Emulation Software Detected!

bipolar

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First off, I buy all my games.
I like to run them off the HDD, saves switching CDs and makes them run faster as well. I bought Madden 2005 but can not play it at all -- with or without the cd in the drive -- because it detects Alcohol 120% on my system. I have to choose one to uninstall, and this infuriates me. Is there any workaround so that I can play a game I paid for? :mad:


Incidentally, sent off an email to EA Sports:
I was eagerly awaiting Madden 2005 after hearing great things about it on the consoles. In fact, this was the first game I ever prebooked. I picked it up, took it home, installed it, and than (per my usual procedure) proceeded to make an image file of the play disc. You see, my CD-ROM is quite noisy and I prefer the increased speed that running solely off of a hard drive brings me.

Imagine my surprise when I was told I could not run the game. In fact, the game gave me a notification that said, in essence, I could have Madden installed, or I could have my disk image program installed, but not both.

Now, I understand and fully support cd checks. Most piracy comes about from "Joe Average Gamer", who thinks a game is fun and wants to give a copy to his friend. They install it on the friend's computer, and play it, but they both can not play at once due to the cd check. That is fine, it reduces piracy significantly while not affecting those who buy the game legitimately and have the know-how to create images of the discs or otherwise bypass the copy protection.

Let me reiterate: I purchased this game, as I do with all games. Gamers can be broadly generalized in 3 categories:
1) Joe Average Gamer. Has no idea how copy protection works or how to bypass it and is easily defeated by simple cd checks. Has no idea about alternate means of acquiring games. Net result is he purchases every game he plays.
2) l33t dudes. They don't buy games. As no copy-protection is perfect, every game gets cracked within days, and they are playing Madden 2005 right now.
3) Do the right thing'ers. People who know all about bit torrent, eMule, and newsgroups, but purchase the games at retail. They generally have optimized gaming systems and want things to run a certain way, so they do utilize the above networks for things like cd cracks, or make images of the discs, but this is just to enhance the enjoyment of a game they have already paid for.

Now, by enforcing your new copy protection, which of the three groups above is most affected? Certainly not the pirates -- go to www.s******a.org right now and check how many torrents of Madden 2005 are available. The first group, while they probably *would* engage in piracy if they could, are defeated by Safedisc so nothing further is necessary. The only people affected by the no-emulator policy are the third group, LEGITIMATE PAYING CUSTOMERS. You are pissing off customers with absolutely zero upside as far as reducing piracy.

It is sad and unacceptable that in order for me to play a game I paid for, I either have to uninstall other software I paid for, or download a pirated version of the game. Unacceptable.

So, there are two ways you can resolve the situation favorably:
1) Email to me a utility that will allow me to remove the no-emulation policy on the game
2) Present to me a method where I can return my game for a full refund, as stores that sell software have a policy against returns.

Note that I will never, ever purchase another EA Sports game while this form of copy protection is included.


If the person reading this does not have the authority or ability to comply with either of the two suggested means of resolution above, please forward this to the appropriate person.



Current mood = pissed off
 
thats really messed up I have not even seen that before. I dont use that type of utility but I know people who do and have never run into that. Maybe its some sort of new thing they are doing against piracy, which sux in your case since you own it in the first place. I do know that EA does some crazy copy protection with thier sports games especially the Madden series. Good luck and let us know what they end up saying.
 
I would be highly pissed off BUT..

this would have been addressed better through snail mail. Why?

Proof of purchase + receipt would show that you actaully own the game. In an email you can say that you legitamatley bought it but HOW are you going to prove it? Picture? That's no good. Snap shot. nope.

So write the SAME email in snail mail and send it. You are more liable to get an answer that way instead of.... oh look another person saying he has the game legitamatly but no proof.
 
They are doing their best to stop piracy. How about you just use the CD ? How lazy can one human be .... :eek:
 
theNoid said:
They are doing their best to stop piracy. How about you just use the CD ? How lazy can one human be .... :eek:

You don't understand. If I put the CD in the drive, it *still* says I have emulation software. My choice, then, is to uninstall Alcohol 120% every time I want to play and then reinstall it afterwards. CD swapping isn't an option for me for every game. I have a dozen or so games installed and don't want and shouldn't have to fumble around with the cd drive when I decide to play, say, Neverwinter Nights or Diablo II for a couple hours and then switch to Madden or Baldur's Gate.

If you purchased a car, would you be upset if the car said "You have an automatic garage door opener installed in your garage. Please remove this or I will not function"? You paid for the damn car, you should be able to use it as you please, yes?
 
figgie said:
I would be highly pissed off BUT..

this would have been addressed better through snail mail. Why?

Proof of purchase + receipt would show that you actaully own the game. In an email you can say that you legitamatley bought it but HOW are you going to prove it? Picture? That's no good. Snap shot. nope.

So write the SAME email in snail mail and send it. You are more liable to get an answer that way instead of.... oh look another person saying he has the game legitamatly but no proof.
If they ask for that, fine. I registered the CD Key and such, and can provide scans of the discs and proof of purchase/receipt if they ask. Of course, CBS News showed us how reliable scanned documents can be ;)
 
bipolar said:
You don't understand. If I put the CD in the drive, it *still* says I have emulation software. My choice, then, is to uninstall Alcohol 120% every time I want to play and then reinstall it afterwards. CD swapping isn't an option for me for every game. I have a dozen or so games installed and don't want and shouldn't have to fumble around with the cd drive when I decide to play, say, Neverwinter Nights or Diablo II for a couple hours and then switch to Madden or Baldur's Gate.

If you purchased a car, would you be upset if the car said "You have an automatic garage door opener installed in your garage. Please remove this or I will not function"? You paid for the damn car, you should be able to use it as you please, yes?

keep the cds close to your desk..I do. Not like it's that big of a deal.
you after all...playing Diablo 2 or NN for a couple of hours...then you want to play Madden.
it's not like your turbo :Game A, Game B, Game A again, Game C now, OH OH Game B again.

On the flip side, how would you like it if you spent years on a game and someone just came by and stole it for free? NOT saying you're doing that, but you're one of the casulties from rampant stealing
 
Netrat33 said:
keep the cds close to your desk..I do. Not like it's that big of a deal.
you after all...playing Diablo 2 or NN for a couple of hours...then you want to play Madden.
it's not like your turbo :Game A, Game B, Game A again, Game C now, OH OH Game B again.
Again: Games run faster from the HDD. CD Rom is much noisier than HDD. Any piece of software that tells me what I can nor can not also have installed on my computer I am against. What if your AIM (or whatever program you use) said you couldn't have WinAMP or Foobar installed? You wouldn't have a problem with that at all?
 
Well.. I can understand your frustration. But in reality ... EA is NOT going to change their new method of fighting piracy to please someone too lazy to uninstall emulation software and just use the CD like 99% of gamers.

I look into my crystal ball and foresee you uninstalling Alcohol 120% and using the CD. If EA changes their policy for one person, I'll unveil to the world my magical flying pigs.

I'm not trying to flame or anything, but really man .. just use the CD like we all do :D
 
They are doing their best to stop piracy. How about you just use the CD ? How lazy can one human be ....

It would do the same thing wether or not you were playing with the CD. Splinter Cell:pandora's Box (Ubi Soft, worse then EA) was included with my Leadtek 6800GT. Imagine to my annoyance that I was not allowed to play my game because I had 'emulation software' installed, even with the DVD inside.

CloneCD was the culprit. I had it installed because it is an alternative to Nero for burning CD's. I had to uninstall it to be able to play, even though the reason it is installed had nothing to do with piracy or even to use as a virtual drive.

All this new copy protection scheme is doing, is annoying people who play the game legit. People who have downloaded the game only need to burn the game, or get a crack to bypass the protection. It's yet another example of a clueless executive that thought they could stop piracy by stopping people from playing games with other software installed.

All it does is annoy legitimate buyers of the game, and turning them towards piracy to avoid dealing with this protection junk.
 
theNoid said:
Well.. I can understand your frustration. But in reality ... EA is NOT going to change their new method of fighting piracy to please someone too lazy to uninstall emulation software and just use the CD like 99% of gamers.

I look into my crystal ball and foresee you uninstalling Alcohol 120% and using the CD. If EA changes their policy for one person, I'll unveil to the world my magical flying pigs.

I'm not trying to flame or anything, but really man .. just use the CD like we all do :D
I forsee me finding a workaround or returning the game for a refund.
 
Valid points, yet its not going to change. So ... uninstall your emulation software (which by the way is used mainly by people who DON'T pay for games). Use the CD on your games... and poof! fixed.

Its not rocket science. I seemed to have figured it out, without ranting.
 
bipolar said:
I forsee me finding a workaround or returning the game for a refund.

Your call. Seems silly that you can't just man up and use the CD like everyone else. I mean honestly ... all your point does is show how lazy you are.
 
theNoid said:
Your call. Seems silly that you can't just man up and use the CD like everyone else. I mean honestly ... all your point does is show how lazy you are.

It's not just about using the CD, it's about being told what software he can have installed on his computer.
 
t. shuffle said:
It's not just about using the CD, it's about being told what software he can have installed on his computer.
Exactly. I'm not going to financially support a company that has decided it is the aribter of what I can and can not have on my computer. Maybe you have no issues with this, Noid, but as a nominal civil libertarian, I don't believe it is up to EA to tell me what I can and can not do with my computer. They are not my elected official, passing laws. They are not a judge, appointed by my elected officials. They are a publicly held company, nothing more, and while you may have no qualms about ceding your rights away to them, I most certainly do.

BTW, if you want to reply to me, you have to delete all porn from your computer. That's the rule that I am arbitrarily establishing :rolleyes:
 
theNoid said:
Your call. Seems silly that you can't just man up and use the CD like everyone else. I mean honestly ... all your point does is show how lazy you are.

Lay off the guy. I can totally understand the want to just click on an icon and start a game without a cd in the drive. I think its really dumb that EA has decided to go ahead and put that piracy protection on. It's not lazy to want that. To force a user to have to unistall another product becuase "some" people use it for piracy is abserd. That that is saying that anyone would use that program for illegal purpose...ie guilty until proven innocent. Alcohol is not an illegal program. I can totally relate to his frustration. Don't be narrow sighted and say its just because he just lazy.
 
well i use achohol 120 a decent amount, i think its gay that they block emulation software, but if i install a game that i bought that wont run with emulation software i just say scrwe it and get the crack. Or pirate the game or something.
 
I agree with bipolar, Virtual CD which actually ALLOWS you to make a .vcd of your software is included in the "emulation" popup that I get when trying to play doom3. My option? to remove virtual cd and all the cds clones that I ACTUALLY bought just to play this fucking game..ridiculous...I will not keep installing vcd after each time I play doom3...thats utter ridiculous...
 
Uninstall Alcohol 120% and reinstall it when you nolonger have Madden on, not hard is it? The installer for the program is less then 10MB's...

But like everyone stated, this wont stop and will become more common once more companies begin using software like this, blame piracy. Now the legal guys are suffering thanks to them...
 
|MaguS| said:
Uninstall Alcohol 120% and reinstall it when you nolonger have Madden on, not hard is it? The installer for the program is less then 10MB's...

But like everyone stated, this wont stop and will become more common once more companies begin using software like this, blame piracy. Now the legal guys are suffering thanks to them...

Your right, its not that hard but that's not the point. EA is deciding what progams he can have installed on his computer. Its like the company that made your carpet telling you what furniture you can or can't have.
 
|MaguS| said:
Uninstall Alcohol 120% and reinstall it when you nolonger have Madden on, not hard is it? The installer for the program is less then 10MB's...

But like everyone stated, this wont stop and will become more common once more companies begin using software like this, blame piracy. Now the legal guys are suffering thanks to them...
I still have the previous Madden installed -- I have huge hd's, I never uninstall games ... never know when I might get the urge to play a game even after months of not playing it. So, your option is effectively removing Alcohol 120% from my system permanently. Not an option.

For instance, I didn't play Diablo II for over a year, then recently started playing it again. No desire to continually reinstall games if I get the urge to play, and then be forced to use the CD.
 
Saying you can't play because you have emulation software is like saying you can't watch a pay-per-view movie because you have a VCR hooked up. All you people saying just uninstall it, would you unhook your VCR to watch a movie, then hook it up after the movie was over? Would you do that every time you wanted to watch a movie?
 
RagingGecko said:
Saying you can't play because you have emulation software is like saying you can't watch a pay-per-view movie because you have a VCR hooked up. All you people saying just uninstall it, would you unhook your VCR to watch a movie, then hook it up after the movie was over? Would you do that every time you wanted to watch a movie?
But hey, can you blame them? The people who use VCRs are mainly those who record and steal video. Not to mention they would have to be incredibly lazy to not uninstall it each time they wanted to watch PPV. :rolleyes:

and yes, that is sarcasm.
 
thats pretty unfair of EA to do that... Its not up to them to force users to remove other programs to play their games, especially something as innocent as al 120..

Yes innocent, I installed alcohol 120 since it worked the best for me when burning CDs. As for backing up information, I always chose to use that program. Just because some people use it for emulation and copying games, doesnt mean thats the sole intention of that program. They have no right to force someone to remove programs like ALcohol 120 or clone CD so they can play their game. Thats just bs.

Im also waiting for thenoid to post his 78th reply to this thread flaming the topic starter calling him lazy again after totally missing the point of the thread :rolleyes:
 
RagingGecko said:
Saying you can't play because you have emulation software is like saying you can't watch a pay-per-view movie because you have a VCR hooked up. All you people saying just uninstall it, would you unhook your VCR to watch a movie, then hook it up after the movie was over? Would you do that every time you wanted to watch a movie?

awesome example WINNAR!

edit: I'm having the same problem :(
 
You can get around this all by doing the following...

Download Deamon Tools, and use that to emulate your CD drives, its allowed by applications..... ie they dont check for it.

Secondly use Nero to make a backup copy of your CD's.... So you can have your cake and eat it too....

Nero only does archives in .nrg format but you can get a free program called UltraISO to convert .nrg to .iso that way you can mount your PERFECT copy on your HD all perfectly allowed.
 
bipolar said:
Again: Games run faster from the HDD.
Hold on, what I am hearing you say here sounds like you think that the entire game is ran off of the CD. All it needs the CD for is the initial check just to see if you own a valid copy of the game, after that it shouldn't need the CD anymore. Speed should not even be an issue here.
 
bipolar said:
BTW, if you want to reply to me, you have to delete all porn from your computer. That's the rule that I am arbitrarily establishing :rolleyes:

Well the law does state what you are allowed on your computer, that includes porn
You don't have the right to do whatever you want and pirate anything.

As for the VCR and pay-per-view: Not really legal either. Just nothing they can do about it.
It's supposed to be view it once.

FLip side to your arguement: Try watching a DVD connected through your VCR.
copy protection makes it VERY annoying to watch it.
 
Bane said:
Hold on, what I am hearing you say here sounds like you think that the entire game is ran off of the CD. All it needs the CD for is the initial check just to see if you own a valid copy of the game, after that it shouldn't need the CD anymore. Speed should not even be an issue here.

exactly
 
Bane said:
Hold on, what I am hearing you say here sounds like you think that the entire game is ran off of the CD. All it needs the CD for is the initial check just to see if you own a valid copy of the game, after that it shouldn't need the CD anymore. Speed should not even be an issue here.
Well now, that all depends on the game. Try playing Diablo II. In Act 5, you'll notice a significant pause when entering the Bloody Foothills or fighting in Baal's Throne Room as music is loaded from the CD-ROM. It's only about 1/2 second, but playing Hardcore, that's the difference between dying or not.

Some games copy all files over, some don't. Having the image on the hdd makes it so you don't have to worry about it, ever.
 
theNoid said:
...

I look into my crystal ball and foresee you uninstalling Alcohol 120% and using the CD. If EA changes their policy for one person, I'll unveil to the world my magical flying pigs.

Personally, I'd really like to see the magical flying pigs... :p
 
Netrat33 said:
As for the VCR and pay-per-view: Not really legal either. Just nothing they can do about it.
It's supposed to be view it once.

You misunderstood my post. It isn't illegal to WATCH a payperview movie with a VCR hooked up. It's illegal to copy the movie. What EA has done is say you can't play the game whether you copy it or not, because you have the potential to copy it.
 
Netrat33 said:
Well the law does state what you are allowed on your computer, that includes porn
You don't have the right to do whatever you want and pirate anything.

As for the VCR and pay-per-view: Not really legal either. Just nothing they can do about it.
It's supposed to be view it once.

FLip side to your arguement: Try watching a DVD connected through your VCR.
copy protection makes it VERY annoying to watch it.
As long as I'm not violating any laws established by my representatives in the state and federal legislature, I'm free to do whatsoever I like. I can have porn, so long as it is not illegal porn. I'm not pirating anything, so not sure where you got that from. It *is* legal to make backups of software. It's called Fair Use, you may want to google it before proceeding. In a nutshell: It is not illegal to make backups of software, but the software manufacturer doesn't have to make it "easy" -- they can add copy protection. However, when that copy protection starts telling me what otherwise-legal programs I can have installed, they go to far.
 
RagingGecko said:
You misunderstood my post. It isn't illegal to WATCH a payperview movie with a VCR hooked up. It's illegal to copy the movie. What EA has done is say you can't play the game whether you copy it or not, because you have the potential to copy it.

Well yea I understood that (that's why I gave the example of watching a DVD connected to a VCR) But I bet you if PPV could detect if you had a VCR hooked up, they would probably try to stop viewing too. They just can't though
 
bipolar said:
As long as I'm not violating any laws established by my representatives in the state and federal legislature, I'm free to do whatsoever I like. I can have porn, so long as it is not illegal porn. I'm not pirating anything, so not sure where you got that from. It *is* legal to make backups of software. It's called Fair Use, you may want to google it before proceeding. In a nutshell: It is not illegal to make backups of software, but the software manufacturer doesn't have to make it "easy" -- they can add copy protection. However, when that copy protection starts telling me what otherwise-legal programs I can have installed, they go to far.


You don't own THEIR rights for games though. They are allowed to check for whatever software you have. And if they have it in there little that you click "I agree" and part of theh program and that's how their program works whether you like it or not says it wont work with such software installed, it doesn't have to work. They are in there rights.

And you are FREE to do whatsoever in your rights LEGALLY. much like they are.

And much like if you were actually able to enforce it or check for it, people couldn't respond to you unless they deleted their porn ;) But you can't so TUFF! ;)
 
I don't know about the latest version of Alcohol 120%, but it has a function like CloneCD to "Hide CDR Media", which you can't turn off. In CloneCD you can turn it off. This is most likely the culprit with the emulation detection. I had the same problem with CloneCD, I disabled the "Hide CDR Media" and all worked fine after that.
 
Netrat33 said:
You don't own THEIR rights for games though. They are allowed to check for whatever software you have. And if they have it in there little that you click "I agree" and part of theh program and that's how their program works whether you like it or not says it wont work with such software installed, it doesn't have to work. They are in there rights.

And you are FREE to do whatsoever in your rights LEGALLY. much like they are.
We're just going to have to disagree on this; I don't think they have the right to prevent me from playing their game -- with or without the CD ROM in the drive -- because of a piece of software that happens to be installed on that computer. I'll see what their license has to say ... who actually reads those things anyway ;)

The upshot, as I said, is that for as long as they use this type of invasive copy protection, I'll never purchase an EA Game again.
 
bipolar said:
We're just going to have to disagree on this; I don't think they have the right to prevent me from playing their game -- with or without the CD ROM in the drive -- because of a piece of software that happens to be installed on that computer. I'll see what their license has to say ... who actually reads those things anyway ;)

The upshot, as I said, is that for as long as they use this type of invasive copy protection, I'll never purchase an EA Game again.

You could also see if they are violating their own EULA. I would think something would have to be stated like that, and if it's not, well I'm going to out, get madden 2k5, install alochol 120, have the same problem, and then sue EA for violating their EULA.

**EDIT**

That's like saying "I'm sorry, you have a CD burner, therefore you have the potential to copy the game, so until you uninstall that CD burner, you cannot play this game."
 
bipolar said:
The upshot, as I said, is that for as long as they use this type of invasive copy protection, I'll never purchase an EA Game again.

yea you'll just pirate and you are who they are trying to stop!! ;)

I'm just messin with ya :D
 
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