New 6200 @ 6600 + benchmarks (3DMark03/05, Doom3, CS:S)

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As usual, my whining in the other 6200 thread was for nothing. :p

I got the 6200 today ($80 shipped "refurb" at newegg) and not only was it in a retail box with all accessories (manual, cd, HDTV dongle, DVI-VGA adapter, etc), rivatuner also successfully unlocked the 4 extra pipelines and it still overclocks pretty decently unlocked: 400MHz core/675MHz memory so far (300/500 stock). :D I haven't tried higher yet. It's almost like getting a 6610 XL (400/800) for $80.

All benchmarks were run @ 400/675 with all 8 pipelines enabled:

6728 3DMark03 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3780594
2743 3DMark05 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=656909

Doom3, HQ, 8xAF, 0xAA, timedemo demo1
1600x1200 32.0fps
1280x1024 43.8fps
1024x768 63.0fps
800x600 79.4fps

CS:S, all options high, reflect world, 0xAA, trilinear, custom aztec 6 player demo
1600x1200 55.13fps
1280x1024 73.78fpsfps
1024x768 86.37fps
800x600 97.21fps

Nice card for running games @ 1280x1024. Best $80 i've wasted recently. :D
 
Not a bad card when your on a very small budget. Definatley an improvement over the FX 5200.
 
aZn_plyR said:
holy crap..this thing dust a 9800xt in 3dmarks
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It's about the same speed as a stock 9800XT in 3DMark... at a fraction of the price. :D

It's also pretty competitive in other games at 1280x1024 and lower with the 9800XT. Pretty impressive since it has less than 1/2 the memory bandwidth.
 
Is this the same 6200TC that you originally scored 1,400ish in 3DMark05 with?
Cause that is what I treated it like.
 
mentok1982 said:
Is this the same 6200TC that you originally scored 1,400ish in 3DMark05 with?
Cause that is what I treated it like.
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Naw, this is a full 6200 128MB/128-bit memory like I said above. The 6200TC was 64MB ("supporting 256MB") with 64-bit memory.

I am going to update my other thread with comparisons to this 6200 at stock speed and unlocked/overclocked.
 
Let's keep this post near the top so people can report in.

My 6600 256MB is clocked at 500/550 right now (from 300/500 stock), and I'm getting about 100 pts more than you in 3DMark05/03 w/ a P4 3.4GHz/925X computer.

Try 500 on the core; it should do that unless the pipelines are iffy.
 
p0tempkin said:
Try 500 on the core; it should do that unless the pipelines are iffy.
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I'm going to try another 40-50MHz bump today. I like to test cards for stability pretty thoroughly since i'm satisfied with the initial 100MHz bump. The auto-detect I did with only 4 pipelines enabled was a little under 400MHz. It's been warm here lately (80F), so that might be the problem.

And this was only a 6200 to begin with... doubling the pipelines + 100MHz is a giant leap in performance over stock. :D I might pick up a 6610 XL if I can find one.
 
the auto detect thing i pretty accurate..well gives u a pretty good prediction..if it detect just under 400..I doubt 500 would be possible..and O yeah..does your card a a real 6600 has the same gpu voltage?
 
aZn_plyR said:
does your card a a real 6600 has the same gpu voltage?
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I think the voltage on the 6200 and 6600 is the same. I'll check it with a BIOS editor later.

So far 450MHz core is looking perfect. No artifacting in rthdribl or 3DMark03/05 after a couple of hours. Next stop tomorrow: 500MHz. :D

I'm testing it in a closed case (8400 in sig) with just a CPU exhaust fan and quiet PSU fan. Dell does a good job at designing case cooling. Even so far, 150MHz core and 175MHz memory overclocks with stock cooling (no ramsinks) is pretty impressive in addition to unlocking the 4 extra pipelines.

7054 3DMark03 http://service.futuremark.com/servl...ojectdetails&projectType=10&projectId=3783600
2917 3DMark05 http://service.futuremark.com/servl...rojectdetails&projectType=12&projectId=659597

at 500MHz this thing will get close to my 6800 OC in 3DMark05. :eek:

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GTPoompt said:
can you run a 3dmark 2001 test?
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I don't see any value in it since it's heavily influenced by the CPU speed. I guess I can run it tomorrow.
 
Ackbar said:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52765&page=1&pp=25 ;)

I can get 3dmark05: 3342 when all is said and done. :eek:

Good luck with your card, these guys overclock like on crack!
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You've inspired me. ;)

I'm doing testing at 525/700 now. I haven't touched the heatsink yet, but maybe i'll try for higher when I see what goop gigabyte used. Initial artifact testing with rthdribl shows nothing wrong so far.

3193 3DMark05 http://service.futuremark.com/servl...rojectdetails&projectType=12&projectId=660217 (my email was downloading... will run again tomorrow)
7606 3DMark03 http://service.futuremark.com/servl...ojectdetails&projectType=10&projectId=3784072

Doom3, HQ, 8xAF, 0xAA, timedemo demo1
1600x1200 36.4fps
1280x1024 49.7fps
1024x768 68.9fps
800x600 83.2fps

CS:S, all options high, reflect world, 0xAA, trilinear, custom aztec 6 player demo
1600x1200 64.98fps
1280x1024 81.60fps
1024x768 89.06fps

No artifacts so far.

Since when did 4ns memory run at 700MHz in a warm case? :confused:
 
maybe it isn't 4ns :) rip off that heatsink and throw some AS5 and check what kind of ram it has :)
 
aZn_plyR said:
maybe it isn't 4ns :) rip off that heatsink and throw some AS5 and check what kind of ram it has :)
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It's Hynix 4ns. No heatsinks on the chips. :eek:
 
pxc said:
It's Hynix 4ns. No heatsinks on the chips. :eek:
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No idea... everyone seems to be able to push these cores and memories like crazy. I've never seen such massive overclocks on a video card before! It's like they took a 6600GT quietly rebadged it as a 6200 (aside from the lack of GDDR3 of course)!
 
what brand is your 6200 Ackbar? I've been looking at a low cost video card that can play Unreal 2004 and tribes Vengeance at 1024x768 hopefully maxed out. I only have AGP though.

I only have AGP though, so probably not as high benchies as you guys. Whats the chance for unlocking the extra 4 pipes.

Only reason I was asking for 2001 was is because I can't really relate to the newer benchies because I have a TI-4200.

Would and AMD XP 3200+ 200fsb 512 meg ram be a bottleneck? I'm thinking if I go and buy a 6600GT it'll just be bottlenecked by my proc.

Or would I be better off with the 6600 non-gt because the AGP prices are somewhat strange right now... maybe BFG tech will make a 6200 with GDDR3! someone send them emails! :D
 
a 6800ultra should be good

stop worrying about the dang bottleneck....
 
i just don't want to spend too much money on something thats going to be limited by my processor. This will probably be my last desktop for a while anyway, so i'm not paying more $$$ to get a PCI-e mobo and stuff

I used to have a P4 1.6 with 640mb pc133 ram and i could barely play ut2004 at 640x480 in medium settings. I just upgraded and now i can play 1024x768 at medium at around 30 fps...

edit, almost forgot the prices.

newegg has the chaintech 6200 for 102... http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-145-110&depa=1 but it doesn't say whether its 128 bit or 64 bit. It's probably 64 because chaintech has a 64 bit 6600.....

The leadtek is about $20 more. leadtek also has a $149.99 6600...
 
a few scores at 550/700:

3277 3DMark05 http://service.futuremark.com/servl...rojectdetails&projectType=12&projectId=660458

36.9fps Doom3 HQ 1600x1200 (same config as listed above)

65.45fps CS:S 1600x1200 (same config as listed above)

I guess 75.90 isn't ideal for 3DMark05. :p

I'm pretty sure that's the highest stable speed now. 250MHz core overclock, 200MHz memory overclock. The core is memory starved which is why the last bump to 550MHz core didn't do much for the game scores.

GTPoompt said:
newegg has the chaintech 6200 for 102... http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-145-110&depa=1 but it doesn't say whether its 128 bit or 64 bit. It's probably 64 because chaintech has a 64 bit 6600.....
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newegg said:
Detailed Specifications
Chip/Clock Speed nVIDIA GeForce 6200 / 300MHz
Memory Configuration 500MHz 128MB 128-bit DDR
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Holy smokes, 700MHz memory without any additional cooling? If so, you got a gem there.

Looks like I should have bought a 6200 instead of a 6600, if that makes any sense. Or at least a 128MB 6600 instead of a 256MB card...the memory clocks are what is holding my performance back.
 
GTPoompt said:
Run Wolfenstein 3d and tell me what's your FPS :).
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It's locked at 30fps IIRC. I tested it with FRAPS a few months ago.

There are W3D conversions, but those aren't the same software engine as the original.
 
I've been playing around with the 76.10 drivers today. Not really much difference in performance from the 71.84 or 75.90 drivers.

Here's a 250KB HL2 screen at 1600x1200 w/2xAA and 4xAF. It kind of chugs in outside areas with lots of enemies on screen (mid-20s fps), but it's still very playable. Notice the framerate and pretty poor 2xAA (motto: better than nothing). ;)

http://www.notveryserio.us/pix/fshl262002xaa4xaf.jpg

bah, PSP killed the end of that file when saving to jpg :mad:. here's a similar one: http://www.notveryserio.us/pix/fs62002.jpg
 
you guys think I should buy the leadtek over the chaintech? The problem with the leadtek is that the hsf coveres some of the ram, so there is no space for some memory heatsinks. But I generally hear that leadtek is the better brand.

What is the sucess rate of unlocking pipelines? It looks ilke 100% but you can never be sure.

btw, i'm buying AGP
 
I just received the Leadtek card on Newegg. The Chaintech wasn't for sale at the time, but worse things have happened to me. I'll report on how well it unlocks, but I can't test it with my aftermarket cooler and ramsinks untill Saturday evening.
 
cool, tell me how the unlocking + overclocking goes :)

I don't plan on buying until 3 or 4 more days, need to wait for a money order to come.

EDIT: can you tell what the ram is? 4ns or 3.3ns?

EDIT2: i'm guessing the 3.3ns because they have the memory clocked at 550 stock!

thanks
 
3.6ns memory would do 550MHz stock. ;)

The Gigabyte I got was supposed to run at 550MHz stock, but it only came at 500MHz. Not that i'm complaining. :D
 
OK, I just installed the Leadtek card.

Bad news #1: The only unlockable feature was a single pixel renderer.
Leadtek_Geforce_6200_AGP.png


Bad news #2: On a 6200/6600, the mounting holes are the correct diameter, but they are 8CM apart. My aftermarket cooling hardware is useless because it mounts on the holes.

I can't comment on the RAM or on overclocking until I figure something out with those pipelines. Maybe there is a firmware hack, but I'll have to deal with it next week.

Another thing to think about: The Chaintech card appears to have fewer RAM chips than the Leadtek. Make sure it has the right amount of memory and that it is not a Turbocache model.
 
Demogorg0 said:
OK, I just installed the Leadtek card.

Bad news #1: The only unlockable feature was a single pixel renderer. http://demog.org/o/junk/Leadtek_Geforce_6200_AGP.png[/i mg][/QUOTE]Each "pixel unit" is 4 pipelines on the NV43. :p There are no other differences between the 6200 and 6600 after you unlock the disabled half: both have 3 vertex shader units and both run at the same stock speed.

Just unlock it and verify that all 8 pipelines work. The stocking cooling is very good on these cards. I got 550MHz on the core without even messing with it. Artifacts don't even show up in rthdribl until I hit 580MHz.
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what aftermarket cooler do you have? Is it one fit for the 6600GT?

I'll probably go with leadtek anyway. The 3.6ns ram will probably OC better than the 4.0ns, and leadtek is more reputable.

Unfortunately I can't buy until 2 days from now. PLEASE don't go out of stock :)

Can you unlock temperature for core and stuff as well?
 
pxc said:
Each "pixel unit" is 4 pipelines on the NV43. :p There are no other differences between the 6200 and 6600 after you unlock the disabled half: both have 3 vertex shader units and both run at the same stock speed.

Just unlock it and verify that all 8 pipelines work.
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Thanks for clearing this up, I really thought I screwed up for a minute there.
 
GTPoompt said:
what aftermarket cooler do you have? Is it one fit for the 6600GT?

I'll probably go with leadtek anyway. The 3.6ns ram will probably OC better than the 4.0ns, and leadtek is more reputable.

Unfortunately I can't buy until 2 days from now. PLEASE don't go out of stock :)

Can you unlock temperature for core and stuff as well?
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The cooler that I have is a Zalman passive sandwich heatsink with a 80mm fan that I mounted on it. It fits the Geforce 2 through 5X00 series, but I found out the hard way that the 6200/6600 series needs coolers designed especially for them. The mounting hardware is completely different from the 6800 series, so I thought this meant that I could use my older cooler. What a pain in the ass.

Yeah, 6600GT looks like it has the same layout, but you should check to make sure.

When you talk about unlocking temperature, do you mean the temperature sensor, for third party utils? I can't see a way to do it in Rivatuner. You can unlock "pro features", whatever that is.
 
yeah, i was reading in another forum (the one that Ackbar and AlterBridge post in), and there apparently is a way to enable temperature monitoring on the 6200. It's activated some way in the 6200's bios. I can send you the link later tonight when I get back to school if you want

How's the performance Demo? Got good OC's?
 
Wow, these are some amazing OCs with mind blowing results. I'm not even sure I want to kick down 300 bucks for x800xl anymore... :confused:
 
GTPoompt: LOL I just trashed my 6200's BIOS when i flashed it back. I'm not sure what the problem is since I used 2 different programs to edit the BIOS and used nvchk to redo the checksum and both ways it causes the card to fail at POST... not even a blind boot is available.

I "borrowed" a PCI card from Fry's after the first failure and fixed it each time by reflashing the original BIOS.

Code: 
I:\>fc /b 6200save.ROM 6200new.ROM
Comparing files 6200SAVE.ROM and 6200NEW.ROM
0000EC65: 10 00
0000F9FF: 1A 2A
:confused: One byte is changed and the checksum is updated. I never had problems like this with any other recent nvidia cards. Just be sure to back up and save a copy of the original BIOS before you start. :p
 
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