DFI strikes back with the DFI lanparty JR P45 T2RS

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DFI made the excellent mb matx but for dothan: 855GME-MGF
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Now it strikes back with
the DFI Lanparty JR P45 T2RS
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Upcoming test w/ ultra120extreme & e7200/e8600
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Stay tuned ;)
 
DFI Lanparty JR P45 T2RS test:

DFi has listened to us and made the nearly perfect matx board to date?

-No more IGP and therefore this probably will enable the board to show its full potential...

-For people like me who used to test mb "out of the box without any box": the EZ switch are here!!!!


-For users like us: easy access to the clear CMOS jumper now on rear panel! Useless to open the case....

-NB cooler unmountable: for better third party cooler

-What else: At last 2 PCIE v2.0 slot for crossfire but limited to 8 lanes using either one or 2 pcie cards+++
No firewire, a shame since available in most recent board....


Most screenshots of the bios and board can be found here: so i will not post mine.
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/reviews/9327-dfi-lanparty-jr-p45-t2rs-matx-living-review.html
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3197472&postcount=2
http://overclockingstation.de/showthread.php?t=2298


The PLL: ICS 9LPRS918JKLF
setfsb from abo san works pretty well!!

http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/download/ver21/

-monitoring software: smartguardian ou SG : "Lord Vader" mod:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/vader.jpg
-Auto Boost System (under windows) & CMOS reloaded (within bios) !: you will be able to save different overclocking profils. And whenever You experienced an overclocking failure, though the bios is reset to default, you will just have to load one of the 4 banks (you saved previously) to restore all your settings...A very good point indeed!

The stock bios of the present retail version is 721! The latest one is the 901 available on DFI website. (812 also available)

Here the main bios screen options:
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Hiting F9 key gives access to advance menu:

The important voltages:
- CPU VID Control: up to +787.5mv
- DRAM Voltage Control: up to 3.28v
- SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55v up to 2.15v
- NB Core Voltage: up to 1.97v
- CPU VTT Voltage: 1.10v up to 1.60v
- Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.45V

Many strap are available but using strap 333/667 or 400/800 are highly recommended in order to hit higher fsb ....


Rig used for the test:
-DFI LP JR bios 812
-E8600 box + TRUE 120 pushpull mod
-Ballistix 8000 D9GMH/ Gskill PC8500HK D9GMH en 2x1Go
-graphic card: Xpertvision 7900GS 256Mo PCIE
-HDD: QT CR 4.3Gb 5400rpm IDE
-PSU: Corsair VX450
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First of all
I used DFI ABS profil for e8500 as mentionned in its text file:
http://dfics.dfi.com.tw/dfi_cs/ABS_Profile/JP45/JP45_E8500_812BIOS.zip
FSB560 DRAM1120
CPU VID +237.5mV
CPU 0/2 GTL 0.61X
CPU 1/3 GTL 0.61X
NB GTL 0.58X
CPU CLOCK0 SKEW 200PS
With little tweak it was not difficult to hit fsb@499 but beyond it was not without hassle!!!
fsb @499 with D9 (transcend axeram 6400 & a-data pc8000) and fsb@512 with my ballistix pc8000!
fsb@499: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/4450.jpg
fsb@500: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/gskill.jpg
fsb@512: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/512.jpg

What's missing?
I finally load the ABS profil from DFI under windows & go back to the bios menu to check what has been modified:
settings for fsb@560:
Genie BIOS:

CPU features: all set to disable except cpu multi-processing++++

- CPU Clock Amplitude: 800mV
- CPU Clock0 Skew: 200ps
- CPU Clock1 Skew: 0ps
- DRAM Speed: 333/667
- PCIE Clock: 100MHz

- CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
- PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

Voltage Settings
- CPU VID Control:-------
- DRAM Voltage Control: 2.30v
- SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55v
- NB Core Voltage:1.40v
- CPU VTT Voltage: 1.38v
- Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.45V
- CPU GTL0/2 REF Volt: 0.61X (default 0.67x)
- CPU GTL 1/3 REF Volt: 0.61X (default 0.67x)
- North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 0.58X (default 0.67x)
Memory settings were all set to default+++

There remains for me to set only fsb manually @500/510/540/550 and 560 and it works...

-e8600: 4.750Ghz
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/500fsb.jpg
-spi1m sub10:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/spi1.jpg
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/spi_4681.jpg
9.485s

-fsb@540:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/sp32.jpg
-fsb@550:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/4681.jpg
-fsb@560:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/560.jpg
-stability spi32m:
fsb@540: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/sp32.jpg
fsb@550: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/550_vnb1_47_spi32.jpg
-"cpu othos beta 15min+:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/orthos.jpg


With my board only fsb@560 is achievable using both e8400 & e8500 retail...
fsb@600 was out of reach...

Most high fsb were performed using e8500 ES (though now increasing number of retail cpu hit those fsb)
fsb@600 (e8500es/bios 812) from DFI ABS profil oc
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9956/jp45pluse8500ocdu2.jpg
fsb@600 DFI LP jr ES +e8500es by johnny bravo (bios date 25/07)
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1298/screen006zb9.jpg
fsb@600 by coolaler(e8500es):
http://img.inpai.com.cn/2008/8/5/2f309000-edb4-4b41-a941-1ee04ea0528a.jpg
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=3649
fsb@601 by PolRoger90 (e8600 box revA3)
http://www.ocforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68271&stc=1&d=1222785508
fsb@622 by zolkorn: (e8600 box revA2)
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8992/zolkaa8.jpg
fsb@630: e8500es (jimmy)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=396977
fsb@635 by Pt1t: (e8500 box revA2):
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=409022
fsb@645 by longsiew (e8600 box revA3)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=413987
fsb@682 by dfipro (e8500 revA2):
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=424527
fsb@685(e8400es): (bios version unknown)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=401576

Initially, I strongly suspected my cpu to be the culprit & not the mb...
(My ballistix pc8000 been able to hit +618mhz @2.40v on the P5E-VM HDMI)
But all my benches were performed using D9GMH chip (ballistix pc8000, A-DATA vitesta PC8000, Transcend axeram 6400, Gskill 6400HZ or 8500HK),
till I switched to D9GKX & then I finally managed to break my "fsb wall" stucked @560!!!!!
Using D9GKX (cellshock PC8000 C4 2x1Gb)
fsb@575: http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/831/575jv4.jpg
fsb@580: http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9720/580pw8.jpg
fsb@590: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4392/590uo6.jpg
And finally the mythic number:
fsb@600: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/600-3.jpg

Using 4 sticks involved to raise NB voltage for stability: [email protected] (compared to 1.4325v w/ 2 sticks):
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/cellc4x4.jpg

In the end: this board seems to behave differently depending on the type of memory modules used...



My ABS profil:
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DFI website:http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_pro...p?PRODUCT_ID=6155&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP JR&SITE=US
beta bios for LP JR!
J245D721
J245D912
J245D923
J245DA30
LP JR bios user's guide
regular bios:
J245DA07
J245D901
J245D812
Two remarks:
The bios is not mature and need really to be improved....Sometimes it is impossible to save your settings or to exit the bios...
Some boards appeared to be defective: 2 DOA , 1 D after Arrival on [H]

Mod to mount a Thermalright ultra 120 eXtreme (TRUE) in vertical position: washer mod:
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http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb261/pvhk/IMG_0024copier-1.jpg
http://www.driverheaven.net/overclo...ultra-120-extreme-how-cut-10-degrees-off.html

Though fsb@600 is out of reach for me by now! My mem can run in async mode @600Mhz (dram speed @333/800= 5:6)
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My final rig: w/ a Gainward HD4850 GS 512 & w/crossfire


Some 3D benches:
3d06 under wxp:
14760
3d06 under vista:
14749
3dmark vantage:
8371
vantage +crossfire:
11505
12235

3d06 + crossfire:
20092

Everest fsb@500 ram@600:

Everest fsb550 4-4-4-12 ram@550:

Everest fsb@563 ram synch:
 
User' guide for ABS tool:

1)How to load an ABS profil from another user:
Launch ABS utility,
clic on "auto-upgrade" then "reload",
The 4 empty bank will be displayed,
clic on "open" & grab the abs profil you want to use, in this example: profile8600.abs from pvhk
The 4 profils will appear,
clic on "write" and they will be written in the bios CMOS reloaded, but this manoeuver will not modify the present bios settings!!! because they are only stored in the CMOS reloaded....
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Now that every thing is done go back into bios to activate one profil...
I'm not using the F1 key method because you cannot select one of the 4 bank as you want...
Enter CMOS reloaded, if you want to activate bank one, hit on 3 "load from this bank": this will actually modify the bios settings... escape --save and it's done!
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2)How to save its own ABS profil in the CMOS reloaded:
Enter the bios and make your modifications,
To save one working profil in one bank, enter CMOS reloaded and hit 1 "bank description": you can add any description you want: in my case bank1:
e8600 fsb@500
cpu vid+137mv
cpuGTL061 NBGTL058


hit 2 "save to this bank": the bios will be written in this bank, and so on for the other banks Then escape & save...
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3)How to save its own ABS profil under windows:
Launch ABS utility,
clic on "win-reloaded" and then on "backup":
The banks you saved in the CMOS reload will be displayed,
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Save this ABS profil with the name of your choice, here: "profile8600.abs". It's done! You can now share you profil with your friends and other users!

ABS guide by tweaktown:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1602/dfis_auto_boost_system_abs_investigated/index.html
 
thanks for starting the new thread!

got mine today, will post pics later tonight...

btw, do you think we are limited by the 2 x 8x lanes? reason why I ask is...is it worth adding a 2nd 4870x2 (ie. is the 8x going to limit the x2's?)
 
yes it is mentionned by dfi itself!
when using 2 ati cards, we'll be limited by 2x8 x lanes
 
Unless you playing in resolutions above 1900 x 1200 (yes above that, not at that) you won't see any performance loss whatsoever.

Even above that the hit (and that is still debatable and contested) is around 10% max.

This is at 2500 x 1600 (and vs X48)!

So yea, don't worry about it - it's PCI 2.0 and these cards don't seem to suffer much (at all?!) at PCI 1.1 x 16 either so it seems at this stage for this gen of GPU 8x PCI 2.0 is a non issue.
 
Glad they cooled the mosfets... I was actually thinking about creating some sinks for the ASUS, because they get ridiculously hot.
 
Ah, sweet! I was wondering if you were going to get this mobo and run it through its paces. Looking forward to your findings as always. :)
 
Thxs Skott! Always here as far as possible for any good matx board...
 
Looks really sexy!

But the processor socket looks really close to the edge of the board. I have a P5E-VM HDMI and it barely fits the CNPS7700 heatsink inside the PC-V350. Think this will cause issues with other heatsinks?
 
Glad they cooled the mosfets... I was actually thinking about creating some sinks for the ASUS, because they get ridiculously hot.

Isn't the JR P45-T2RS using the digital PWM, while the regular P45-T2RS is using analogue? I guess not, considering the sink there...
 
Man, that CPU socket placement is terrible.

There's probably more than a few heatsinks that won't fit on this thing in most cases.
 
As I understand it you can use jumpers to set one of the PCIe slots to x16 if you're running a single card. Can you decide which of the two slots becomes x16 or is it always the one closest to the CPU?

If not that means the board would have your video card, a covered over x1, a dead slot and the PCI slot for any expansion cards.
 
Man, that CPU socket placement is terrible.

There's probably more than a few heatsinks that won't fit on this thing in most cases.


crap, I just noticed that too :mad:

Oh well, I'll find out in a couple of hours when I install mine :(
 
That actually makes it better for installing a TR Ultima 90 and possibly opens up the possibility of installing a TRUE.
 
ahh TRUE=thermal right ultra extreme, sorry...still @ work and it's been a long day...
 
Hey guys.
I ordered one of these babies from motherboardpro.com, and then I saw the Newegg price that just came up. I notified motherboardpro and they were able to price match and give me a refund for the difference.

Figured if any of you had just ordered the motherboard, you might give it a shot. Motherboardpro has also lowered their posted price to beat Newegg by $1. Their customer service is excellent.

Good luck!
 
2 x 8 lanes in crossfire doesn't matter since its ver 2 with double bandwidth of ver 1.1
 
@sleepeeg3: is the stock bios similar to the one on DFI website? (i'm not at home)
 
pvhk, I used the latest stock one on their website (8/12). I have not looked for any betas yet...

Thread on the ATX version of this board. This falls in line with their earlier results where people were struggling to get above 420fsb. Some people are claiming better results with beta bioses and one person did 600+ with a single stick of RAM. At least they are working on it... This is exactly the DFI I remember.

At least we have a multi-GPU board, right?
 
Hopefully this is just a BIOS issue, but thanks to both of you for being Guinea pigs. I have a buyer for my rig, but I'm going to have to make him wait until we can determine final results of this board and get more results in for the new Asus G45 mATX board.
 
Managed at last to hit fsb@450 using the same parameters of ABS profil provided by DFI:
e8600.jpg
 
Looking good! Lowering GTL ratio to .63 from .67 improved stability on the ASUS. Next option below that had a negative effect. Not 90MHz of stability though…

I couldn't get the 6x multi to post at all.
 
This board looks very promising. Although a question I have for sleepeeg or pvhk, does this thing have a firewire connector on it so I can hook it up to a front panel or anything? Having access to at least 1 firewire port is pretty important for me.
 
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