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No! Wolfdale delayed too

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Brahmzy

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Between nVidia and Intel, I'm dying inside....
My E8500 will wait yet another month to come home.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rocessors.html

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Initially Intel planned to roll-out its code-named Wolfdale and Yorkfield microprocessors that are projected to be marketed under Intel Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme brand-names on the 10th of January, 2008. But the plans have changed and, according to a news-story at HKEPC web-site, Intel will only be able to release dual-core Intel Core 2 Duo 8000-series (Wolfdale) processors in February, while Intel Core 2 Quad 9000-series (Yorkfield) will only see the light of the day in February or March.
 
In my case, I look at the positive in all of this: it gives me more time to save money.
 
Superhuman said:
In my case, I look at the positive in all of this: it gives me more time to save money.
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Amen to that, at this rate I'll be building a $5000 box by the time new stuff comes out. I refuse to buy right now as my current machine works alright and the annual new-product-cycle is starting to look like it might be a year and a half.
 
That really really sucks. I've been waiting a while to upgrade my CPU for a while now and now I have to wait another 1-2 months.

On a side note, AMD and ATI really need to step it up. The only reason Intel and nvidia have kept finished parts sitting in warehouses is because they don't have to ship those new parts to successfully compete. This is why lack of competition is bad. :/

Brahmzy said:
Between nVidia and Intel, I'm dying inside....
My E8500 will wait yet another month to come home.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...rocessors.html

Quote:
Initially Intel planned to roll-out its code-named Wolfdale and Yorkfield microprocessors that are projected to be marketed under Intel Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Extreme brand-names on the 10th of January, 2008. But the plans have changed and, according to a news-story at HKEPC web-site, Intel will only be able to release dual-core Intel Core 2 Duo 8000-series (Wolfdale) processors in February, while Intel Core 2 Quad 9000-series (Yorkfield) will only see the light of the day in February or March.
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Bah I had just picked up an OCZ gold 2x1Gb DDR2-800 set for $19.99 earlier this month and another set now for $13.99 on boxing day to use when the wolfdales are^H^H^Hwere to be released in January. :(
 
NKDietrich said:
I refuse to buy right now as my current machine works alright and the annual new-product-cycle is starting to look like it might be a year and a half.
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Amen to that. My system is probably pretty darn close to an E6600 at stock, so if something in my rig needs replacing, it'll be a GPU and not a CPU.

Of course if I win the lottery or something, all bets are off.
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
Amen to that. My system is probably pretty darn close to an E6600 at stock, so if something in my rig needs replacing, it'll be a GPU and not a CPU.

Of course if I win the lottery or something, all bets are off.
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Hahaha Spoken like a true slave to the computer machine.
I honestly do not mind, I can continue to wait its not going to kill me but then I am not doing anything on my system yet that is too stressing, I do however like to do upgrades about every year. I know some people need it but honestly you have waited this long 1 extra month is not going to kill them(I [H]ope)

I guess thats why I have alot of spare parts!!

As for the Lottery, yea SUPER SERVER here I come hahaha.
 
Brahmzy said:
Between nVidia and Intel, I'm dying inside....
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Both Companies are on Top looking down the hill with No current competition. They do not need to release anything faster right now because what they have is the fastest, with no threat for it to be overrun.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
Both Companies are on Top looking down the hill with No current competition. They do not need to release anything faster right now because what they have is the fastest, with no threat for it to be overrun.
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I tend to disagree, look at car manufacturers, they release newer models of the same car every year even with some brand new models sitting there not being purchased. yet they still roll them out.

I think that if all was well and dandy we would see those shiny new chips when they said. I just hope they get it figured out sooner rather than later
 
Lamont Cranston said:
I tend to disagree, look at car manufacturers, they release newer models of the same car every year even with some brand new models sitting there not being purchased. yet they still roll them out.

I think that if all was well and dandy we would see those shiny new chips when they said. I just hope they get it figured out sooner rather than later
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The car market is much more competitive/finicky than the computer market ever will be, so it's like comparing apples to oranges. In the computer industry, there's only about 2 or 3 big competitors in each sector that are fighting for the consumer market: nVidia/AMD for hardcore graphics, Intel/AMD for CPUs, Intel/nVidia/AMD for chipsets, Seagate/WD for hard drives, and so on, so forth. In the car industry, consumer perception and interest can change overnight, so car manufacturers are FORCED to release different, intriguing designs, even if it doesn't translate to sales.

So yes, the reason for stagnation is because Intel/nVidia are sitting on top looking down. No reason to rush to market when there is practically no competition.
 
ajm786 said:
The car market is much more competitive/finicky than the computer market ever will be, so it's like comparing apples to oranges. In the computer industry, there's only about 2 or 3 big competitors in each sector that are fighting for the consumer market: nVidia/AMD for hardcore graphics, Intel/AMD for CPUs, Intel/nVidia/AMD for chipsets, Seagate/WD for hard drives, and so on, so forth. In the car industry, consumer perception and interest can change overnight, so car manufacturers are FORCED to release different, intriguing designs, even if it doesn't translate to sales.

So yes, the reason for stagnation is because Intel/nVidia are sitting on top looking down. No reason to rush to market when there is practically no competition.
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Didn't any of you read the articles about Intel having issues with 45nm processors? All of you are so willing to take the easy and PR-approved BS but aren't willing to look beyond the issue?
 
Cyrilix said:
Didn't any of you read the articles about Intel having issues with 45nm processors? All of you are so willing to take the easy and PR-approved BS but aren't willing to look beyond the issue?
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Since I own a 45nm chip I call shens on that, honestly they really just don't have any need to push them out yet.
 
Cyrilix said:
Didn't any of you read the articles about Intel having issues with 45nm processors? All of you are so willing to take the easy and PR-approved BS but aren't willing to look beyond the issue?
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Sure i read about it, but i also read that there was going to be a 9800gtx released in december, that it was going to snow here yesterday (which it did NOT), and george clooney is the sexiest man alive (that is BS because i know I am:D)

But i dont always believe everything i read
 
Damn you Intel.I need to replace my pc since it's not working anymore, and was thinking about waiting for the new 45nm Processors.:(

I can't make it for 2 or 3 months without a PC.This delay seriously pisses me off.:mad:
 
aguire said:
Damn you Intel.I need to replace my pc since it's not working anymore, and was thinking about waiting for the new 45nm Processors.:(

I can't make it for 2 or 3 months without a PC.This delay seriously pisses me off.:mad:
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Celery temporarily?
 
aguire said:
Damn you Intel.I need to replace my pc since it's not working anymore, and was thinking about waiting for the new 45nm Processors.:(

I can't make it for 2 or 3 months without a PC.This delay seriously pisses me off.:mad:
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buy an Eee PC!! :)
 
just buy an E2140 and OC it. the chip onlky costs like 50 bucks.

that should hold you till the wolfdale delay is over.
 
Cyrilix said:
Didn't any of you read the articles about Intel having issues with 45nm processors? All of you are so willing to take the easy and PR-approved BS but aren't willing to look beyond the issue?
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I read those articles, and take those into consideration also. But, I was simply responding to his point of view, which still holds merit in this conversation. There is simply no competition coming from the main competitors, so there's really no incentive to push forward fast. I guarantee you that if AMD was on top of their game and Intel made an announcement to delay, they would get slaughtered by the press, as well as us. But since there's no competition, Intel announces the delays, and everyone says "Meh, they're on top anyway...".
 
ajm786 said:
I read those articles, and take those into consideration also. But, I was simply responding to his point of view, which still holds merit in this conversation. There is simply no competition coming from the main competitors, so there's really no incentive to push forward fast. I guarantee you that if AMD was on top of their game and Intel made an announcement to delay, they would get slaughtered by the press, as well as us. But since there's no competition, Intel announces the delays, and everyone says "Meh, they're on top anyway...".
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Yeah, I see what you mean.
 
ajm786 said:
I read those articles, and take those into consideration also. But, I was simply responding to his point of view, which still holds merit in this conversation. There is simply no competition coming from the main competitors, so there's really no incentive to push forward fast. I guarantee you that if AMD was on top of their game and Intel made an announcement to delay, they would get slaughtered by the press, as well as us. But since there's no competition, Intel announces the delays, and everyone says "Meh, they're on top anyway...".
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So...you are saying that AMD is to blame? :p:D;)
 
Cyrilix said:
Yeah, I see what you mean.
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Also, Intel has (believe it or not) inventory issues.

1. First off, they still have all those X38 and P35 chipsets to sell. None of them are (according to Intel itself) suitable for Wolfdale or Yorkfield, and Intel would much rather sell product than take a large write-down (in fact, when was the last time Intel took a large inventory write-down?).

2. Second, Intel has large inventories of Conroe processors (E6xx0) to sell-through. Intel can only reduce prices on this so far before someone would complain of *predatory pricing*. For the same reason, Intel can't exactly go the Kentsfield route with all that Conroe inventory, either; in fact, Intel has the Q6600 at pricing not seen since the salad days of *Northwood-C*, yet it's not exactly flying off the shelves, even at Newegg.

3. One word has been used to describe the Q-series (especially Q6600, the entry-level Intel quad-core): *overkill*. We're not talking a high-end (or even next-to-high-end) processor here; Q6600 is a sub-$300 mainstream CPU (remember, I mentioned pricing identical to that of the same-speed Northwood-C). Not only is Q6600 unfazed by the Phenom from AMD, it's even less fazed by the applications and games that most of us are running on a daily basis. Where is the gotta-get-a-quad-core game or application? So far, we haven't seen it. Not Crysis, not SupCom (or the Forged Alliance expansion), not even Vista Ultimate. Given the current state of the quad-core sales push, when you're having trouble justifying even Kentsfield (which is at mainstream pricing right now, but is, by most people, considered overkill), how do you justify Yorkfield (which is, when you get down to brass tacks, a larger-cache and faster Kentsfield)?

4. The crossover between E6750 and Q6600 hasn't helped matters any. Remember I mentioned that, for the most part, Q6600 was still considered processor overkill? For basically the same price (if not a little less), there is the larger-cache/faster-FSB/still-only-dual-core E6750. And what has been the major selling point for the E6750 over the Q6600? Of all things, it's overclockability (which is, at best, still a crapshoot the majority of the time, and pretty much useless outside of benchmarks most of the rest of the time). Lastly, how much of the improvement performancewise of the E6750 is due to the increased cache? Has anyone compared to E6750 to the E6700 in the same benchmarks? I would *think* that multitaskers would rather have access to more cores than just speed up the existing *number* of cores.
 
Just last week Intel itself denied there was any delay so I will assume this is all FUD until Intel makes a statement that contradicts its statements of last week

Dec 19, 2007 03:28 PM » E-Mail
"Intel Says Nuts To Reports Of 45-Nm Penryn Delays"

"The Digitimes story that's attracting attention today speculates that Intel sees no imminent competitive threat from AMD. The story draw from this the conclusion that Intel doesn't want to cannibalize its current top-of-the-line 65nm parts, and so it's delaying the launch of three desktop 45-nm Penryns from January until February or March.

This all sounds plausible enough so that it prompted me to go straight to Intel to get a yea or a nay out of them. Prefacing his comments with the caveat that Intel normally doesn't comment on such speculative stories, a spokesman at the chip giant e-mailed me back: "We’ve been public since November that we plan to introduce a host of new mobile and desktop processors based on our 45 nm and reinvented transistors in Q1, and there are no changes to that plan."


http://www.informationweek.com/blog...VCEZK0NC3KQSNDLRSKHSCJUNN2JVN?queryText=intel
 
abcdelight said:
Just last week Intel itself denied there was any delay so I will assume this is all FUD until Intel makes a statement that contradicts its statements of last week
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True dat. but keep in mind that Intle's only officially released statement says they will be released in Q1 2008. So if they slip from Jan to Feb, in their eyes, there is no delay ;)

Oh, I'm not happy abou tthe delay either :mad:
 
nice :D so E8500 folks will have to wait like us (Q9450 folks :D)
 
damn it.

I had everything picked out for the end of January. I might leap to quad core now! (Maybe price will drop by then too)
 
Atech said:
So...you are saying that AMD is to blame? :p:D;)
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ROFL.

In a way, yes. I'll be the first to admit guilt in saying that I've actually wanted Intel/nVidia to come out on top, because those are my 2 favorite companies. :p But still, competition is always good for us, no matter what.
 
ajm786 said:
ROFL.

In a way, yes. I'll be the first to admit guilt in saying that I've actually wanted Intel/nVidia to come out on top, because those are my 2 favorite companies. :p But still, competition is always good for us, no matter what.
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Yup, but AMD made a fumble...what to do? :eek:
 
PGHammer said:
1. First off, they still have all those X38 and P35 chipsets to sell. None of them are (according to Intel itself) suitable for Wolfdale or Yorkfield
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X38's are perfect for Wolfdale and Yorkfield, P35's are not. FYI

Careful with your spreading misinformation.
 
Brahmzy said:
X38's are perfect for Wolfdale and Yorkfield, P35's are not. FYI

Careful with your spreading misinformation.
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I thought the Asus P5K Deluxe (P35) was compatible with the Wolfdales? That's what I'm getting from looking around on the web.
 
If Intel can make 45nm chips, and it appears they can, why would they not go ahead and sell them? It doesn't make sense for them to stockpile them in a warehouse somewhere, and it does make sense to get production switched over to 45nm as quickly as possible because it increases the number of cores per wafer and so reduces cost. The 65nm parts that are already made and in the channel are, as far as Intel is concerned, a sunk cost - holding off on a cheaper-to-produce alternative to promote sales of those chips makes no sense. The only reason to delay 45nm is if there is a problem, which there apparently is, but no one seems to be exactly sure how big a problem or if it will really delay release.
 
Intel pushed back the release because they would essentially be competing with themselves. Just my opinion, but it would make sense to wait untill AMD is a bit more competitive.
 
BucBrew said:
Intel pushed back the release because they would essentially be competing with themselves. Just my opinion, but it would make sense to wait untill AMD is a bit more competitive.
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Intel won't let their 45nm production lines sit idle because that is throwing $ out the window. However, they may limit production to meet demand at a later date.
 
yeah but if they let their 65nm parts sit, they lose money because they spent that money on those parts. if they don't sell to make profit, then they lost money, so i would assume theyre trying toi clear out inventory.
 
We told you AMD falling apart would be a disaster... but no, no I GOTTZA GET MY KOAR DUOZ

Told you so :eek:
 
Brahmzy said:
X38's are perfect for Wolfdale and Yorkfield, P35's are not. FYI

Careful with your spreading misinformation.
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Where the hell did you come up with this crap? You are the one spreading misinformation. Just precisely what lead you to believe this nonsense?

The only thing X38 has over P35 are additional PCIe lanes and PCIe 2.0 support. The X38 overclocks about the same as P35 does and they give almost the exact same performance in every way. X38 is more suitable for Crossfire than P35 is as a result of the increased amount of PCIe lanes. X38 boards also tend to have more features than P35 boards due again to the increase in PCIe lanes over the P35 chipset and the market for which the chipset is being advertised to. In no other ways than the two I mentioned is X38 superior to P35.
 
osalcido said:
We told you AMD falling apart would be a disaster... but no, no I GOTTZA GET MY KOAR DUOZ

Told you so :eek:
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AMD falling apart would be bad. Though they've survived worse situations than the one they are in now. As for the Core 2 Duo, Intel deserves to sell the shit out of them because they are the superior product at the moment.
 
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