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I've had minor problems with Vista Ultimate 64-bit.
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why? because this is an enthusiast website, where the majority of hardware, games and everything else runs on Windows?
Everytime I think about this, i laugh. I kinda wish I could re-create it, lol.
agreed. I was really freaked out last night (I'm playing through for my first time), and after killing one skeleton, a random villager in Bruma picked up it's axe and helped me against a second, instead of his fists which he had been using before. This ad-hoc AI behavior has really impressed me, and is rather scary.The interesting thing about Oblivion is that the characters are so lifelike that even the -bugs- have entertainment value. I don't think we would have found it as funny if Septim wasn't voiced by Patrick Stewart and acted "human."
And patched it sloppily at that. Theres a number of reports of problems.Windows Vista got OWNED! And this review was written before the big security flaw that MS hurriedly patched this past Tues.
I will wait at least one (1) year before I even consider "upgrading" from Windows XP Pro to Windows Vista. By then, hopefully a service pack or 2 will have been released addressing the noted stability and compatibility problems.
instead of hitting the windows key and then R, you have to hold down the windows key and press r, slight annoyance, but not hard to learnThe point is that the lack of being able to quickly use "run...", "cmd", "ipconfig", etc is not a big deal for him; whereas for me it's a serious pain.
instead of hitting the windows key and then R, you have to hold down the windows key and press r, slight annoyance, but not hard to learn
If instead of "Enthusiast" you meant "PC Gamer", you'd be right. PC Games are almost entirely Windows only. This is where the term "Wintendo" comes from.
What makes this a poor UI? The fact that you can't read everything in every window as if it was crystal clear or the fact that there's a learning curve with a new OS? Windows Key + TAB acts just like the ever present ALT+TAB except you get the Flip3D look.It turns out that Flip 3D is a poor UI.
But Microsoft has made it harder for power users - the group of readers most likely to read this article - to do the more complex work that they need to do.
I object to that title. I'm in no way a mac fan, I dont even have one. I could give you all the reasons why I dislike apple, but that would just be more off topic thread crapping.Threadcrap
No... And it's ignorant to suggest that being an "Enthusiast" makes you a Windows fan. While there is much that runs on Windows, and the standard (L)user may think that MS is the only game in town, it's simply untrue. There are hundreds of thousands of pieces of hardware from embedded computers to mainframes, and millions of pieces of software beyond that. Freshmeat.net alone lists 29,000+ pieces of software for *nix, 3000+ for OSX, and 300+ for embedded OSes. (http://freshmeat.net/browse/199/)
Debian has 29,000 pieces of software in the Universe repository. Hell, BeOS, an OS which has been effectively dead for the last seven years (and was never really all that popular), has over 30,000 applications (over 7000 are listed on BeBits alone). What's your point?
Sure, there are millions of pieces of software out there. My TV has software. So does my printer, my clock, and my MP3 player. This, of course, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what I can do with my desktop. You can argue that I should use Linux/Cross-platform alternatives, and in many cases I do (Gaim, Thunderbird, Firefox, GIMP, etc.), but the alternatives are far too often a far cry from their Windows counterparts.
Most of serious "Enthusiasts" I know are big *nix fans, some of whom have multiple MS certs.
I am what you would call an "Enthusiast". I spent about 5 hours today logged into various Linux boxes (servers, development workstations), but my desktop and notebook run Windows. So does my DVR box.
I also have multiple MCP certifications.
I am sick and tired of the crapping on Vista. I stopped reading Slashdot because of it. Vista is here, it's here to stay, and it's probably going to be the dominant OS in 5 years. No one is forcing you to like it. No one is forcing you to use it.
There's a difference between a review and a barrage. Two months after Vista has shipped, we're still hearing about how much it apparently sucks. I run Vista on my three boxes every day. I'm typing on Vista now. UAC is enabled on all of my boxes.
My boxes have both NVIDIA and ATI hardware, and both AMD and Intel CPUs. They range from a 2.66GHz P4 with 786MB of memory and a GeForce 6200 to my regular desktop, which has a 1.8GHz Athlon 64, 1GB of memory and a Radeon X1600.
Have there been problems? Yes.
SpeedStep didn't work on my notebook until I installed RMClock (not that it worked under XP without RMClock). You have to run RMClock elevated. It's a bit annoying, but I deal with it.
PDFCreator doesn't work. I found a free alternative.
Thunderbird 1.5 has screwed up scrollbars. So I run Thunderbird 2.0 beta.
WOW needs to elevate to patch. So I do it manually.
Don't like Vista? Don't use it. But don't waste your and my time by telling me why I should hate an OS that I think is pretty damn good.
4) Those random reboots, as I now know, are likely BSOD errors without none of the B and all of the D. In either case, this frustrated my efforts to diagnose the problem - especially since I got "real" blue-screens when using Quicktime. Because the system went through the trouble of going through Windows Shutdown instead of just halting, I didn't think it was a "BSOD" at all but some sort of buggy programmed Windows behavior. Coming from an XP world, I know that Blue Screens are often caused by bad drivers, bad data, and bad RAM - had I known that's what I was experiencing, I'd probably start troubleshooting there. Not knowing it was a "blue screen" I really had nothing to work with - and no idea to check the data dump.
Brian makes some good points with his article and it was an interesting read. It's too bad his experience wasn't as great as it has been for some of us, myself included.
The part of CD burning. While there are some legitimate complaints here that MS needs to address how many enthusiasts are going to use the crappy built in burning ability (it's crappy in XP as well) over something like Nero or Roxio or CDRwin or any other burning software out there? As enthusiasts we'll be damn sure to make sure we can burn CDs and DVDs without issues. I bought the new Nero specifically for that reason the same day I installed Vista.
What makes this a poor UI? The fact that you can't read everything in every window as if it was crystal clear or the fact that there's a learning curve with a new OS?
I really dislike this comment for two reasons. As a "power user" I personally find that I can find things faster and do more things in a shorter amount of time using this new interface but that won't be the case for everybody. So that means that this is totally personal preference so making a statement like that is wrong.
The other reason I dislike that comment is that if the group of readers most likely to read the article are power users like us, why are consumer level mistakes being made? Things like the use of nVidia hardware even knowing the state of their drivers. Burning a CD using the drag and drop. Even with a pre-built PC like Dell or HP you're going to be getting some type of Burning software to aid the user. It's just feels like these are normal consumer mistakes.
instead of hitting the windows key and then R, you have to hold down the windows key and press r, slight annoyance, but not hard to learn
The point was simply that there's more to being a computer enthusiast than Windows.What's your point?
I am sick and tired of the crapping on Vista. I stopped reading Slashdot because of it. Vista is here, it's here to stay, and it's probably going to be the dominant OS in 5 years. No one is forcing you to like it. No one is forcing you to use it.Everything has flaws, including Vista. It's not crapping when those flaws are pointed out, or an article is written about someone's personal experience with something. It amazes me how on /. the fanatics all make excuses about how Linux only requires a few times that you have to edit a config file, and how Joe Consumer will be ok doing this. It likewise amazes me how people make excuses for Vista's poor gaming performance (which some people swore was as good as XPs), useless things like Flip3d, and completely inexcusable things like the incompatibilities in the built in disc burning software.
There's a difference between a review and a barrage. Two months after Vista has shipped, we're still hearing about how much it apparently sucks.So if the reviews that were coming out were heaping praise on Vista (Like many were before it shipped), then you'd have no problems with them? I read those blindly praising reviews myself, and then I installed the RCs, and boy was I surprised. What's funny is that before it shipped the articles I came across/read were overwhelmingly positive. Now that people are actually trying to use it, the tables seem to have turned...
Personally I'm a big fan of heavy metal which is often crapped on. Get used to it, everyone is not going to like what you like, and if people who write articles hate something, they're going to write accordingly.
Don't like Vista? Don't use it. But don't waste your and my time by telling me why I should hate an OS that I think is pretty damn good.
Cannot deal with criticism of things you like? Stop reading forums, especially ones discussing the merits of something you've apparently already invested yourself into.
Personally I've found quite a bit of the discussion useful, as I have to deal with the fallout of the changes that are made. As it's been decades since I was new to computers, one of the ways I figure out what is going to trip up the people I have to support is to read forums and see what people are bitching about and then try to figure out how to deal with the issue.
why? because this is an enthusiast website, where the majority of hardware, games and everything else runs on Windows?
Now THAT sounds like an incredibly useful tool. It would have been interesting to know what that tool showed on the machines in the article.Author: please click the windows pearl. Type "reliability monitor"
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This will give you a complete breakdown of application failures, windows failures, and hardware failures. I've seen reports from flakey machines and you'll find that the windows failures tend to correlate strikingly with the hardware failures.
You can even select each incident on the timeline for details if you don't know how to look in event viewer or force windows to display a BSOD.
Which is the reason it's doubly important to get some linux testing in there. After all, we already know that it'll run on Windows. We DON'T know about linux. It's really frustrating going through a review and not getting the single piece of most important information there is about the hardware in question.
Reviews are there to _add_ information, right?
Reviews of graphics cards, for instance, are a dime a dozen. I can go anywhere and get graphs of Product Series N versus Product Series N-1. In an information theoretic sense, they provide close to zero entropy. My only explanation for why you don't even get the barest of alternative-OS information from a typical HardOCP review, is that it requires skills not in evidence, which is pretty sad since there's an implication of not wanting to learn something different lurking in there.
If some editor want to present other reasons, I'd appreciate it. However, I'd like to note that the popularity of the 30DO Ubuntu in itself invalidates arguments based on "small audience", IMHO.
We didn't test ReadyBoost. Perhaps we should have, but I've only got one USB flash drive and I was actually using it for data (and it's rather full!)
There were some features that, in retrospect, didn't seem to do much. Flip 3D is a gimmick, not something that will really add to productivity like Mac OSX's Expose. Windows SmartStart and ReadyBoost were non-starters as I couldn't see any performance improvement related to RAM utilization or general usage
I find this experiment to be quite flawed in that nVedia was used. It was know since Beta 2 that they have driver problems. No attempt with ATI hardware makes this a very biased experiment.
I think the reviewer simply set out to bash Vista from the start. By the time of official launch it was well known (for months) that nVedia drivers were having major issues yet he intentionally chose to use them on both of the machines.
maybe i'm bit late to this but
what??..
if you not used/test this feature how do you come with this conclusion??
MagnusDread said:And of course noone at all is going to use the built in disc burning feature, and then show up at my desk asking why the disc they burned at home does not work in the machines at work... Bullcrap.
MagnusDread said:Because it's not especially useful at the task it was designed for. That task is to enable a user to quickly and precisely get to the window they are looking for. It's not very good at that. Alt-Tab is simply better for this for every single person I've asked about this as well as in every single study and review I've read that covered flip3d. I've also used better task switchers in Windows, Linux and OSX:
MagnusDread said:Interestingly, you're one of a very few people I've heard state that Vista is faster for you. Most simply shrug and suggest they "have to get used to it" some more to judge, which is a fair point. The following is not an opinion, like yours; a large firm that does usability studies has concluded that Vista has higher "Interface friction", meaning that it takes more time to get the same things done for most people.
MagnusDread said:So according to you, if I spent $500 on a GeForce 8800 GTX a few months ago (basically the #1 gamer card), then I should either a) consider Vista unworkable, or b) shell out $400 for a slower Radeon X1950XTX????
MagnusDread said:It's lame as hell to suggest that because most enthusiasts use Nero or another 3rd party package, that it's fine that drag and drop burning in Vista is deeply flawed. It's broken, quit making lame excuses for it.
Vermillion said:While there are some legitimate complaints here that MS needs to address how many enthusiasts are going to use the crappy built in burning ability
You're defending a position that the author himself did not take. He calls Vista a lemon and unfit for ANYONE. This kind of absolute is at best ignorant and TROLL. I'm sure if someone started a thread in this forum calling Vista a lemon and unfit for anyone it would be labelled a Troll. There's no other word for it. Why should we chaulk it up to one user's experience (or inexperience ) when the author is not willing to do the same?
What he really meant is that it is a lemon and unfit for anyone in its CURRENT STATE, based upon his own personal experience. This is how I interpreted it. There's nothing to get angry about because it's just his opinion based on the experience HE had. I don't recall anywhere in the article where he told people that they should not upgrade to it under any circumstance.He calls Vista a lemon and unfit for ANYONE.