If AMD moves to samsung for next PlayStation/xbox consoles that could free up TSMC space but Sony/MS have to be willing to take the performance hit (like Ampere)rumors are pointing to them using Samsung
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If AMD moves to samsung for next PlayStation/xbox consoles that could free up TSMC space but Sony/MS have to be willing to take the performance hit (like Ampere)rumors are pointing to them using Samsung
I went from gtx 970 sli to an RTX 3080 in Dec 2020 at sub msrp (thanks evga coupon!). Nice jump. Just upgraded my projector to a 4k unit, so I'll probably wait until the 5xxx series or even a deal on one before jumping again . We'll see how the 3080 holds up at 4k. I can stomach a few settings at high instead of ultra just fine for now... It's been fine so far.That's still a good card.
I never mined on my 3080. I should have... .When the economy starts on its next bull cycle (aka Feds win the "inflation fight") and easy money comes back...
#btc
3080 (mine are all EVGA 10gb) is a seriously decent lad.I never mined on my 3080. I should have... .
Yeah, I probably could have made a few grand in coin with gaming part time... I just didn't ever set it up, kept procrastinating . Still, I love my card... It's the hybrid ftw3 10gb .Any yes, while Eth was a thing, the 3080 was very decent on the hash/watt metric.
In the future, the children will ask. We will tell them, EVGA. and, they had not only the best quality - but, the best prices. Ever. That b stock. /saluteYeah, I probably could have made a few grand in coin with gaming part time... I just didn't ever set it up, kept procrastinating . Still, I love my card... It's the hybrid ftw3 10gb .
That would be expensive, AMD currently keeps the costs down by using what is essentially their PC components with very minor modifications.If AMD moves to samsung for next PlayStation/xbox consoles that could free up TSMC space but Sony/MS have to be willing to take the performance hit (like Ampere)
I don't know the price-to-performance ratio of the old BFG cards was pretty good. I think they would have given EVGA a run for their money.In the future, the children will ask. We will tell them, EVGA. and, they had not only the best quality - but, the best prices. Ever. That b stock. /salute
I do think without EVGA in the mix (the Lord bless their company, and their peoples) - GPU pricing is going to take a hit upward, as time passes.
They were the canary in the mine with respect to Nvidia's pricing schemes.
Yup, does the job for older games at 3440x1440 but its definitely showing its age.That's still a good card.
If AMD moves to samsung for next PlayStation/xbox consoles that could free up TSMC space but Sony/MS have to be willing to take the performance hit (like Ampere)
Samsung 4 was closer to TSMC 5 in terms of power/performance, and scaling, and the yields were atrocious, Qualcomm had to pack up and pay for a spot on the TSMC 4nm lineup and delay a couple of key product launches because of it, they were not at all pleased.Really depends on if Samsung has their process sorted out, if they do then it should not be a issue. Bigger question would be if stacked cache and such could be used or not and other advanced tooling that they use at TSMC, Samsung would need something similar. I am sure AMD is seriously considering it since Samsung is likely giving them a sweet deal as they need customers.
and more importantly Nvidia (at least) will not reduce their profit margins.Going by trends/leaks/rumours so far, it seems neither will TSMC reduce their prices nor will AMD/Nvidia (& maybe Intel) switch to cheaper nodes.
Going by trends/leaks/rumours so far, it seems neither will TSMC reduce their prices nor will AMD/Nvidia (& maybe Intel) switch to cheaper nodes.
So your best bet is to watch prices of 6800/6800xt & buy it at close to $400/$450 respectively (if they hit that price)
the equivalent budget card on nvidia would be the 3060 12gb. Apparently nvidia has lots of inventory left
if you are looking for used cards then something like 6700xt/6750xt or 2060 12gb should do it.
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-rx-68xlaqfd9/p/27N-0002-00117?Item=27N-0002-00117
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Going by trends/leaks/rumours so far, it seems neither will TSMC reduce their prices nor will AMD/Nvidia (& maybe Intel) switch to cheaper nodes.
So your best bet is to watch prices of 6800/6800xt & buy it at close to $400/$450 respectively (if they hit that price)
the equivalent budget card on nvidia would be the 3060 12gb. Apparently nvidia has lots of inventory left
if you are looking for used cards then something like 6700xt/6750xt or 2060 12gb should do it.
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-rx-68xlaqfd9/p/27N-0002-00117?Item=27N-0002-00117
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Why should they?and more importantly Nvidia (at least) will not reduce their profit margins.
The idea that Nvidia or AMD could use a cheaper node and make a product that is cheaper is a flawed one. The nodes in demand at TSMC are priced accordingly and the cost per transistor balances out pretty equally across them. We would be looking at massive regressions in performance if AMD or Nvidia rolled back like that.Going by trends/leaks/rumours so far, it seems neither will TSMC reduce their prices nor will AMD/Nvidia (& maybe Intel) switch to cheaper nodes.
So your best bet is to watch prices of 6800/6800xt & buy it at close to $400/$450 respectively (if they hit that price)
the equivalent budget card on nvidia would be the 3060 12gb. Apparently nvidia has lots of inventory left
if you are looking for used cards then something like 6700xt/6750xt or 2060 12gb should do it.
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-rx-68xlaqfd9/p/27N-0002-00117?Item=27N-0002-00117
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Well I mistyped, I meant to say profit per board/card sold, not as a whole to the company. And the reason is pretty simple, lower prices could end up making more profit in the long run with more purchases, I'm not privy to their financials and it certainly gets quite complicated where that point of diminishing returns is but it does exist. Plus if the rumors are true and they make the lions share of all of their revenue from AI related sales, then throwing a bone to gamers could potentially buy further favor of brand loyalty for future GPU purchases, I know I'm at the point where I'm going to go for Team VALUE, whomever that is... unfortunately AMD is too much of a unoriginal pussy to take advantage of what Nvidia is doing and instead is just playing copycat.Why should they?
They already did, the RTX 4000 series cards has their lowest margins since 2017.and more importantly Nvidia (at least) will not reduce their profit margins.
Can I unlike this???Some good rants by Matthew Connatser on lack of (true) budget GPUs:
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang declared that it was no longer possible to offer lower prices each generation, hence the dramatic price increase that came with RTX 40. Whether Moore's Law is dead or not is hotly debated (Intel insists it's alive and well), but ultimately, Nvidia's attempted transition into selling more expensive GPUs didn't go very well this time, not for the company or for its fans.
https://www.xda-developers.com/2022-bad-year-desktop-pc/
What concerns me the most is that Nvidia and AMD aren't backing down from their maximalist positions. When demand goes down, they lower production instead of prices, and you can tell demand is way down since the RTX 40 and RX 7000 haven't been in short supply since launch. Voting with your wallet might not even be effective, because gaming GPUs are small fry to Nvidia and AMD, and they would rather be committing more manufacturing capacity to server chips with fat margins, hence the lack of serious competition.
The graphics card is almost, without exception, the most crucial component in a gaming PC, and if people can't afford it, they're going to explore alternatives. Valve and Asus are opening the way with handheld gaming PCs, gaming laptops are still an alright choice, and cloud PC gaming is still making inroads despite the failure of Stadia. PC gaming will be fine, it's just the desktop that's not well.
https://www.xda-developers.com/desktop-pc-gaming-too-expensive-latest-gpu/
With AMD confirming its retreat from the low-end and Nvidia likely never coming back, it's up to Intel to keep budget graphics cards alive. The company already offers a $100 GPU in the form of the Arc A380, but its upcoming Battlemage series will need to offer something below the $200 mark at minimum to keep the cost of entry low enough. If Intel follows Nvidia and AMD's lead, it's probably over for everybody on a budget.
I've seen lots of people say that the death of low-end GPUs isn't a big deal, but $100 GPUs are possible to make. They used to be normal years ago, and they helped make PC gaming cheaper and more accessible for everybody. I would hate to see PC gaming become exclusive for the financially comfortable, and I am rooting hard for Intel to stop that from happening.
https://www.xda-developers.com/all-eyes-on-intel-budget-gpu/
Budget PC gamers are not going to accept APUs as a real alternative to low-end cards. They're going to eventually quit PC gaming and just switch to consoles, which offer much more affordable hardware and compelling performance. Think it won't affect you if these gamers leave the community? The latest hardware survey from Steam says about 10% of users have the GTX 1050, 1050 Ti, and 1650. That's just three low-end GPUs, and they make up 10% of the largest PC gaming community today. PC gaming can't afford to lose that many people.
https://www.xda-developers.com/why-apus-cant-truly-replace-low-end-gpus/
Was it not more compensation/buyback for excess Ampere inventory that impacted margin ? Last report margin are I think the best ever at 70% and more of an software company than an hardware, has gaming get smaller and smaller part of that pie it is harder to tell gaming GPU margin, I cannot find that comment about 4000 series low margin.They already did, the RTX 4000 series cards has their lowest margins since 2017.
During their last financial report Jensen was raked by investors for it and said it’s because if they kept their normal margins they would have nobody to sell their cards too and ended it there.
It was in one of their investor calls, I’ll pull up transcripts later. But basically AIB’s are taking a much bigger cut this round, and Nvidia has a slush fund from the 4000’s ready to go so if they need to do price cuts it’s coming from there and not other accounts. So technically those are in holding pending a price drop should one be needed. And now that AMD is finally stepping up it will be so they will be issuing AIB reimbursements from there.Right or wrong is not the good word for prediction, but that part:
Budget PC gamers are not going to accept APUs as a real alternative to low-end cards.
I am not sure it fit the quitting the desktop for laptop-handheld-console where APU even SoC will be quite the norm, obviously possible in a what the point of a desktop with an APU versus something really close to it, with little downside but lot of upside of not being a desktop.
But it really depends on how good those APU get, AMD notion they will replace the cheapest GPU option is not crazy at all, with how small/low power Zen4c cores get that could open the door for a good sized-powered GPU on one.
Was it not more compensation/buyback for excess Ampere inventory that impacted margin ? Last report margin are I think the best ever at 70% and more of an software company than an hardware, has gaming get smaller and smaller part of that pie it is harder to tell gaming GPU margin, I cannot find that comment about 4000 series low margin.
https://s201.q4cdn.com/141608511/files/doc_financials/2024/Q2FY24/Q2FY24-CFO-Commentary.pdf
https://s201.q4cdn.com/141608511/files/doc_financials/2024/Q2FY24/Rev_by_Mkt_Qtrly_Trend_Q224.pdf
https://s201.q4cdn.com/141608511/fi...4/q2/19771e6b-cc29-4027-899e-51a0c386111e.pdf
https://s201.q4cdn.com/141608511/fi.../nvda-f2q24-investor-presentation-final-1.pdf
https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-...nvidia-nvda-q2-2024-earnings-call-transcript/
Maybe you mean on the previous financial report before their record shattering last one ? Cannot find it there either.
even Red Dead 2/Horizon zero dawn/last of Us 2/last God of war on a PS4 versus 2013-2014 PS4 title would probably be quite different.I would like to see what (older) consoles have historically done where day 1 titles dont look like they are even on the same system as titles years later as they figure out how to squeeze more out of the existing hardware. E.g. final fantasy 7 looks like absolute ass compared to FF8, compared to FF9, all on the same system, all the same developer but vastly different and improved looks
At least APUs would be very console-like, nearly identical really.The dream of APU's taking over the low end has been just that, a dream despite all the great talk about it for the last 7-8 years. The only upside really has been how good the basic igpu's have been for laptops in that basic entry to mid level machines that don't have a dedicated gpu last a lot longer than they used to, coupled with cpu's themselves doing the same. I have a 2015 haswell i5 laptop with a HD 4600 that can still handle the web and streaming even if its a bit slow loading some websites and video.
Some good rants by Matthew Connatser on lack of (true) budget GPUs:
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang declared that it was no longer possible to offer lower prices each generation, hence the dramatic price increase that came with RTX 40. Whether Moore's Law is dead or not is hotly debated (Intel insists it's alive and well), but ultimately, Nvidia's attempted transition into selling more expensive GPUs didn't go very well this time, not for the company or for its fans.
Give them a year and maybe some board meetings where the independent directors ask some hard questions.What concerns me the most is that Nvidia and AMD aren't backing down from their maximalist positions.
Only possible in a duopoly. Let's hope Intel upsets their apple cart.When demand goes down, they lower production instead of prices,
May be related to the lack of capacity at TSMC.and you can tell demand is way down since the RTX 40 and RX 7000 haven't been in short supply since launch. Voting with your wallet might not even be effective, because gaming GPUs are small fry to Nvidia and AMD, and they would rather be committing more manufacturing capacity to server chips with fat margins, hence the lack of serious competition.
Like he gives a shit, he needs another Tesla & leather jacket.Greedy, greedy, greedy. He's turning his back on the community that made NVidia what it is today.
uhh. waah??Some good rants by Matthew Connatser on lack of (true) budget GPUs:
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang declared that it was no longer possible to offer lower prices each generation, hence the dramatic price increase that came with RTX 40....
Low prices are covered by old, highly discounted stock and refurbished chips.uhh. waah??
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Low price market appears to be covered to me. Where is it written that each new generation of cards MUST come in every price point?
Lowering the price on previous gen GPU's and slotting those in at the bottom is very smart business decision. Both have been doing it for years. GTX680 turns into GTX750, people whine "It's just a previous gen gpu!!". So now, they are keeping the older names, people whine about that.
You guys are getting suckered by click-bait articles.
Of course no one likes these higher prices. Bu you can't blame all of that on 1 company. Higher prices are everywhere for everything. Covid Lockdown, Ukraine invasion, that's where you should be directing your ire.
Plus the leading edge semiconductors are currently only made by TSMC. Serious bottleneck and lack of competition means they can charge what they want. Supply and Demand.
Nope. Intel is and will be the best for budget buyers needing 16gb: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...mes-with-free-code-for-assassins-creed-mirageOnce the 4070 super is released that should decrease the price of 4070.
Meanwhile if you care only about 1080p max/ultra gaming the 6800 for $380-$400 is likely to be the cheapest 16gb card that you can get in next few years
If Intel offers budget 16gb battlemage cards ($350 or less) that will be cool !!Nope. Intel is and will be the best for budget buyers needing 16gb: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...mes-with-free-code-for-assassins-creed-mirage
Arc has really matured and I look forward to seeing what battlemage brings! They're offering 16gb on arc a770 with a free copy of ac mirage.
Yay. Congratulations intel! You’re relevant in the video card market! I don’t mean that sarcastically. Having a good third option should keep everything in line.Nope. Intel is and will be the best for budget buyers needing 16gb: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-a...mes-with-free-code-for-assassins-creed-mirage
Arc has really matured and I look forward to seeing what battlemage brings! They're offering 16gb on arc a770 with a free copy of ac mirage.
More competition in the budget 16gb card segment.Yay. Congratulations intel! You’re relevant in the video card market! I don’t mean that sarcastically. Having a good third option should keep everything in line.
MLID says that the 7600 XT is based on same Navi 33 chip as the 7600. Expect 2%-3% improvement in performance
View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fzPqNOK355c&t=79s
Yay. Congratulations intel! You’re relevant in the video card market! I don’t mean that sarcastically. Having a good third option should keep everything in line.