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SemiAccurate gets some GTX480 scores

Looks like the high end 480 will be around 5% faster than a 5870 at very high resolutions.

Now, at what cost in wattage and heat to gain the extra 5%!
 
MrC4 said:
Looks like the high end 480 will be around 5% faster than a 5870 at very high resolutions.
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5%??...that's all?...what are the Nvidites going to say now about the 5870?

damn that article tears the Fermi card to pieces...can it really be that bad?
 
reporting fans running at 70% on idle doesn't sound right. I think he's kidding himself.
 
This is probably not representative of the final product I would imagine. Not saying charlie is lying or deliberately misinterpreting things, just that it will probably turn out slightly different that is reported. I am sure drivers will crank out a few more frames and the predictions of somewhere in the middle of 5870 and 5970 will be more or less true.

If not nvidia are royally screwed, even worse than expected.
 
"but the tessellation performance in Heaven. On that synthetic benchmark, the numbers were more than twice as fast as the HD5870/Cypress"

looks like someone missed that part, its all that really matters.

have fun playing heavy tessellation effects games on 5870 at 640x480 resolution if that's true.
 
DualOwn said:
"but the tessellation performance in Heaven. On that synthetic benchmark, the numbers were more than twice as fast as the HD5870/Cypress"

looks like someone missed that part, its all that really matters.

have fun playing heavy tessellation effects games on 5870 at 640x480 resolution if that's true.
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"There was one problem that the sources pointed to, on Heaven, the benchmark had many visible and quite noticeable glitches. If you were wondering why Nvidia only showed very specific clips of it at CES, that is why, DX11 isn't quite all there yet for the GTX480. This is probably why we have been hearing rumors of the card not having DX11 drivers on launch, but we can't see Nvidia launching the chip without them."

sup
 
after all these delays and leaked specs I'd be shocked if Fermi is this bad...even if it means delaying the card for a few more months, there is no way Nvidia should release the card in this condition...another delay will be nothing compared to the backlash if Charlie's report is true
 
70C @ idle w/fan at 70%...5% faster....sweet indeed. At least it will play Heaven twice as fast...oh wait, Thats not a game....That is a smokin' card!
 
The worst thing is, is nvidia know charlie is being reported on every tech forum there is and their market is reading it. However, I do not think they are in any position to reveal anything remotely concrete to shut him up.

The only way they can reassure people is with independant tests and I don't think they can do it. True some will say this has no credibility but how what will the balance be.
 
necrophile said:
This is probably not representative of the final product I would imagine. Not saying charlie is lying or deliberately misinterpreting things, just that it will probably turn out slightly different that is reported. I am sure drivers will crank out a few more frames and the predictions of somewhere in the middle of 5870 and 5970 will be more or less true.

If not nvidia are royally screwed, even worse than expected.
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Why wouldn't it be representative of the final card, A3 handpicked silicon is A3 handpicked silicon. If anything the retail product would be worse than these cards.

Slightly different (better) than is reported does not = 'somewhere in the middle of 5870 and 5890'.
 
If the card is as good as the 5870 and its priced the same,or even close, they will sell.
The problem as I see it is the card is late and a lot of people who were waiting for it , stopped waiting and bought an ATI card..myself included.
Only time will tell...
 
necrophile said:
The worst thing is, is nvidia know charlie is being reported on every tech forum there is and their market is reading it. However, I do not think they are in any position to reveal anything remotely concrete to shut him up.

The only way they can reassure people is with independant tests and I don't think they can do it. True some will say this has no credibility but how what will the balance be.
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^
I don't get why people bet their virtual poms poms on a corporation. I buy based on how kick ass a product is. That meant I bought amd during the netburst era (Although I did end up with a pentium d when I got a core 2 duo), a core 2 at launch, an 8800 instead of a 2900 series, and why I bought several 5000 series ati cards. Why be a fanboy? Seems counter productive.

I would NEVER want to be a corporate fanboy. If they do well, you get good stuff, but if they do badly, you bought a netburst.
 
polonyc2 said:
do you really believe this?...do you think people will buy it for the 'advanced PhysX' capabilities? :rolleyes:
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People bought 2900XTs and FX5800s so... yeah, they could basically put out a turd on a stick and people would shell out $500 for it.
 
Crosshairs said:
If the card is as good as the 5870 and its priced the same,or even close, they will sell.
The problem as I see it is the card is late and a lot of people who were waiting for it , stopped waiting and bought an ATI card..myself included.
Only time will tell...
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If the card is only as good as the 5870 and is priced the same (d-o-u-b-t-f-u-l), it is selling at a significant loss, and since ATI has massive room to cut prices, Nvidia isn't going to order any more wafers from TSMC until a full base layer respin brings the price of usable chips within howitzer distance of reasonable.

Anyways, most of the chips from the initial run will be reserved for Quatro and Tesla, where they can earn a profit, if barely, while the thousand or so lowest bin useable chips are sold to gulllible hardcore Fanbouys at the hightest price Nvidia thinks these suckers will gulp down.

No reason for Nvidia to even try to be cost competitive with ATI with their GeForce cards with present availability numbers until a another respin cycle has been completed.

Assuming any at all become available at retail ~ subject to Kyle Bennett level scrutiny.
 
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SixtyWattMan said:
People bought 2900XTs and FX5800s so... yeah, they could basically put out a turd on a stick and people would shell out $500 for it.
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of course people will buy it...but unless Nvidia undercuts the price of the 5870 most informed consumers will go for ATI
 
fermi is not completely useless --- at least it is becoming a laughing stock :D
 
mafa said:
fermi is not completely useless --- at least it is becoming a laughing stock :D
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Every thread in the video card section the past few months have been or became jokes about nvidia and Fermi. Wood screws... end of story.
 
DualOwn said:
"but the tessellation performance in Heaven. On that synthetic benchmark, the numbers were more than twice as fast as the HD5870/Cypress"

looks like someone missed that part, its all that really matters.

have fun playing heavy tessellation effects games on 5870 at 640x480 resolution if that's true.
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How convenient that you stopped reading there and did not bother with the very next sentence...

The sources said that this lead was most definitely not reflected in any game or test they ran, it was only in tessellation limited situations where the shaders don't need to be used for 'real work'.
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SixtyWattMan said:
People bought 2900XTs and FX5800s so... yeah, they could basically put out a turd on a stick and people would shell out $500 for it.
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Agreed. People buy crap and pay a premium so-long as they trust the name. Seriously, we have had people over the last few months coming into the General Hardware forum looking for a new build, and insisting on an Nvidia video card plus SLI support in the motherboard. All the while we point-out that a GTX285 is the same price as a 5870 - they don't care.

Nvidia can afford one screw-up - they have too much goodwill from their excellent G80 chip. We'll have to wait and see if they screw the pooch a second time - only then will the less-informed start to get the picture, and jump-ship.
 
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