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lab501 is one of the most objective and professional sites you can find. They've got a long standing history of high quality reviews and benchmark outputs.

This game looks pathetic, like it was built of voxel technology.

No surprises here, almost all new hardware is junk from a performance/price ratio.

Galaxy makes great video cards, the custom designs are top performers, and the white PCB products are breathtaking!

Got any details on this? from what I've read people have a hard time mounting in on top, I'm not sure how to mount it on the back side since there are no supports for the full length of the radiator.

Do you know if it is possible to replace/remove the fan?

Freaky looking cooler..checked some reviews and it's better than NH D-14? http://www.guru3d.com/article/zalman-cnps-9900-max-review/7 Edit: in another review it seems it is way under http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/zalman_cnps_9900_max_video_review/1

So I am looking for the best cooler for my 2600k but all 4 ram slots are filled with 4GB modules of Corsair Vengeance (tall heat spreaders). Is there a high performance option that won't interfere with my ram? From the research I've done both NH D14 and Silver Arrow are out of the question from...

You don't have to spell anything, since obviously your math is treated at empirical levels and your reference systems are flawed. Your post does nothing but sustain my arguments, the chip is a flop making it even less desirable for mobile solutions that can overheat easily. And as I stated...

Good job at explaining the obvious, you are only trying to justify the final result, which, at the end of the day is...SURPRISE...it puts out more heat.

You will change your platform long before PCI 2.0 is saturated. You have no clue of simple physics and you are contradicting yourself in your post, on one side you're saying it does not run hotter, and on the other that it does. Even at regular overclocking levels(4.2-4.4 ghz), IB falls...

Are we talking about mobile solutions? I think not, so the power consumption difference is insignificant (23W?), which is probably canceled by the fact you need a more powerful cooler since it runs hotter. PCIE3 support is useless, wake up, 0 difference vs. PCIE2.

The 670 from Gigabyte beats the stock 680(mine goes up to 1175 mhz out of the box).

Troll much? what kind of stupid technical recommendation is this, please go.

I think we can all agree the Ivy Bridge chips are a total flop compared to the previous generation. Was wondering if Intel will continue to release any future cpus for this platform.

OCed 670>680>7970>7950

Oh, now I understand, wonder if what I got is a good rating w/o any overclock. Max temp was 70C btw.

Thing is, I had a 680 Phantom which I returned and its speeds were: 1084 core 1150 boost (but it had a +25 mhz added) so a total of 1175. Thing is in full load it never passed 1175, while the 670 boots over the supposed boost of 1059 to the same 1175.

My 670 Gigabyte has the following speeds: 980 core/boost 1058 but during unigine 100% load it goes to 1175, not sure why...

What's baffling is that you care for a mediocre game with very poor optimization. We should benchmark on Delta Force 1 I think.

2 GB Phantom @ 1175 GPU (stock speed) and 6300 MEM (stock speed) max temp 74C with the fan at 50%.

Up to 2560x1600, 2GB is enough. My focus would be on a custom fast 2GB 680 GTX with extra phases/better cooling/improved design (not just overclocked stock ones). If you can wait out for the Lightning/HOF (I would take my mind off the Zotac since its presence is uncertain), it's ok, if not just...

Be carefull as the 4GB Palit/Jetstream models come at stock speeds unlike the default oc of the 2 GB versions

I installed it last night in my system, but haven't had the chance to fiddle with it and crunch some numbers. Clock is set at 1058 and boosts up to 1175 by default and memory is at 3150 (6300) stock, all these under 60C.

Good GPU overclock Fastest memory overclock out of those listed (same as Jetstream) Best looking Quietest+coolest temp wise Only cards in mind that maybe worth above Phantom are the Hall Of Fame, Lightning and FTW.

Funny how the 7970's raw power gets ahead at 5760x1080. I'm affraid the 7970 would have taken full #1.

Some follow "the guide" some don't.

Europe: Romania. Most European countries just take as reference the prices from the USA and simply convert to Euros. For example you get a 500$ 680 GTX video card and we will get the same one for ~650$. Right now, the cheapest 680GTX is the EVGA reference for ~630$

~700$ but that's preety much the norm where I live for the high-end cards (the 7970 is the same price)

1920x1080 for now and in the near future, 2560x1600 (that's another discussion regarding display model)

Preordered a 680 Phantom estimated to arrive in ~10 days.

Right now I think the winning solution is to get a non-reference 680 GTX under the price of the 7970 Lightning.

You are right, I was just looking at the headroom which inadvertently becomes limited even with redesigned layouts/pcbs. This allows the gap between reference and modified to lessen even more.

While I tend to agree with 2. I still have a question mark for point 1. Doing a lot of research on the 7970 Lightning lately, it seems that all the effort behind it (resulting in a heftier price), was pretty much in vain. The card could barely overclock (in the HReview +25 mem and +90 gpu) while...

Do custom designed video cards really bring a tangible benefit over the stock/reference ones? It seems like most custom made/modified 7970 cards have speeds that could be reached easily by the reference ones. Might it be a shortcoming for the 28 nm architecture, and will this this perpetuate to...

This is the first time I hear this, did you have any negative experiences with them ?

This is a very valid point, it seems that most of the custom 28nm cards have performances that can be easily reached with a reference card.

Taking an overall look at your arguments it seems they favor the 680. Right now, I just hope that in the next few days/weeks we will get to see some custom models in the market. This would be the better of the scenarios, but the waiting game is frankly awfully.

In the last few hours I've been skimming through the reviews and it looks like you're spot on. Coming from a 580 Lightning I was hoping the 7970 from MSI would live up to its name.

I wonder if the Palit Jetstream is anywhere near in sight, the reviews put it in a very good light so far.