Chris_Morley
Former [H] Consumer Managing Ed.
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Like we state in our title: Velocity Micro is back with a vengeance and they kick some ass in this evaluation.
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Thanks for your feedback. We are constantly incorporating more companies into our program - we have 3 new companies' products in our offices right now.Ominous Gamer said:
Yup, working on the best way to do that right now. In the VM article we stated that the parts have since been upgraded and what they were exactly. We will probably have the closest approximation to current pricing in an asterix or something.djshelto said:i love the system reviews, i click through a couple times a day hoping to see new ones.
one thing i've noticed as an overall trend, people always complain about the price of the system, and you inevitably have to post along the lines of "well, that was 2-3 months ago, it costs xxxx now with these upgrades"...could you include a statement to that effect in the review under (or in) the "what we ordered" section?
other than that, solid review as always, i love the battery of tests you throw at these systems. keep up the good work!
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DaLurker said:Just read your Velocity Micro and OverdrivePC Reviews and I noticed an inconsistancy in the categories of Purchasing, Presentation and Packaging and Multimedia and Productivity.
In your Velocity Micro Review, Brian gave a 9/10 for Purchasing, Presentation and Packaging whereas Abe gave OverdrivePC a 10/10 for the same category. After re-reading the comments from Brian I can not determine why they only received a 9/10 when there was no criticism. It seems Briand should also have givent a 10/10.
Similarily, Brian gave Velocity Micro a 9/10 for Multimedia and Productivity whilst Abe gave OverdrivePC a 10/10. In Brian's comment he states the software did not support 5.1 surround sound which seems to be the only complaint. Abe similarily comments on the lack of 5.1 surround sound support however Abe still awards OverdrivePC a 10/10. Surely if both systems lacked 5.1 Surround Sound support in DVD playback and that was the only problem then both systems should score the same.
Just want to hear what [H]ard|OCP's opinion is on this.
DaLurker said:Just read your Velocity Micro and OverdrivePC Reviews and I noticed an inconsistancy in the categories of Purchasing, Presentation and Packaging and Multimedia and Productivity.
In your Velocity Micro Review, Brian gave a 9/10 for Purchasing, Presentation and Packaging whereas Abe gave OverdrivePC a 10/10 for the same category. After re-reading the comments from Brian I can not determine why they only received a 9/10 when there was no criticism. It seems Briand should also have givent a 10/10.
Similarily, Brian gave Velocity Micro a 9/10 for Multimedia and Productivity whilst Abe gave OverdrivePC a 10/10. In Brian's comment he states the software did not support 5.1 surround sound which seems to be the only complaint. Abe similarily comments on the lack of 5.1 surround sound support however Abe still awards OverdrivePC a 10/10. Surely if both systems lacked 5.1 Surround Sound support in DVD playback and that was the only problem then both systems should score the same.
Just want to hear what [H]ard|OCP's opinion is on this.
We're expanding our reader base an will be rolling out a new site design that caters to not just enthusiasts but your everyday consumer. Look for it this month.Sparrow_69 said:What's with the recent rash of pre-built system reviews? I suspect most ppl. visiting [H] prefer to build their own and aren't really interested in full systems..
Thanks, and while that is true about human nature, we're very aware that we're 4 different people and we make all necessary efforts to retain a consistent scoring methodology. That includes documented guidelines, making sure to read each other's work, discussing scores amongst ourselves, and when it comes down to it, I'm the common thread as the Managing Editor, and my name is always on every article.Spectre said:I am not speaking for [H] but it would seem to me that the inconsistance would be the fact that the reviewers are human and each person sees things slightly differently. If 3 people see and accident you get 4 different versions of the events.
Don't worry about that, Kyle has actually expanded enthusiast content (as you can see by the addition of new motherboard editors), and my team is solely focused on consumer gear - so the net effect is that we're growing AND increasing content across the board.Sparrow_69 said:Yeah that's true, I'd had forgotten about that.. I'm not sure if that's a good thing for enthusiasts like me though... [H] ressources will now have to be producing content for different segments, and I fear the enthusiast portion will suffer..
Spectre said:I am not speaking for [H] but it would seem to me that the inconsistance would be the fact that the reviewers are human and each person sees things slightly differently. If 3 people see and accident you get 4 different versions of the events.
Chris_Morley said:I have discussed your concerns with Brian and here's your answer:
When you're talking about the difference between a 9 and a 10, you're talking about the difference between "excellent" and "outstanding."
There were little "bonuses" that we didn't expect from Overdrive PC that pushed that score higher than the Velocity Micro - which was still a very very good system.
The Overdrive PC website, for example, had a discussion forum - Velocity Micro's didn't.
Overdrive's "offline purchasing" meant that the computer was hand-reviewed by a particular tech to see if the parts met our needs and made sense together, and of course, there's the human contact factor. VM had your standard automated purchasing system. Not that this is in any way a bad thing.
When doing an evaluation, some areas tend to affect other areas. In this case, build quality -or at least the superficial parts of build quality- also affected presentation.
As for the multimedia performance: No, they both didn't have 5.1 surround sound, but we also lump in the performance in our DVD encoding test. The OverdrivePC simply dominated in this area. We rarely hand out 10/10 for multimedia and productivity to anything but dual core systems. (which is not to say that a dual core system will guarantee a 10/10) 9/10 is about as good as single-core computers get because multimedia is heavily influenced by raw clock cycles and many of the associated programs are multi-threaded.
A 9/10 or 10/10 on multimedia and productivity doesn't heavily influence a final score - meaning we don't dock a single core system even a tenth of a point in the final score if it's already scoring in the "9's". This category is simply not a make or break category for a final score unless there is something blatantly wrong. If the Overdrive PC had a single core processor, and everything else fell into line in regards to price, etc, it probably would have gotten a 9/10 but will have still earned the 9.7 in the bottom line.
Velocity Micro also provides hefty tech support hours of 7AM to 11PM EST during the business work week, and 10AM to 4PM EST on Saturday.
Yup, there are people who prefer to skip to certain sections so sometimes we tend to repeat certain issues that are pertinent or required to explain something we bring up on another page. This is particularly true on the conclusion page - some people may just read the conclusion and we want it to stand on its own.jahcs said:Good review, you hit all the important points.
There is some repetition of the "copy and paste" variety in the review where you say the same thing several times, like the fan incident, it's resolution, and the remarks of Mr. Copeland.
I also appreciate your remarks regarding preloaded software and Velocity's ability to customize the preloaded software. I hate junk cluttering up a new computer.
P.S. I'm looking for a [H]ard review of laptops in the $1700.00-$2100.00 price range that can handle playing DVDs and running current games without chugging
That is usually the case unless a company has an agreement with Microsoft. The rules as laid out in the MS OEM System Builder's program have changed a lot over the years.jack_flack said:I was under the impression (after reading another another very in depth thread somwhere on the [H]) that as an OEM you can provide an OEM copy of the OS or a restore disc of somekind but not both? I wish I could find the thread right now but I don't have time. As an OEM myself I would love to offer both but currently only provide the OEM OS CD and then the driver CD's themselves. If someone could clarify this that would be great.
But another great reivew nonetheless! I've read every one so far. Keep up the great work guys...
swatbat said:Also is it just me or are you guys bad luck? It just seems like you have failures with almost every system you have tested.
The second time we called, on a Wednesday afternoon, we were on hold about 10 minutes when a man called Chan answered the phone. We told him that our optical drive was making chunka-chunka-chunka noises, and after making sure that we could handle installing the drive on our own, he sent out a replacement drive via UPS ground. In reality there was nothing wrong with the DVD+/-RW drive. As part of our evaluation process we RMA at least one part.
jahcs said:There is some repetition of the "copy and paste" variety in the review where you say the same thing several times, like the fan incident, it's resolution, and the remarks of Mr. Copeland.
swatbat said:No I know why you rma an optical drive I'm just saying in general. It seems like you all have had your fair share of both stabilty issues and some other hardware failures. In this case the unit had a bad card reader and a loose fan, the fragbox fnw ended up saying a bad video card after all was said and done(although you think the chipset didn't help). The windowpc had a dent and a bad ps. I'm saying bad luck as you seem to have a high rate of failure. As far as my sugestion to try things other then the optical drive I mean that more to give a little bit more of a challenge for the tech support. Maybe say the hd is clicking, fan making bad sounds, etc. Things that are not too hard to figure out but that test the techs a little bit.
Leon2ky said:Dangling fan? That isn't a good way to start a review . Overall nice review. I wish people would shut up about price though, we all know we can build it cheaper, get the hell over it.
jahcs said:I appologize for not being clear. Chris_Morley got what I was saying which is that within the same article certain things were repeated basically in their entirety multiple times.
IMO it's not too unusual. There are two problems, first from stuff banged up during shipping and the second from stability (outright failures or overclock related). C'mon, who hasn't had stuff broken by the shipper? If you mail order enough stuff, you WILL see your share of busted up items. Complete computers and cases are the most common, and no shipper is immune. For stability problems, just read the forums! Endless tales of woe - not passing Prime, dumping out of 3DMark, failing Memtest... both overclocked and stock speeds. Someone with a rock stable and highly overclocked system may scoff, but those guys aren't all lying - heck they probably think you are the one lying with your tales of an A64 3200+ running at 3GHz prime stable with default volts and 45ºC load temps!swatbat said:It seems like you all have had your fair share of both stabilty issues and some other hardware failures... I'm saying bad luck as you seem to have a high rate of failure.
As I understand it, Microsoft's OEM agreement (besides the retardation of their overpriced OPK that discriminates against small-time builders) states that you can only have one Windows SETUP.EXE. That's why older systems with Windows 95/98/ME that had the .CAB files in the C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS directory did not have a SETUP.EXE in there. The .CAB files were provided twice, once on CD with a SETUP.EXE and once on the HDD sans SETUP.EXE for the convenience of not having to pop in the CD all the time.jack_flack said:I was under the impression (after reading another another very in depth thread somwhere on the [H]) that as an OEM you can provide an OEM copy of the OS or a restore disc of somekind but not both?
jebo_4jc said:I will be glad to see these types of systems at Best Buy. The problem is, unless VM and Best Buy get together to offer rebate promotions, these will never sell there. There have been "Other" brands of PCs at best buy before, and they have never sold well because sitting right next to this PC for $1500 will be an HP system with similar specs (minus a video card), bundled with a 17" LCD and a printer for $999 after MIRs.
swatbat said:Yea it just seems like you all have had a pretty high failure rate. Things do fail yes but usually not like they have for your reviewers.
swatbat said:Yea it just seems like you all have had a pretty high failure rate. Things do fail yes but usually not like they have for your reviewers.