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Conroe...
The conroe uses 4mb's of L2, it is a SSE monster. 2 cores, extra 64 bit line. About it. Will be a great multi-tasker. But its really not that impressave. It cheats by using that 4mb's of fast L2 for long processes meaning it seems faster then it really is. But when it runs out of L2 its no more as good as a FX-60. The conroe is great for benching and sprinting. But won't be as good in games as a next gen FX.
Conroe is impressave don't get me wrong. But its also on 65nm's. AMD hasn't wanted to steap that way yet. They really like to keep there lips shut. But they been knowing how to goto 65nm's for along time. Even 45nm's. But it takes then a year to switch to diff processes. They been experamenting for awile. Amazing 90mn tech really stood up to intel for this long AMD has been using. AMD currently is still the best if you don't include conroe. Intel had to totaly change the way they made cpus to out beat AMD for the molment. But like always AMD hides tricks up their sleve.
AMD is experementing on perfecting K8 arcitecture. They managed to perfect 90nm tech on the AM2. 65nm's come later for AMD cpus. Always be patent to wait for the best. Intel's 90nm tech was flimsy and amazingly inefficient. It got better with 65nm's for intel. But they are only 2nd best. Intel always rushes tech out the door cus they are afrade. See how AMD always is level headed, you don't see AMD rushing AM2 out the door. Oviously something doesn't have them shaking in their boots. Not cus they don't have the tech. They just don't really care.
AMD...
Heres what AMD has done to finalize the 90nm arcitecture. It can't get any better then how AMD has made it now. Its even more efficient, they improved speed per clock abit, Raised multiplyer FSB from 200 to 333 and HTT to 1300. They made L2 improvments and are experementing with smaller S cells. They will switch to a faster type of L2 called Z cells and use L3 later. Almost amedeitly Socket F will have 4 cores. The CPU's will be larger and faster then the AM2 types and be using the pad socket types with 1200+ pins. L2 is more dense in these new AM2 chips. Use 940 standard pins. Run a HTT at 2600MT/s. Use DDR2 and DDR3 later as well as other types of fast ram.
Only a 10 to 15% increase in speed. What can you expect from 90nm tech tho? It is the max they can get out of the process. Just see what happens with 65nm's and AMD. Will be a much nicer difference. Anyways the core itself has been made in such a way where its 90nm perfection. They put new types of instructions into it and another 64 bit path. They changed the heatsink bracket itself so it could take much larger heatsinks so they could increase their clock speeds twords more what the newer boards and chips are capable of since its a new socket the limits of clock speed are no longer the same at stock. Besides the fact that AMD makes chips underclocked so they can be overclocked.
AMD chips prob never run at real stock on what they are tested on. Usouly can get 1gb out of them nomatter what in a OC. And 1.5gb in a good day mostly with the semperons. This will be doubled because of the slightly different desine still K8 but with verious improvments to increase performance and tollarances. This means a great deal to OCing. No cap leakage at high speeds and FSB as well as volts being the main factor. Intels are very well known at cap leakage. AMD has made the multiplyer to 333 per x now. making data transfure about 40% faster and raises the max FSB for the cpu's threshhold from around 400 or 500 in a OC or higher. You'll see DFI boards with a FSB multiplyer at around 600 max. Usouly 450fsb is max on current boards like my Tforce6100 or any DFI boards. Tho almost no one can ever brake 400fsb. Rare they can. Well in the extreme forums they like to show off like that. Some just get lucky.
Future...
That socket type is capable of stock speeds of more around 4ghz. We'll see speeds on AMD's line at around 2007 and 5ghz at 2008. Ahh the laws of speed. Doubles every 2 years. Well thats speed wise on how AMD clocks their cpus much differently then intels. But I know AMD is going to have better speed per clock over time so 3ghz in 2 years to AMD is going to be like 8ghz to intel now as in how intel clocks their cpus until . Conroe... that is then intel changed the way they clocked cpus becuase its faster per clock then current intel chips.
Conclusion...
So whats the point of all that. I just said what most know maybe. Just expect more from the master. Thoses who hold out win in the end. Just because intel wins in the sprint doesn't mean they will win when the time comes. Hay hasn't this always been the case? Intel comes out with something that beats amd then amd comes to beat there ass all over again am I wrong no? AMD puts the wool over our eyes for a reason cus they don't want intel to know what they got cooking and its always intresting to see what they come out with. Socket F will be much better then socket AM2 remember. We know even less of the server line then we do of AM2. And not everything has been released. All we seen is test samples of both. And nothing is ever great at launch.
The FX-62 isn't even close to the best cpu we will see. They do have lines of them upto FX-70's ya know in proto type right now. Infact in 65nm's as well but only prototypes, not cus I know. But I just know how devlopment works around factories, it takes a sertent amount of time and teams to develop the tech and make then reasearch and experement on tweaks and such over a period of months on sertent cpus. They have been for the past year in the works. A cpu consept is made 6 months before it even comes out. And in most cases proto types over 3 vers are aready out in the labs on release being experemented and tweeked up. Others more close to release are given to a selected few to be installed and tested under real world experements such as what the cpu can really do on its own. These would be pre production sample prototypes. Almost finals of the product if not the final depending on how good it does, and given to a trusted AMD employee such as one in the development team or a tester. They see if more tweaks need to be done and such. Test its performance and junk and reports back to amd about the test sample then they make final samples to be shown off to the world at a show of some kind. The 1st production modal at a show floor. Development takes years and they been on AM2 S1 and F for awile. Witch is a true assumption. As with intel. We never know whats in the works and what they show on launch is never the badest thing they have. They always have a backup. But intel did seem pritty much in a rush to get their SSE monster out now didn't they to battle AMD... wonder why? Cus intels 65nm stuff didn't live upto the hype. AMD still kicking ass with that old 90nm's now arn't they. Pushed abit too far did AMD? At the last of intels rope perhaps? Ya never know... but one fact remains clear AMD never rushed AM2 out. They took there time way before even the SSE monster was shown by intel. AMD isn't impressed. Well IBM made the tech... intel isn't useing the tech very well.
I mean come on now... look AMD's FX-60 will distroy any intel EE with 65nm tech. AMD's are still currently faster. Thats just the facts. consittering 90nm's agenst 65nm's should make the difference. Well intel had to make a new ark to get them higher finally at a reasonable speed per clock. Intel use to cheat too hard to get that speed too. 4ghz really was more like 2.6ghz or something if ya compared intel to a AMD. Thats silly. Too hot running at 70C and 90C or higher and 150 to 200watts just for the cpu really wasn't my taste. If ya did OCing with a Intel thats what your peak would be in watts. And intels just run until they overheat cus they are programed to to keep the speed up. Oh I just love hateing on the 2nd best now don't I. I guess we all AMD fans love that.
I sure would like both that SSE monster and a new AMD monster. They both don't really impress me, its really not much of a difference. Don't expect a revolution. Only one advancment at a time like this isn't going to make me buy a new system. Or slober over it like a dog in perpetual heat. Its just a better sand box to play with is all. Doesn't mean you'll really see that big of a difference with any 2 machines. maybe in your head. But mixed unmarked boxes with the best of intel and the best of AMD side by side. You'll never tell the difference in a game or anything else. They are the best of the best. They are monsters and what they are. Any system these days is going to be awesome. And when it comes down to it what really matters for games is really the gpu inside not the cpu. But some of us just have to have the best. Go with what your a fan with when it comes out and whats best in the real world. Benches don't matter in the end really Its never enough to even tell unless your told whats in the box. You just can't feel the difference. They are both super fast cpus, with lots of L2, 64 bit, and dual cored. What more could you want?
Well I sure as hell am not going to change my mobo after every new cpu that comes out oh boy intels what fun. >__> Can't intel make one damn chipset that supports all cpus for that generation. 939's supported them all for 3 years. No 775 can support crap for more then 3 months. Just another reason why AMD is better. Intel needs memory controlers in the damn cpu. BTW the cold bug is gone with AMD's new memory controlers. They been perfected as well with total cold resistance. No more limits. Means double the OCing. That maybe the really glory of AMD's. The ultimate overclockers. Well they will have better resistance to everything was one major point to the slight revamp of K8's. They are pritty much K8's in a harder shell. perfect arcitecture and components with v no limit. Thats got to say something to AMD fans. We like to OC. Now we have more to look forward too. I can't wait to see how AM2s and socket F's OC when they come out.
We'll see what really happens on 6/6/6. Cus the FX-62 is evil it be the devil. Ma hahahaha. Intel had better be afrade of that mark cus the FX-62 is very evil with a release date like that. lol That cracked me up. I would be afrade to buy a CPU with a release date like that.
Wouldn't we all... AMD is evil to even issue a date like that. XDD
Thats all I have to say...
The conroe uses 4mb's of L2, it is a SSE monster. 2 cores, extra 64 bit line. About it. Will be a great multi-tasker. But its really not that impressave. It cheats by using that 4mb's of fast L2 for long processes meaning it seems faster then it really is. But when it runs out of L2 its no more as good as a FX-60. The conroe is great for benching and sprinting. But won't be as good in games as a next gen FX.
Conroe is impressave don't get me wrong. But its also on 65nm's. AMD hasn't wanted to steap that way yet. They really like to keep there lips shut. But they been knowing how to goto 65nm's for along time. Even 45nm's. But it takes then a year to switch to diff processes. They been experamenting for awile. Amazing 90mn tech really stood up to intel for this long AMD has been using. AMD currently is still the best if you don't include conroe. Intel had to totaly change the way they made cpus to out beat AMD for the molment. But like always AMD hides tricks up their sleve.
AMD is experementing on perfecting K8 arcitecture. They managed to perfect 90nm tech on the AM2. 65nm's come later for AMD cpus. Always be patent to wait for the best. Intel's 90nm tech was flimsy and amazingly inefficient. It got better with 65nm's for intel. But they are only 2nd best. Intel always rushes tech out the door cus they are afrade. See how AMD always is level headed, you don't see AMD rushing AM2 out the door. Oviously something doesn't have them shaking in their boots. Not cus they don't have the tech. They just don't really care.
AMD...
Heres what AMD has done to finalize the 90nm arcitecture. It can't get any better then how AMD has made it now. Its even more efficient, they improved speed per clock abit, Raised multiplyer FSB from 200 to 333 and HTT to 1300. They made L2 improvments and are experementing with smaller S cells. They will switch to a faster type of L2 called Z cells and use L3 later. Almost amedeitly Socket F will have 4 cores. The CPU's will be larger and faster then the AM2 types and be using the pad socket types with 1200+ pins. L2 is more dense in these new AM2 chips. Use 940 standard pins. Run a HTT at 2600MT/s. Use DDR2 and DDR3 later as well as other types of fast ram.
Only a 10 to 15% increase in speed. What can you expect from 90nm tech tho? It is the max they can get out of the process. Just see what happens with 65nm's and AMD. Will be a much nicer difference. Anyways the core itself has been made in such a way where its 90nm perfection. They put new types of instructions into it and another 64 bit path. They changed the heatsink bracket itself so it could take much larger heatsinks so they could increase their clock speeds twords more what the newer boards and chips are capable of since its a new socket the limits of clock speed are no longer the same at stock. Besides the fact that AMD makes chips underclocked so they can be overclocked.
AMD chips prob never run at real stock on what they are tested on. Usouly can get 1gb out of them nomatter what in a OC. And 1.5gb in a good day mostly with the semperons. This will be doubled because of the slightly different desine still K8 but with verious improvments to increase performance and tollarances. This means a great deal to OCing. No cap leakage at high speeds and FSB as well as volts being the main factor. Intels are very well known at cap leakage. AMD has made the multiplyer to 333 per x now. making data transfure about 40% faster and raises the max FSB for the cpu's threshhold from around 400 or 500 in a OC or higher. You'll see DFI boards with a FSB multiplyer at around 600 max. Usouly 450fsb is max on current boards like my Tforce6100 or any DFI boards. Tho almost no one can ever brake 400fsb. Rare they can. Well in the extreme forums they like to show off like that. Some just get lucky.
Future...
That socket type is capable of stock speeds of more around 4ghz. We'll see speeds on AMD's line at around 2007 and 5ghz at 2008. Ahh the laws of speed. Doubles every 2 years. Well thats speed wise on how AMD clocks their cpus much differently then intels. But I know AMD is going to have better speed per clock over time so 3ghz in 2 years to AMD is going to be like 8ghz to intel now as in how intel clocks their cpus until . Conroe... that is then intel changed the way they clocked cpus becuase its faster per clock then current intel chips.
Conclusion...
So whats the point of all that. I just said what most know maybe. Just expect more from the master. Thoses who hold out win in the end. Just because intel wins in the sprint doesn't mean they will win when the time comes. Hay hasn't this always been the case? Intel comes out with something that beats amd then amd comes to beat there ass all over again am I wrong no? AMD puts the wool over our eyes for a reason cus they don't want intel to know what they got cooking and its always intresting to see what they come out with. Socket F will be much better then socket AM2 remember. We know even less of the server line then we do of AM2. And not everything has been released. All we seen is test samples of both. And nothing is ever great at launch.
The FX-62 isn't even close to the best cpu we will see. They do have lines of them upto FX-70's ya know in proto type right now. Infact in 65nm's as well but only prototypes, not cus I know. But I just know how devlopment works around factories, it takes a sertent amount of time and teams to develop the tech and make then reasearch and experement on tweaks and such over a period of months on sertent cpus. They have been for the past year in the works. A cpu consept is made 6 months before it even comes out. And in most cases proto types over 3 vers are aready out in the labs on release being experemented and tweeked up. Others more close to release are given to a selected few to be installed and tested under real world experements such as what the cpu can really do on its own. These would be pre production sample prototypes. Almost finals of the product if not the final depending on how good it does, and given to a trusted AMD employee such as one in the development team or a tester. They see if more tweaks need to be done and such. Test its performance and junk and reports back to amd about the test sample then they make final samples to be shown off to the world at a show of some kind. The 1st production modal at a show floor. Development takes years and they been on AM2 S1 and F for awile. Witch is a true assumption. As with intel. We never know whats in the works and what they show on launch is never the badest thing they have. They always have a backup. But intel did seem pritty much in a rush to get their SSE monster out now didn't they to battle AMD... wonder why? Cus intels 65nm stuff didn't live upto the hype. AMD still kicking ass with that old 90nm's now arn't they. Pushed abit too far did AMD? At the last of intels rope perhaps? Ya never know... but one fact remains clear AMD never rushed AM2 out. They took there time way before even the SSE monster was shown by intel. AMD isn't impressed. Well IBM made the tech... intel isn't useing the tech very well.
I mean come on now... look AMD's FX-60 will distroy any intel EE with 65nm tech. AMD's are still currently faster. Thats just the facts. consittering 90nm's agenst 65nm's should make the difference. Well intel had to make a new ark to get them higher finally at a reasonable speed per clock. Intel use to cheat too hard to get that speed too. 4ghz really was more like 2.6ghz or something if ya compared intel to a AMD. Thats silly. Too hot running at 70C and 90C or higher and 150 to 200watts just for the cpu really wasn't my taste. If ya did OCing with a Intel thats what your peak would be in watts. And intels just run until they overheat cus they are programed to to keep the speed up. Oh I just love hateing on the 2nd best now don't I. I guess we all AMD fans love that.
I sure would like both that SSE monster and a new AMD monster. They both don't really impress me, its really not much of a difference. Don't expect a revolution. Only one advancment at a time like this isn't going to make me buy a new system. Or slober over it like a dog in perpetual heat. Its just a better sand box to play with is all. Doesn't mean you'll really see that big of a difference with any 2 machines. maybe in your head. But mixed unmarked boxes with the best of intel and the best of AMD side by side. You'll never tell the difference in a game or anything else. They are the best of the best. They are monsters and what they are. Any system these days is going to be awesome. And when it comes down to it what really matters for games is really the gpu inside not the cpu. But some of us just have to have the best. Go with what your a fan with when it comes out and whats best in the real world. Benches don't matter in the end really Its never enough to even tell unless your told whats in the box. You just can't feel the difference. They are both super fast cpus, with lots of L2, 64 bit, and dual cored. What more could you want?
Well I sure as hell am not going to change my mobo after every new cpu that comes out oh boy intels what fun. >__> Can't intel make one damn chipset that supports all cpus for that generation. 939's supported them all for 3 years. No 775 can support crap for more then 3 months. Just another reason why AMD is better. Intel needs memory controlers in the damn cpu. BTW the cold bug is gone with AMD's new memory controlers. They been perfected as well with total cold resistance. No more limits. Means double the OCing. That maybe the really glory of AMD's. The ultimate overclockers. Well they will have better resistance to everything was one major point to the slight revamp of K8's. They are pritty much K8's in a harder shell. perfect arcitecture and components with v no limit. Thats got to say something to AMD fans. We like to OC. Now we have more to look forward too. I can't wait to see how AM2s and socket F's OC when they come out.
We'll see what really happens on 6/6/6. Cus the FX-62 is evil it be the devil. Ma hahahaha. Intel had better be afrade of that mark cus the FX-62 is very evil with a release date like that. lol That cracked me up. I would be afrade to buy a CPU with a release date like that.
Wouldn't we all... AMD is evil to even issue a date like that. XDDThats all I have to say...
