AMD Brisbane or Windor core?

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Dueyat35

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Hello,

I am in he 754 club mostly but I am thinking aboutthe AM-2 switch and what core and what is the best overclocker or bang for the buck right now on a Am-2 on a budget? I am running a ATi x1950 pro right now with a 3200 venice 754 socket at 2.6mhz



thanks for any advice
 
Brisbane overclocks the best get it.

For example, many people can overclock the AM2 Brisbane athlon x2 3600+ from 1.9ghz to 3ghz.
 
If I'm not mistake (and I very well could be) people have been repoting that the latest Winsor's hit between 3.1-3.3 Ghz consistently.
 
Bang for the buck would be the Brisbane, since OC'ing is comparable to Windsor yet Brisbane draws less power/runs cooler.
 
Do you know what motherboard their using? what resonable MB should I try for ?


thanks for your help members


Duane MI
 
from what I understand the brisbanes OC the best except for the windsors with the F3 cores, which OC about the same. The windsors are a little bit more expensive, but they start at a faster clock speed which means a higher OC clock.
 
Brisbane all the way.. You should be able to run yours at 2.7ghz no problem at all.. I've had mine up to 3ghz, but it got a little warm, so I ordered a zalman cooler so I can take it to 3ghz and beyond. I'm loafing along at 2.7ghz now at only like 6-8 degrees hotter than stock under load.

x2 3600 w/ 2x512kb cache @ 2.0ghz - $70
x2 5000 w/ 2x512kb cache @ 2.6ghz - $160

If you run at 2.7ghz, you can expect performance about like a x2 5000, sept $90 cheaper ;) Brisbane is the way to go.

Peace,
Josh
 
How noticeable a gain would a Brisbane 3600@2.7+ be over a 2.6 Newark (mobile 754, 1MB L2)?
These low DDR2 and cpu prices may be hard to pass up, although I have no pressing need to upgrade right now. Oblivion engined Fallout3 would push me, but that won't be out till fall. Ram prices are likely to spike again by then.
 
So getting a Brisbane would be better than a 65w x2 with an F3 stepping?

That confuses me a bit as I remember reading that they slowed down the cache speed on the 65nm chips... So if this is true then a Windsor F3 would be a bit faster than a Brisbane. Though I'm not sure how much faster it would really be.
 
I just got a 5600+ Windsor from the egg. It's running 3.25Ghz @ 1.375V on the stock heatsink (PoS chunk of aluminum) with 2GB OCZ 1066SLI ram 270Mhz 5.0,5,5,15 2.1V Orthos stable running like a top. Those F3 chips are just incredible. Ill try for 3.5Ghz when I get a better AM2 heatsink.
 
I'm planning to get either 3600+ Brisbane, or 3800+ Windsor 65W from the egg or ZZF.
Brisbane is $67, F3 stepping is $78, F2 stepping is $76.
Which one should I get if I plan moderate OC using ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro with it? I mean how far each would go with that cooler and still be very stable?
OM
 
Master_Pain said:
from what I understand the brisbanes OC the best except for the windsors with the F3 cores, which OC about the same. The windsors are a little bit more expensive, but they start at a faster clock speed which means a higher OC clock.
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F3 stepping A64s overclock far better and much more consistently compared to their 65nm Brisbane buddies. However, if you're just trying to go the cheapest route, then obviously it's difficult to do any better than the 3600+.

If you're looking to overclock, get an F3 3800X2 for $79 w/free shipping. You'll have a higher multiplier than the 3600 (without that rubbish half multiplier), and it will overclock higher and more easily. Most F3s reach ~3ghz on stock voltage, and I haven't seen one that hasn't at the least broken the 3ghz barrier. They tend to max out around ~3.2-3.5, depending on your cooling. Be sure the 3800X2 you order is the one through that link, with the OPN of ADO3800CZBOX.
 
quadnad said:
F3 stepping A64s overclock far better and much more consistently compared to their 65nm Brisbane buddies. However, if you're just trying to go the cheapest route, then obviously it's difficult to do any better than the 3600+.

If you're looking to overclock, get an F3 3800X2 for $79 w/free shipping. You'll have a higher multiplier than the 3600 (without that rubbish half multiplier), and it will overclock higher and more easily. Most F3s reach ~3ghz on stock voltage, and I haven't seen one that hasn't at the least broken the 3ghz barrier. They tend to max out around ~3.2-3.5, depending on your cooling. Be sure the 3800X2 you order is the one through that link, with the OPN of ADO3800CZBOX.
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Building mine today thanks to quadnad for the heads up on the F3 stepping and how to get one. I'll post back with some OC results hopefully later this evening.
 
Docmhz said:
Building mine today thanks to quadnad for the heads up on the F3 stepping and how to get one. I'll post back with some OC results hopefully later this evening.
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I'll keep an eye out for your thread. What cooling will you be using by the way?

Get building! :D
 
I'm not really happy with my Brisbane 3600+ OC. I can't get mine to post anywhere over 2.4Ghz in the bios (Tforce550). In Windows, I can hit about 2.7-2.8Ghz with ClockGen, but not out of the bios. I used one of the Windsor 3600's (2x256k cache, 2.0Ghz), and that thing clocks very well. 2.8Ghz+ on stock voltage.

I haven't figured out how to change the multiplier in the Tforce bios (haven't really looked around). But I'm thinking that maybe dropping to a full x9 rather than the x9.5 will help my OC's.
 
Thanks for suggestions. Will pull a trigger later today, either from Newegg, or ZZF, plus Foxconn 690G board.
OM
 
I got a deal on the DFi DFI NFUltra II M2 si I just need to decide what Proc and I will probably get the gskill from Newegg for 85.00 ddr800 @ x 1GB.

I paid $47.00 in the box for the MB but I heard a rumor its not good for dual cores its an Ultra NF4 .
 
Dueyat35 said:
I got a deal on the DFi DFI NFUltra II M2 si I just need to decide what Proc and I will probably get the gskill from Newegg for 85.00 ddr800 @ x 1GB.

I paid $47.00 in the box for the MB but I heard a rumor its not good for dual cores its an Ultra NF4 .
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I never had any problems with my NF4 Ultra in s939 form. The only real difference is the DDR2 memory, and the memory controller is on the CPU, not the motherboard. I think you'll be fine.
 
Dueyat35 said:
I got a deal on the DFi DFI NFUltra II M2 si I just need to decide what Proc and I will probably get the gskill from Newegg for 85.00 ddr800 @ x 1GB.

I paid $47.00 in the box for the MB but I heard a rumor its not good for dual cores its an Ultra NF4 .
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I used to hang around dfi-street before it got changed around and all. And everyone who had one of those boards loved em and got great overclocking results with dual core chips.
 
quadnad said:
I'll keep an eye out for your thread. What cooling will you be using by the way?

Get building! :D
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I am using a Swiftech Apex GT waterblock with a DD Black Ice rad, with a single 120 fan. Not the best, but nice and quiet, should keep it nice and cool. I got the system built, and the water loop leak free, went to power up and nothing. :(

I fiddled around for about an hour before I realized that there is a power button on the mobo, and it fired right up when I pushed it. I don't know what is going on with my case's power button, maybe I pinched a wire or something, but I did not get a chance to OC last night. I did notice that the cpu runs about 23 C at idle at stock speeds, which is quite a bit cooler than my 165 did.

Anyways, if someone has a brilliant idea about my power button, I'd appreciate it!
 
Docmhz said:
I am using a Swiftech Apex GT waterblock with a DD Black Ice rad, with a single 120 fan. Not the best, but nice and quiet, should keep it nice and cool. I got the system built, and the water loop leak free, went to power up and nothing. :(

I fiddled around for about an hour before I realized that there is a power button on the mobo, and it fired right up when I pushed it. I don't know what is going on with my case's power button, maybe I pinched a wire or something, but I did not get a chance to OC last night. I did notice that the cpu runs about 23 C at idle at stock speeds, which is quite a bit cooler than my 165 did.

Anyways, if someone has a brilliant idea about my power button, I'd appreciate it!
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I would lean towards an issue with your power button, since there shouldn't be any issue relating to that power button on the motherboard. Perhaps plug in just your mobo and PSU to the case and see if anything happens when you push the button? As for your cooling, you should have a great time cranking that proc!
 
Go Brisbane !.

My x2 3600 is running at 2.9 right now on a TForce 550. It was one of the easiest overclock ever.

very nice /borat.
 
quadnad said:
I would lean towards an issue with your power button, since there shouldn't be any issue relating to that power button on the motherboard. Perhaps plug in just your mobo and PSU to the case and see if anything happens when you push the button? As for your cooling, you should have a great time cranking that proc!
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Unplug video card, HDD etc.? I could try that.
 
Docmhz said:
Unplug video card, HDD etc.? I could try that.
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Sorry, I was referring to your old motherboard which functioned before in the case. That would tell you whether it's your switch or not. Otherwise you could always try shorting the pins on the motherboard that are for your power switch.
 
I've got a DVOM at home, I'll break that out and see if the wires are good. :D Pain in the ass to pull the watercooling out and back. :mad:
 
i have the DFI UltraII M2. I tried different types of ram: Kingston, Samsung, Infineon, Patriot and none of those go past 275mhz 'fsb' on the board (i've tried 3 boards). So finally, i bougth the Corsair ValueSelects DDR667 and it's on FIRE and able to boot my sig system at 335FSB (haven't tried higher). i will always go with corsairs for nforce setups now.

I haven't tried some other brands, but they can work.
 
Deliximus said:
i have the DFI UltraII M2. I tried different types of ram: Kingston, Samsung, Infineon, Patriot and none of those go past 275mhz 'fsb' on the board (i've tried 3 boards). So finally, i bougth the Corsair ValueSelects DDR667 and it's on FIRE and able to boot my sig system at 335FSB (haven't tried higher). i will always go with corsairs for nforce setups now.

I haven't tried some other brands, but they can work.
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Would these be ok with the Motherboard?

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=85016-18


thanks

Duane MI
 
quadnad said:
even with the latest BIOS update? If I remember correctly that was the key to anything decent out of the Tforce..
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Hmm...I have the latest shipped released bios from the website, but I didn't want to try any of the modded ones. Maybe I'll gamble a little later this week.
 
ObviouaMan said:
I'm planning to get either 3600+ Brisbane, or 3800+ Windsor 65W from the egg or ZZF.
Brisbane is $67, F3 stepping is $78, F2 stepping is $76.
Which one should I get if I plan moderate OC using ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro with it? I mean how far each would go with that cooler and still be very stable?
OM
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Well, Freezer Pro should be here tomorrow, F3 3800+ and Foxconn A690G Tuesday (UPS does not come on Memorial Day). How far should I attempt to push it on this cooler with KVR 667?
OM
 
ObviouaMan said:
Well, Freezer Pro should be here tomorrow, F3 3800+ and Foxconn A690G Tuesday (UPS does not come on Memorial Day). How far should I attempt to push it on this cooler with KVR 667?
OM
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The Freezer Pro is a good cooler. I'd think you'd be good for up to 3Ghz with it if your CPU can handle it (and depending on the voltage needed).
 
quadnad said:
F3 stepping A64s overclock far better and much more consistently compared to their 65nm Brisbane buddies. However, if you're just trying to go the cheapest route, then obviously it's difficult to do any better than the 3600+.

If you're looking to overclock, get an F3 3800X2 for $79 w/free shipping. You'll have a higher multiplier than the 3600 (without that rubbish half multiplier), and it will overclock higher and more easily. Most F3s reach ~3ghz on stock voltage, and I haven't seen one that hasn't at the least broken the 3ghz barrier. They tend to max out around ~3.2-3.5, depending on your cooling. Be sure the 3800X2 you order is the one through that link, with the OPN of ADO3800CZBOX.
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Well I am ready to order from the Egg Bisane or the F3 stepping Windsor?
 
Dueyat35 said:
Well I am ready to order from the Egg Bisane or the F3 stepping Windsor?
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I'm still going to say go for the F3 3800 X2. Higher multiplier, better and more consistent overclocking....the only downside is that it's a little over $10 more than the 3600.
 
i had a x2 3800+, windsor, f3 and the highest I was able to get was 2400 but I'm just learning to oc and before the chip crapped out, Now I went for the x2 3600 brisbane too see what I can get out of it.
 
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