Internal SATA 3.0 Gb/s port
- 1 x External SATA 3.0 Gb/s port (SATA On-the-Go)
- Support SATA RAID 0, 1 and JBOD (by 1x External SATA & 1x Internal SATA)

Intelligent overclocking tools:
- AI NOS™ (Non-delay Overclocking System)
- AI Overclocking (intelligent CPU frequency tuner)
- ASUS PEG Link - Automatically performance tuning for graphics card
- ASUS AI Booster utility
Precision Tweaker:
- vCore: Adjustable CPU voltage at 0.00625V increment
- vDIMM: 13-step DRAM voltage control
- vChipset: 4-step Chipset voltage control
SFS (Stepless Frequency Selection)
- FSB tuning from 100MHz up to 650MHz at 1MHz increment
- Memory tuning from 533MHz up to 1066MHz
- PCI Express frequency tuning from 100MHz up to 150MHz at 1MHz increment
Overclocking Protection:
- ASUS C.P.R.(CPU Parameter Recall)

€ 190,- Asus P5W DH Deluxe, 975X
http://www.asus.com.tw/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=248&model=1198&modelmenu=1
€ 250,- Asus P5W64 WS Professional, 975X (ATX, PCI-e, Sound, LAN, SATAII, Raid, 1394a)

SLI:
eVGA 680i (Great features, awesome overclocking, hit or miss on quality.)
P5N32-E SLI (Great features, awesome layout)
Striker Extreme (Not for those with slim wallets)

Single card:
P5B Deluxe (Great feature set, awesome overclockability)
P5W DH Deluxe (Incredible feature set, very fast and stable, moderate/good overclocking)
P5W64-WS Professional (great features, awesome layout and overclockability)
D975XBXLKR "Bad Axe 2" (I know very little about this board, but on paper it looks great.)

If you are interested in SLI, then the 680i chipset based boards are your best and only real option. Be preppared for growing pains as you put the system together and shake out all the bugs.

If you are not interested in SLI, then the Intel chipset based boards are your BEST choice bar none. Especially the Intel board. You will have minimal, if not ZERO problems out of an Intel motherboard and the stability will be unmatched.

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http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1133818


I Have Cracked the Spider!

442,- AMD Opteron 185 ( S939, 2x2.6Ghz, 2MB, 400MHz Bus, 110W, Boxed) which I can put in my Rig (see signature below).

55,- Asus A8V-VM SE
116,- Antec Performance One P180B (ATX, Geen PSU, Black)
69,- Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500, 500W (ATX12V v2.0)
84,- ST(M)3320820AS Seagate DiamondMax 21, 320GB (7200rpm, SATA II, 8MB)
_____________________________ ______________________________ ______________
324 + 442=766

My friend get's my AMD3800+ (single)core
I give my friend 1Gig Corsair CL2 RAM from my 2 Gig, this way I am able to get The Opteron 2x2,6GHz in once without paying any extra!

650,- That's what my friend has top pay for his system
100,- Some money I get for all the hard work
16,- Admin. cost

SO!:

766
750
16
____

000,00 I cracked the Spider!!!

Or the € 476,- AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 (S939, 2x2.6GHz, 1MB, 400MHz Bus, 110W)

Maybe increase the administration cost with 200% 16+34= 50 mmm....?

Anywayz! AMD Opteron 185 0r AMD Athlon 64 FX-60?
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1139157


Spider ressurected! FINAL ORDER

€ 300,- Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40GHz FSB1066 4MB Box
€ 180,- Asus P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP iP965, SATA2 RAID
€ 215,- Corsair 2x512MB DDR2 SDRAM PC8500 CL5.0 TwinX
To complete the other rig (My rig right now see sig)
€ 120,- Antec Midi Tower P180B Performance One ATX no PSU (zwart)
€ 45.- Asus Videokaart PCI-e GeForce 7300TC 512MB DDR DVI/TV
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€ 860,-
€ 750,- My friend has to pay.
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€ 110,-
€ 80,- I get for 1GB Corsair sold from the 2GB.
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€ 30,- I have to pay myself

I skiped buying a new HD for my friend my system (see sig) goes to my friend except for 1GB (2x512) Corsair which I maybe can sell to another friend for € 80,-.