Woohoo! Just ordered up 2 new 74GB 16mb Raptors!

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Brahmzy

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Get 'em now at NewEgg for $139 AMIR.

Gonna RAID0 'em.

Dang, I just realized how much I spent just now. Straight took a big ol' chunk out of the PayPal account. :( I still have Mobo, RAM, Proc & GPU to buy. :(

I hope they're fast!

I had a single 1st gen Raptor 74GB 8mb HDD and I thought it was fast. These should scream.
 
Gratz man but why not single 150g raptor? Working great for me coming from raid0 raptors myself. Gota love the quiet. :D
 
Brahmzy said:
Dang, I just realized how much I spent just now.
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WD just pooned you. :)
I have a single 8mb raptor and IF I need to upgrade (Did you really need to upgrade from a single raptor ? You must be running a server or something to need that much speed) I'll just buy another to raid0
 
Brahmzy said:
Get 'em now at NewEgg for $139 AMIR.

Gonna RAID0 'em.

Dang, I just realized how much I spent just now. Straight took a big ol' chunk out of the PayPal account. :( I still have Mobo, RAM, Proc & GPU to buy. :(

I hope they're fast!

I had a single 1st gen Raptor 74GB 8mb HDD and I thought it was fast. These should scream.
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any reason you didn't just buy the 150?
 
I wanted blistering speed/performance, not capacity so much.

Heck, if the new 16mb 36GBers were out, I prolly would've bought them. I haven't done RAID in about 5 years, so I figure I'd give it another shot. And $60 off the pair seemed to help the decision.

Also, the new 74GB 16mb are faster in some areas than the 150GBers.

I love fast HDDs - if solid state was available, I'd have it. iRAM's only 4GB and almost twice the price of these two new drives I bought.

Hopefully I'll like it. They'll be in a P180b, so hopefully they'll be quiet.
 
I thought single raptor 150 or the new 74gig one is faster in single user environment than 2 raid0 ones?
 
chaikovski2002 said:
I thought single raptor 150 or the new 74gig one is faster in single user environment than 2 raid0 ones?
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In most scenarios, that is the case. However, if he were doing something which requires a higher sustained transfer rate, such as raw DV->raw AVI transcoding, RAID-0 may be faster.

Edit: Just noticed you said Single USER, not single drive. Doh! Ignore this post.
 
Congrats! I absolutely enjoy my new 74GB 16MB Raptor. It has noticeably sped up app load times and system boot times, not to mention Diskeeper only takes 15 sec for a full defrag! Gotta like that.
 
Would RAID-0 decrease install time? I re-installed Diablo 2 for the first time in ages yesterday, and I remembered with agony the 10 minute install. :D

Though I noticed throughout the actual install, CPU usage was minimal... I want blazing installs!!!
 
Quick question.

This drive would be still fast as crap just by itself, right? Just a single drive, no pairing.
 
mdameron said:
Would RAID-0 decrease install time? I re-installed Diablo 2 for the first time in ages yesterday, and I remembered with agony the 10 minute install. :D

Though I noticed throughout the actual install, CPU usage was minimal... I want blazing installs!!!
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depends: are you installing from the install media, i.e. CD-ROM or from a virtual drive? If the former: no. If the latter: maybe.
 
Chowder Head said:
Quick question.

This drive would be still fast as crap just by itself, right? Just a single drive, no pairing.
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yes. Depending on whom you're asking and what your workload is, there may be no performance increase from RAID-0-ing the drives.
 
it only helps out in a couple very niche areas. it isnt noticeable at all in day to day use. and it doubles the chance of data loss.
 
Who cares, it's a learning experience. I'm gonna pick up 2 80 gig SATAs just to pud around with... As of right now, I don't even know how to set up a RAID 0 array... I damn sure will by the end of the next pay period.
 
So 2 Raptor 74's, built off the same drive as the 150, in RAID is not faster than one 150?

Sorry guys, I know you'll argue this up and down, but I just don't understand how that can be.
 
gman said:
So 2 Raptor 74's, built off the same drive as the 150, in RAID is not faster than one 150?

Sorry guys, I know you'll argue this up and down, but I just don't understand how that can be.
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Some people are just so blinded by their hate of RAID0 that they will not accept the simple reality that given the same drives, RAID0 will be faster. What I don't understand is why people have such animosity towards RAID0 and feel the need to flame people who decide to run THEIR system that way. I would get it if somebody came in and said that their RAID0 system was 50% faster with the RAID than without.... ok, say something then. But when some guy comes in and is all excited that he bought a couple drives to run RAID0 don't just reply with "prepare to be disappointed" :rolleyes:
 
Well correct me if I am wrong, but people report raid0 has no real benefit for desktop performance. All it does is earn bragging rights because it scores higher in synthetic benchmarks, so if you like playing hdtach or sandra all day long then knock yourself out. In the real world raid0 helps very little. Also you increase your chances of data loss by 2, thats why people were saying erarlier on this thread to get the 150gig version and a large dump drive for evertything else. I got the raptor150 two months ago and a large dump drive, and I couldnt be happier! Also keep in mind were still on sata150, no current sata drive even saturates the sata150 channels yet.
 
chaikovski2002 said:
All it does is earn bragging rights because it scores higher in synthetic benchmarks, so if you like playing hdtach or sandra all day long then knock yourself out.
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So... what you are saying is RAID0 is the AMD of storage solutions. :D Sorry... couldn't resist. But really though, so what. It is, at the very least, the same speed as a single drive for some stuff and faster for others. And bragging rights are nice to have. Do you think I have the equipment in my sig because my old system was slow? I'm also planning on moving to a dual processor box soon, do you think that's because this one is slow? Sometimes.... it's nice to throw the e-penos down on the table. :D

chaikovski2002 said:
Also you increase your chances of data loss by 2, thats why people were saying erarlier on this thread to get the 150gig version and a large dump drive for evertything else.
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This is such BS. Sorry man.... but I've ran RAID0 on numerous systems and never once had a problem. I've had single backup drives fail.... guess what, you lose all the data that way to. People that boot from RAID0 need a backup option just like anybody running a single boot drive. I would NEVER store critical data on any single drive solution. That's what RAID1 and RAID5 is for. BTW... what's to say that he doesn't have a "dump drive" in addition to the RAID array?


Bottom line is that there are no reasons that can be given for the amount of RAID0 bashing in this forum. It's lame.... let people do what they want. If somebody asks whats better.... fine tell them, but flaming people who just made a purchase (could be big or little depending on the income) is fucking lame. Not saying you did this.... just speaking in general.
 
I can't be the only one wondering WTF are you talking about when you mention AMD.
 
If you read what he quoted, it makes perfect sense. It wasn't meant to be inflammatory, hence the smiley.

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ivzk said:
I can't be the only one wondering WTF are you talking about when you mention AMD.
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Faster in benchmarks, no difference (compared to intel) in real life. Sorry... been spending too much time in the Intel forum. :D
 
Poncho said:
Sometimes.... it's nice to throw the e-penos down on the table. :D
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I agree :D
Poncho said:
I would NEVER store critical data on any single drive solution. That's what RAID1 and RAID5 is for.
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I disagree. The implications made by this statement, rather intendeded or not, is that with a RAID-1 or RAID-5 solution, backups are unnecessary. Running drives in RAID-1 or RAID-5 only prevents a single kind of mishap - a drive failure - from destroying all your data. PSU failures, Lightning strikes, Overheating, Shorts, and User Error can still destroy data on even a RAID setup. Critical data saved on a single drive and backed up off-site is a far superior solution to data stored on a RAID-1 or RAID-5 array. Of course, RAID-1 plus offsite backup is superior to this :)
 
TeeJayHoward said:
PSU failures, Lightning strikes, Overheating, Shorts, and User Error can still destroy data on even a RAID setup. Critical data saved on a single drive and backed up off-site is a far superior solution to data stored on a RAID-1 or RAID-5 array. Of course, RAID-1 plus offsite backup is superior to this :)
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But what about nuclear disasters or global destruction? Crap now we need an off-planet solution.

You see where this is going? To each his own.
 
TeeJayHoward said:
I agree :D
I disagree. The implications made by this statement, rather intendeded or not, is that with a RAID-1 or RAID-5 solution, backups are unnecessary. Running drives in RAID-1 or RAID-5 only prevents a single kind of mishap - a drive failure - from destroying all your data. PSU failures, Lightning strikes, Overheating, Shorts, and User Error can still destroy data on even a RAID setup. Critical data saved on a single drive and backed up off-site is a far superior solution to data stored on a RAID-1 or RAID-5 array. Of course, RAID-1 plus offsite backup is superior to this :)
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Eh... for most users a RAID5 or RAID1 solution is more than enough redundency. In a business setting I agree... but you don't need triple backups of your MP3s and porn. Personally, I like having my stuff on a large single drive in my main system and that same data on my software RAID5 array. Now the only thing that will kill that array is a 2 drive failure, for whatever reason, and should that go i've got my single drive as backup and vice versa. Now... should my apt. burn down yea, I'll lose my data. Big deal... it'll suck, but not life or death. And if I need to secure any VERY important documents it's all about the safe, but then again.... docs like that shouldn't be kept on a home PC IMHO.
 
WhyYouLoveMe said:
But what about nuclear disasters or global destruction? Crap now we need an off-planet solution.

You see where this is going? To each his own.
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It all depends on how critical the data is to you. If it's things you'd just hate to lose, store it offline in a closet somewhere. (USB drives FTW!) If your business depends on it, store it off site. If your financial life depends on it, store it offsite. If the world depends on it, store it off-planet. If the galaxy depends on it, store it in another galaxy. If existance itself depends on it, you're screwed :)

Poncho said:
Eh... for most users a RAID5 or RAID1 solution is more than enough redundency. In a business setting I agree... but you don't need triple backups of your MP3s and porn.
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For most users, you're absolutely right. RAID-5 for incredibly large quantities of files (pr0n). RAID-1? Never. Why bother giving yourself an extra chance to lose the data when, for the same cost, you can just unplug the drive and stick it in a closet?
 
raid 0 just isnt worth it. if you wanna do it as a learning experiance, or just for fun, thats fine.
 
I should point out that RAID-0 doesn't double the chance of data loss. The number one cause of data loss when dealing with RAID-0 is corruption. This occurs more frequently than drive failure. The true chance of data loss then is more than tripled.

Those doing professional data work need RAID-0, but for regular desktop purposes there isn't much point. The drawbacks are the extra cost, extra heat, noise and power. You'll enjoy nice and fast disc performance because you're using a Raptor. The RAID-0 part won't make any difference.
 
general said:
The drawbacks are the extra cost, extra heat, noise and power. You'll enjoy nice and fast disc performance because you're using a Raptor. The RAID-0 part won't make any difference.
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- Cost is purely subjective. 10 bucks is a lot to some people, $1000 isn't a lot to others.
- Heat, the heat from one more drive is negligble.
- Noise, if i can't tell a difference between 1 raptor and 2 in my case which is VERY quiet then I doubt anybody else will. It's not like we are talking about quiet drive, raptors are louder by themselves
- Power, yea those few extra watts are killer. :rolleyes:

Look... I've ran single Raptors and RAID0 raptors and can tell you there is a difference in normal, everyday usage. Is it a HUGE difference? Not at all... but there is a difference.
 
Also... it should be noted that the data loss argument is moot since you should NEVER not have your data backed up. RAID0 or single boot drive it doesn't matter... back up your data and it's a non issue.
 
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