3008WFP VS. 3007WFP-HC

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What is so great about the 3008 model? Is the difference so great to pay almost double for the 3008 model?
$1999.00 for the 3008 and $1189.00 for the 3007.
 
Well thats a good question but first you have to get your data correct. The 3008 is roughly 400 more if you shop wisely. That being said, you get a better contrast ratio as a result of dynamic contrast, a mulitude of inputs (including displayport for some future proofing) that make the unit more versatile. Then unit is superior for photographic applications and the brushed aluminum finish matches my TJ09.

Do these reasons make it 400 dollars better? Probably not but I am an emotional buyer not a practical one.
 
The 3008 has a scaler while the 3007 doesn't. Which means the 3007 can only accept a few resolutions (2 or 3 I think?). Basically the 3007 is a basic 30" monitor while the 3008 is a Cadillac of 30" monitors.
 
The 3008 has a scaler while the 3007 doesn't. Which means the 3007 can only accept a few resolutions (2 or 3 I think?). Basically the 3007 is a basic 30" monitor while the 3008 is a Cadillac of 30" monitors.

Why would you want to run a 30" monitor at a different resolution other than its native?

Running the monitor at a lower resolution pretty much defeats the purpose of having a 30.


cadillac?
 
Why would you want to run a 30" monitor at a different resolution other than its native?

Running the monitor at a lower resolution pretty much defeats the purpose of having a 30.


cadillac?

Maybe so you can actually see your bios screen? (Pretty sure the 3007 supports that really low res, but maybe im wrong). Hooking any kind of dvd/hd/game system up to the screen will require a scaler because they do not output the required res. You do realize most xbox 360 and ps3 games are not 1080p and scaled to that resolution and then sent to your tv. Scaling is nothing new and is quite common.

Some of us put out for an expensive screen and have crap tv's I would much rather play/watch with a scaled image on a 30" lcd then play/watch on crap tv.
 
does the 3008 runs 1080p? Want to use it for console... If it does, that alone is an advantage over 3007....
 
does the 3008 runs 1080p? Want to use it for console... If it does, that alone is an advantage over 3007....

Yes it does, it will scale that resolution to its native. This is something the 3007 will not do.
 
Why would you want to run a 30" monitor at a different resolution other than its native?

Running the monitor at a lower resolution pretty much defeats the purpose of having a 30.

cadillac?

I would think mainly games. For some games the high resolution might be too much for their current graphic cards so if you want to play on high settings and have acceptable game play you might need to put the resolution down a bit. For example I can't see many being able to play games like Crysis at the full resolution and high settings. Also if say in a years time another demanding game comes out some people might not want to keep changing their graphics card because their current one can't cope.
 
Well thats a good question but first you have to get your data correct. The 3008 is roughly 400 more if you shop wisely. That being said, you get a better contrast ratio as a result of dynamic contrast, a mulitude of inputs (including displayport for some future proofing) that make the unit more versatile. Then unit is superior for photographic applications and the brushed aluminum finish matches my TJ09.

Do these reasons make it 400 dollars better? Probably not but I am an emotional buyer not a practical one.

Check the prices on Dell site:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&category_id=6761&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

That is more than $400.00 difference!
8ms vs. 12ms, this is the more significant difference. The other stuff is pure BS.
 
does the 3008 runs 1080p? Want to use it for console... If it does, that alone is an advantage over 3007....
scaling stuff down is not good on a LCD monitor. They run best on their native resolution.
 
scaling stuff down is not good on a LCD monitor. They run best on their native resolution.
Nothing is scaled down, everything is scaled up. On the 3007 there is no scaler, you cannot hook up a console to the screen and get a picture since the console does not put out a resolution the screen accepts, with the 3008 it will take the resolution the console puts out and scale it up to the resolution the screen is. Not that hard to understand why people would want a scaler vs lack of one.

If you don't want to scale the image to the whole screen you can do a 1:1 pixel mapping for a true image or aspect scaling so that it wont stretch neither of which the 3007 can do because it only accepts a very very limited number of resolutions.
Check the prices on Dell site:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&category_id=6761&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

That is more than $400.00 difference!
8ms vs. 12ms, this is the more significant difference. The other stuff is pure BS.

You can call dell and bargain with them to reduce the price by quite a bit.
 
If you do not like it then don't buy it. The truth is that the price of the 3008 will drop to the same as the 3007 in the next few months. Some have reported prices below $1500 already. Saying that the 3007 is all you need is just ridiculous. There is no reason to believe that the DVI-D and displayport inputs don't pass through native resolution without input lag from the scalar. Unless someone can find a review that shows otherwise then it still does everything it used to plus a lot more. Why should someone have several screens for different inputs? That just makes no sense.

Nobody complained about the Gateway when it came out with a scalar chip in it. The only difference is that some people made the mistake of investing in a limited technology and now they are trying to rationalize a bad purchase.

The bottom line is that Dell decided to upgrade their 30 inch LCD based on feedback from both pro and armature reviews of the 3007. If you can not see the value of the new features then do not buy it.

If you like your 3007 then enjoy it and don't worry about what others want or buy.

Sorry for the rant, but this argument is just lame. You cannot fight change.

Dave
 
Being an early adopter of the 3007WFP (bought it on the first set of CANADA Dell deals that brought it to the $1599+tax pricemark), I am eager to get my hands on the 3008WFP.

Upgrading from the 2405FPW, the lack of inputs was something I dealt with by purchasing a 2007FP as a secondary display. The main reason for the switch? Input lag/b], or the lack thereof. This brought my competitive edge back in FPS games. Colour shift in the SPVA on the 24" was pretty terrible as well, and I am glad that I no longer have any *VA panels for my own setup.

Now, if Dell can pull off the same thing they did with the 2007FP (which has a scaler) and make a FAST 30" monitor, I will be one very happy customer... and I'll have to figure out what to do with TWO 30"s :)
 
Check the prices on Dell site:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&category_id=6761&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

That is more than $400.00 difference!
8ms vs. 12ms, this is the more significant difference. The other stuff is pure BS.

Increased color gamut and the like is not BS. A lot more people buy displays than just gamers. My PC is used for about equal portions gaming (in the long, dark winter anyways), general PC work and photography/video work. Large, accurate color gamut and good response to color profiling is very important to me (and entire forums full of photographers). At this time I'm sticking with a high-end Trinitron CRT but a 30" panel is on my radar screen.

All of the average PC Mag reviews will give a display a bad review if all the colors aren't oversaturated and in-your-face even if it is actually more accurate. They call them "dull" and "muted" when in fact they are "correct".
 
Actually increased color gamut w/o moving to 10-bit or 12-bit LUT would make it less of a great feature.

For those of you that have the monitor, does it still use the 8-bit LUT that most monitors use?
 
This is great, I came here to post this exact question and its the first thread I see.

:D

You cannot hook up a console to the 3007WFP and get a picture since the console does not put out a resolution the screen accepts.

Is this true about the 3007 WFP?
 
VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical

These are the 2 resolutions the 3007 supports, if what ever you hook up doesn't support those 2 resolutions then you will not get a picture.
 
VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical

These are the 2 resolutions the 3007 supports, if what ever you hook up doesn't support those 2 resolutions then you will not get a picture.

you would if you use your video card to scale it. I have had two 3007 's in the past and had no problem with any resolution i wanted when using the video card. The 3007 looked very good even at non naitive resolutions.
 
Maybe so you can actually see your bios screen? (Pretty sure the 3007 supports that really low res, but maybe im wrong). Hooking any kind of dvd/hd/game system up to the screen will require a scaler because they do not output the required res. You do realize most xbox 360 and ps3 games are not 1080p and scaled to that resolution and then sent to your tv. Scaling is nothing new and is quite common.

Some of us put out for an expensive screen and have crap tv's I would much rather play/watch with a scaled image on a 30" lcd then play/watch on crap tv.

On my machine I can see my BIOS full screen on my 3007WFP. I don't even have the HC version but the original 3007WFP. As for everything else you are certainly correct.
 
you would if you use your video card to scale it. I have had two 3007 's in the past and had no problem with any resolution i wanted when using the video card. The 3007 looked very good even at non naitive resolutions.

You are still sending out 1 of those 2 resolutions when you use your video card to scale the image to a resolution the screen accepts, the screen will not accept any other resolutions.
 
VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical

These are the 2 resolutions the 3007 supports, if what ever you hook up doesn't support those 2 resolutions then you will not get a picture.

you would if you use your video card to scale it. I have had two 3007 's in the past and had no problem with any resolution i wanted when using the video card. The 3007 looked very good even at non naitive resolutions.

Sorry to be picky but this is a wierd reply jacuzz. munkle is pointing out that unless something can display at those 2 resolutions, it wont work.

Your reply is "but if it can display at those resolutions, it will work.". what the heck.

I think I get the jest of your point, but it is still sounded wierd to me ;)

So are you trying to point out that if you can route someting through a video card it will display? Like, somehow route the output of a XBox to your pc, then use the GPU to scale the image so that it will display on the 3007.

Not sure that is a good solution.
 
VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical

These are the 2 resolutions the 3007 supports, if what ever you hook up doesn't support those 2 resolutions then you will not get a picture.

Then tell me how the BIOS is viewable on the 3007WFP on a multi-tude of video card and motherboard combinations?

The video card is only going to output whatever it is told to. I can promise you that the POST screen and BIOS screens are not output to the display at those resolutions. The 3007WFP has two native resolutions but it can display anything. What it can not do is scale the resolutions to fit the display in hardware as it has no scaler. You need to use software to scale images across the display and even when that is done the 3007WFP displays those images surprisingly well.
 
Yes it does, it will scale that resolution to its native. This is something the 3007 will not do.

In this case, I might consider it it :) I've been wanting a 30" LCD monitor, but most of them doesnt really fit to what i need.
 
VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical

These are the 2 resolutions the 3007 supports, if what ever you hook up doesn't support those 2 resolutions then you will not get a picture.

Do you even have a 3007?


I've ran mine with much diffrent resolutions than those with no problems.
 
Do you even have a 3007?


I've ran mine with much diffrent resolutions than those with no problems.

You sure your video card isn't scaling the image to a resolution the monitor supports? It's widely know that the 3007 lacks a scaler/image processor and without that it supports only those 2 resolutions I listed, you can even check the dell site if you want. If you compare it to the 3008 you will see how many more resolutions the 3008 supports.

3008
VESA, 720 x 400 – 31.47 kHz Horizontal, 70.0 Hz Vertical, 28.3 MHz
VESA, 640 x 480 – 31.47 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 25.2 MHz
VESA, 640 x 480 – 37.5 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 31.5 MHz
VESA, 800 x 600 – 37.88 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 49.5 MHz
VESA, 800 x 600 – 46.88 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 49.5 MHz
VESA, 1024 x 768 – 48.36 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 65.0 MHz
VESA, 1024 x 768 – 60.0 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 78.75 MHz
VESA, 1152 x 864 – 67.5 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 108 MHz
VESA, 1280 x 800 – 49.7 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 83.5 MHz
VESA, 1280 x 1024 – 64.0 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 108 MHz
VESA, 1280 x 1024 – 80.0 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 135 MHz
VESA, 1600 x 1200 – 75.0 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 162 MHz
VESA, 1920 x 1200 – 74.6 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 193.5 MHz
VESA, 2560 x 1600 – 98.71 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 268.5 MHz

3007
VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical
 
Do you even have a 3007?


I've ran mine with much diffrent resolutions than those with no problems.

Same here. I own one and I can see the BIOS screen and POST screens fine. I've also run the monitor at lower resolutions without scaling and it worked fine. I assure you this will display everything between 640x480 all the way up to 2560x1600.
 
Same here. I own one and I can see the BIOS screen and POST screens fine. I've also run the monitor at lower resolutions without scaling and it worked fine. I assure you this will display everything between 640x480 all the way up to 2560x1600.

I think the point is your video card is doing the scaling, not the monitor.

I can see my BIOS screen on my 3007WFP, which I got Aug '06.

The OP should try to get the 3008 for cheap. He'll regret not being able to connect other sources to his monitor if he gets the 3007.
 
To me, seems like the rational is if you have other sources that can not do 2560x1600 then get the 3008 for the other inputs (and the scalar).

Me personally (yes, me, meaning not you) I can not imagine what kind of crap scalar one can get for roughly $500 (rough price difference between the 3008 and 3007).

Look at some of the standalone scalars that can handle high resolutions and they are quite a bit more expensive. Sure, marketing audience and packaging and such are a huge source of money sink, but even the DVDO (budget and quality) is about $2000.

The published differences in contrast and speed are quite insignificant in day to day applications (including gaming). They look great on paper, but I wonder if the end user will notice the difference. I could be wrong about that, because I have not seen them side by side.

Besides price, one huge benefit of the 3007 is position adjustment. With something that big there will be an optimal position to see it so you are not off center vertically or horizontally. Personally I think it is easier to move the monitor up and down than the desk.

I have a 3007, but if I was to buy one today I see no reason to NOT get the 3008. I don't need the new features, but I rather buy new tech than old tech.
 
Well the Dell 3008WFP is an evolution of the 30" panel in general and is an improvement over the 3007WFP and 3007WFP-HC. No doubt about it. Should people upgrade to the 3008WFP if they already have a 3007WFP or 3007WFP-HC? Well that's up to the individual. I think if you are buying a monitor today you'll have to decide whether or not the price increase is worth it. I would suggest that if you are the type of person who uses their monitor for more than one device then the 3008WFP is an attractive choice. I wouldn't mind having the 3008WFP's features but I won't be buying one more than likely.

I'm quite happy with my 3007WFP as it is. Monitors are something I don't tend to upgrade very often.
 
You sure your video card isn't scaling the image to a resolution the monitor supports? It's widely know that the 3007 lacks a scaler/image processor and without that it supports only those 2 resolutions I listed, you can even check the dell site if you want. If you compare it to the 3008 you will see how many more resolutions the 3008 supports.

3008


Where is 480i/p? 720p? 1080i/p? 1680x1050? 2048x1536?
 
Anyone know if the 3008WFP is much larger in physical size than the 3007WFP? Would be nice if they could line up hehe
 
Anyone know if the 3008WFP is much larger in physical size than the 3007WFP? Would be nice if they could line up hehe

Judging by the pictures I've seen of both they should be about the same size.
 
Well the Dell 3008WFP is an evolution of the 30" panel in general and is an improvement over the 3007WFP and 3007WFP-HC. No doubt about it. Should people upgrade to the 3008WFP if they already have a 3007WFP or 3007WFP-HC? Well that's up to the individual. I think if you are buying a monitor today you'll have to decide whether or not the price increase is worth it. I would suggest that if you are the type of person who uses their monitor for more than one device then the 3008WFP is an attractive choice. I wouldn't mind having the 3008WFP's features but I won't be buying one more than likely.

I'm quite happy with my 3007WFP as it is. Monitors are something I don't tend to upgrade very often.

The 3008WFP has to be better. It's the norm for manufacturers to keep charging an arm and a leg for their products; BUT, still too much money for the 3008WFP. A 10MP picture would look the same in the two monitors. I'll buy it when price come down to around $1,200.00. I can survive without it.:)
 
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Originally Posted by Ockie
Do you even have a 3007?


I've ran mine with much diffrent resolutions than those with no problems.

You sure your video card isn't scaling the image to a resolution the monitor supports? It's widely know that the 3007 lacks a scaler/image processor and without that it supports only those 2 resolutions I listed, you can even check the dell site if you want. If you compare it to the 3008 you will see how many more resolutions the 3008 supports.

3008

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VESA, 720 x 400 – 31.47 kHz Horizontal, 70.0 Hz Vertical, 28.3 MHz
VESA, 640 x 480 – 31.47 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 25.2 MHz
VESA, 640 x 480 – 37.5 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 31.5 MHz
VESA, 800 x 600 – 37.88 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 49.5 MHz
VESA, 800 x 600 – 46.88 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 49.5 MHz
VESA, 1024 x 768 – 48.36 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 65.0 MHz
VESA, 1024 x 768 – 60.0 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 78.75 MHz
VESA, 1152 x 864 – 67.5 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 108 MHz
VESA, 1280 x 800 – 49.7 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 83.5 MHz
VESA, 1280 x 1024 – 64.0 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 108 MHz
VESA, 1280 x 1024 – 80.0 kHz Horizontal, 75.0 Hz Vertical, 135 MHz
VESA, 1600 x 1200 – 75.0 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 162 MHz
VESA, 1920 x 1200 – 74.6 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 193.5 MHz
VESA, 2560 x 1600 – 98.71 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical, 268.5 MHz

3007

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VESA, 1280 x 800 - 50 kHz Horizontal, 60.0 Hz Vertical
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (digital) - 99 kHz Horizontal, 60 Hz Vertical
I'll never use all those resolutions any ways!
The only one the I would use is 2560 x 1600, the whole purpose to buy this monitor is to use its top resolution.
 
somewhat. I have yet to formulate a response

I wish I had access to the monitor myself, also
 
Well from the sound of it, I'd love to have one but I won't be buying one. I really can't justify it at present.
 
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