$4,000 To Spend

shivang222 said:
What is the difference between Vista Home Premium and Vista Ultimate?
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You probably won't notice the difference. Ultimate has some extra games and tools i believe (great :rolleyes:), and has some aspects of the Business edition, too, at least i think it does anyway. I'm trying to find a table which compares the 2, but i'm not having much luck. You'd probably be better of getting Home Premium and saving some cash.

shivang222 said:
How does my keyboard look?
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Good; i'll either be getting that one or the Eclipse II version probably.

shivang222 said:
I have all I will need to build a pc right? nothing missing right? (even the obvious little stuff...)
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Yeah, i think you're about there! You'll need a some screwdrivers, though, and possibly an anti-static wrist strap (although this isn't needed, you can make do with touching a radiator or something every so often).
 
Why not a 30" monitor?

If you have the cash for it, it is the best investment for a computer. You will have that monitor for years and years to come...
 
Mansize_tissue said:
You'll need a some screwdrivers, though, and possibly an anti-static wrist strap (although this isn't needed, you can make do with touching a radiator or something every so often).
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I got those at home...


Also, I was thinking of getting a 30inch... but it is too big for the distance I use my computer at...
 
I hope this machine proves better than what I currently have....

Pentium M 1.6Ghz
512 Mb of RAM
ATI Mobility Radeon 9000
40Gb HDD
Win XP (32bit)
:(
 
Shivang,

I would do 4x1 Gig because you said you're never going to upgrade the machine. Some say 4x1 gig is faster than 2x2 gigs because all four channels are being used. On the other hand, this claim is disputed by many. In reality, there is little to no performance difference, as both configurations run in dual channel mode. The reason I would go 4x1 over 2x2 is because it's cheaper. The real benefit of getting 2x2 is that you can pop in another 2x2 set for 8 Gigs of RAM down the road without replacing your original set. However, since you're never going to upgrade, why waste $150 or more to support a feature you will never utilize. Just go with 4x1.

Your rig will blow your current computer away, no contest. That should be obvious.

Mark.
 
Which memory do you suggest?

8gigs of memory wouldn't be needed in the near future, would it? (2-3years)
 
8gigs? doubt it. you'd be fine with 4gb for awhile. 2gb seems to be becoming the standard right now and then in a few years i'm sure 4gb will be standard lol
 
I'm late, i know, and 62$ over budget, but 4000$ will accrue that in interest in a little over four months at 5%, so whatever.
i just did this in 10 minutes, and i'm sure other people have responded, but that's what i'd get, and it'd be great



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SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black SATA Model SH-S183L - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151141
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy


$79.98
($39.99 each)
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Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136012
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate

$219.99
$209.99
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Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822136073
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

$10.00 Mail-in Rebate

$279.98
($139.99 each)
1

SAMSUNG 244T-SV Silver 24" 6 ms (GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
Item #: N82E16824001223
Return Policy: [LCD] Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

-$50.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate

$749.99
$699.99
2

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130072
Return Policy: Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy

$30.00 Mail-in Rebate

$1,139.98
($569.99 each)
1

Rosewill RCR-FD200 All-in-one USB 2.0 Black 3.5" Card Reader with 1.44MB Floppy Drive - Retail
Item #: N82E16820223072
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$5.00 Instant

$25.99
$20.99
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Patriot eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC22G8500ELK - Retail
Item #: N82E16820220161
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

-$50.00 Instant
$50.00 Mail-in Rebate

$299.99
$249.99
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EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813188013
Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate

$249.99
$239.99
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Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6700 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115002
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

$519.00
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HIPER HFF-1N12N 120mm Case Fan - Retail
Item #: N82E16835224005
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$23.96
($5.99 each)
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ZALMAN CNPS9500 LED 92mm 2 Ball Cooling Fan with Heatsink - Retail
Item #: N82E16835118223
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

-$10.00 Instant

$63.99
$53.99
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Item #: N82E16811119121
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
* COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-850-EMBA ATX12V / EPS12V 850W Power Supply - Retail
Item #: N82E16817171017
Return Policy: Manufacturer Warranty

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i_am_mustang_man said:
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I wouldn't get that cooler, it's not very good when compared with the Tuniq Tower or Thermalright Ultra-120.

Also, you might as well drop that processor and get the E6600 because... well it's been discussed and decided earlier in this thread.

2 x DVD burners?

One more thing, drop that fast RAM and replace it with 4GB of PC2-6400; the extra speed really isn't required.

Other than that, i think that's a great setup you have listed there. ;)
 
Markyip1 said:
Shivang,

I would do 4x1 Gig because you said you're never going to upgrade the machine. Some say 4x1 gig is faster than 2x2 gigs because all four channels are being used. On the other hand, this claim is disputed by many. In reality, there is little to no performance difference, as both configurations run in dual channel mode. The reason I would go 4x1 over 2x2 is because it's cheaper. The real benefit of getting 2x2 is that you can pop in another 2x2 set for 8 Gigs of RAM down the road without replacing your original set. However, since you're never going to upgrade, why waste $150 or more to support a feature you will never utilize. Just go with 4x1.

Your rig will run blow your current computer away, no contest. That should be obvious.

Mark.
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Mark, do you know of any conflicts when running 4 modules of RAM on the eVGA board? I am considering a similar setup, but i'm not sure if there'll be more problems when populating all of the DIMM slots on the motherboard. Also, isn't it more difficult to overclock RAM when there are 4 modules? I know the RAM isn't likely to be run higher than it's rated speed anyway (400Mhz), but i think i remember reading about people having to reduce their RAM down to DDR2-667 speeds when running 4 x 1GB. It's just, i'm considering a similar setup myself and, at some point, i want to have 4GB of RAM but i don't know if there'll be any problems.

EDIT: Doesn't the RAM have to be run in 2T mode when using 4 modules, or is this often a requirement when running 2x2GB (i forget)?
 
I have four sticks of 1 Gig G-SKILL PC-6400 RAM originally rated at 5-5-5-15, 1.8v-2.0v. This is their mid-range (I believe) RAM with the red heatsink. I've had zero problems with the setup, and I've achieved a stable overclock of 400Mhz FSB (matched 1:1) with timings reduced to 4-4-4-12 (with vDIMM at 2.0.) As my goal for the processor is 3.6Ghz, I haven't tried overclocking the FSB beyond 400Mhz, as vCore is already at a lofty, but certainly stable 1.44. However, I've read elsewhere that people with similar setups have gotten four sticks of PC-6400 up to 900Mhz and beyond. I do run the RAM at 2T, although I haven't tried lowering that value.

Edit: I haven't heard of any 680i / four sticks at 667Mhz issues. Maybe it's quad core related? I know that older 680i boards (like evga's AR and TR models) are bottlenecked with quad cores.

Mark.
 
Shivang,

You need to decide. If you want to upgrade to 8 Gigs down the road, get 2x2 Gigs now. If not, then 4 x 1 Gig will be about $150-$200 cheaper. That should be the only point to compare. The G.Skill RAM you had in either the 4x1 or 2x2 configuration is fine and will have no problem running at its rated speed of 800Mhz. Both G.Skill sets come with 5-5-5-15 timings, which you should easily be able to reduce to 4-4-4-12 as part of your overclock.

Faster RAM (in Mhz) is a waste because you will likely not be able to get an E6600 (or any Core 2 Duo for that matter) above 3.6Ghz stable on air.

I think you're set... Go buy the rig and enjoy :)

Mark.
 
Hey.. being in Los Angeles, California...
Do you guys know any good store in which I should buy my computer?
Or do you think I should get it from Newegg?
 
shivang222 said:
Hey.. being in Los Angeles, California...
Do you guys know any good store in which I should buy my computer?
Or do you think I should get it from Newegg?
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You can't beat newegg's combination of low prices and customer service unless you have special hookups. Too bad MCS is gone, no tax for cali, lol... ahh, the good ol' days. ZZF is sometimes cheaper than the egg, so you can check them out, too. Those are the only two I use (I'm in socal, too). If I need things immediately (emergency), I hit up Fry's.
 
shivang222 said:
Would memory at 667Mhz slow down the system?
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I assume you mean DDR2-667 (333Mhz)? Because memory at 667Mhz would be DDR2-1333. Anyhow, it all depends on what you'll be running the system at. If you'll be running it at stock speeds, then no, it won't slow down the system, since the stock ram speed is DDR2-533. If you plan to OC to 400Mhz FSB, then yes, it might slow the system down if the ram can't reach 400Mhz.

I feel like you're not grasping these concepts... do you need more explanation or did you get all that?
 
Yes, I don't.... ( I meant DDR2-667)
So in other words only if I overclock, memory at 667mhz slow down my system?
Supposedly, I overclock a QX6700 to 3.2ghz.. would it slow the system down?
 
shivang222 said:
Yes, I don't.... ( I meant DDR2-667)
So in other words only if I overclock, memory at 667mhz slow down my system?
Supposedly, I overclock a QX6700 to 3.2ghz.. would it slow the system down?
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The DDR2-667 RAM would allow you to hit an FSB of 333Mhz, assuming that the RAM won't overclock at all. Then multiply 333 with what ever multiplier you use on the QX6700 (sorry, i don't know that multiplier it has or whether it is unlocked or not) and there's your overclock. Now, this is assuming that you don't run into any problems on the way. Personally, i'd just get PC2-6400 to give you a little extra headroom if needed, plus it will allow you to have a lower multiplier and a higher FSB frequency, which should yield you a faster processor.

Whether or not DDR2-667 RAM will get QX6700 to 3.2Ghz, i'm really not sure because i don't know what multiplier it uses.

EDIT: DDR2-667 wouldn't noticebly slow down the system as long as you get it to your desired speed. The main thing you'll have to sacrifice with this RAM, if you want to overclock it, is the latency timings since you'll probably have to loosen them up a bit (although, this is dependant on what their rated latencies are). Say you have DDR2-667 4-4-4-12 and DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 and ran them both at 400Mhz; DDR2-667 may be slightly slower (although, chances are, this will only be noticable in benchmarks) than DDR2-800 but only because you'll probably have to loosen the timings to 5-5-5-15, or something, to reach speeds of DDR2-800. The speed difference is negligable, the majority of the time, however. But it all depends if you plan oh how high you plan on pushing your FSB frequency.
 
I'm saying this because in a Dell, when you get a factory overclocked processor, you get it at 3.2ghz. However, the memory is only 4Gb DDR2 SDRAM at 667Mhz - 4 DIMMS...
 
Shivang,

Dell's 710 and 710H2C systems actually use a motherboard based on the older nForce 590 chipset. This is one of the methods Dell uses to cut back on the building and support cost of their systems (while selling to you at a premium,) and is also one of the reasons why building is often a smarter choice than buying a main stream brand at the high end. The 590 chipset for Intel processors is notoriously bad at supporting overclocks, which is probably why Dell decided it was feasible to put 667 Mhz RAM in there (another small cost saving measure.)

That being said, if you decide to get the QX6700, you can probably get away with 667 Mhz RAM because you won't be able to overclock to a 400 Mhz front side bus (which requires 800 Mhz RAM for 1:1 timings.) Being an Extreme chip, the QX6700 has an unlocked multiplier, which means you can bring it up as high as 60. However, because of the transistor density, you will not be able to achieve much of an overclock on air. Keep in mind that Dell uses their own hybrid liquid / thermalelectric cooling system to reach an overclock of 3.2Ghz. Reaching 3.2Ghz on air on a QX6700 is, for all I know, very very difficult.

Btw, I don't know of anywhere in the country where there is a brick & morter store that beats newegg these days. However, being in California and having Fry's is a wonderful second option for when you need something quick. Here in NYC, we can take our pick from Best Buy and Comp USA. (Sometimes J&R has good prices, but you never know what they'll have in stock.)

Mark.
 
Shivang,

To clarify the numbers being thrown around about FSB, RAM, and processor Mhz:

In a Core 2 system, there is a base Mhz speed for components. This base speed is multiplied by 2 for the RAM, multiplied by 4 for the Front Side Bus, and multiplied by your processor's multiplier setting for the processor speed.

In my system, my base Mhz is 400. This gives me 800 Mhz RAM, a 1600 Mhz FSB, and a 3600 Mhz processor. (My processor has its multiplier set to x9.) Since my RAM's speed is 400 * 2 (800 Mhz,) it's matched 1:1 with my FSB. Now the FSB and processor is always tied to this base number, but I can set my RAM to any Mhz I want, regardless of the base. However, for best results, one should ensure RAM is matched and multiplied from the base (1:1 timings.) I'm not sure if the Dell is set to 1:1 timings, but for all intensive purposes it should be.

Mark.
 
I actually am going to visit California in the summer, and will order my system then from newegg... (I live in Japan)

Do you think it would be possible to get newegg to deliver to a hotel?
 
yeah they will order, just would have to probably get a drop box so you can get an address for your room... or see if one is needed in order to do so or not, better bet would be to ask the hotel you are going to be staying at if they allow large packages to arrive... biggest would be your computer case box.. if you are going to get one that is..


anyways, just giving you some information on what I would do.

Since newegg ships with ups, ups wouldn't mind but if you want to be more accurate, get in contact with a ups rep and see if they have a problem with dropping packages off like that...

again, this is just something I would do.

if its yes to both then in order to do so, you would have to include the hotel address and let the front desk know you will be expecting packages under the name you ordered it as.

or if you want you can contact newegg and see if they can write the room number on the side and it will be delivered directly to the room at that address...

but again, this all depends if ups will do this. Let alone newegg, the best bet would be to call and ask all 3 (newegg,ups and hotel you will be staying at)

note: this would be for re-insurance purposes if you contact all 3... or you can probably even email them about these questions.:)
 
This is easy. Buy everything you see here. You will not regret it. Damn $4000 :cool:

Primary HD - Retail
WD Rapter 150GB
http://microcenter.com/byos/byos_single_product_results.phtml?product_id=235236
$169.99 + shipping/tax

Storage HD - OEM
Seagate Perpendicular 400GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148138
$119.99 Shipped

Graphics Cards
(2) EVGA 8800GTX
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2597917&CatId=2513
$1000AR (Purchase them sepeatly and send one to yourself and one to your uncle/grandma or whatever - unless you're willing to pay $100 more w/out rebates)

Motherboard
EVGA 680i Full Featured
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188013
$224.99AR +$7 Shipping
You could go with the cheaper ones if you'd like - lowest is $160AR

Memory
2x2GB G.Skill DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231112
$325 Shipped

Case
Coolermaster Stacker 832 - Black (what a sexy beast)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119121
$280 shipped

Heatsink
Thermalright XP - 120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109118
$55 shipped

The total is $2174 which includes shipping and takes rebates into account. Best of the best.

Then get a sound card - monitor - and speakers for $1826

Edit. Forgot Windows - Ultimate Retail is $300?
 
MrSuge said:
This is easy. Buy everything you see here. You will not regret it. Damn $4000 :cool:

Primary HD - Retail
WD Rapter 150GB
http://microcenter.com/byos/byos_single_product_results.phtml?product_id=235236
$169.99 + shipping/tax

Storage HD - OEM
Seagate Perpendicular 400GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148138
$119.99 Shipped

Graphics Cards
(2) EVGA 8800GTX
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2597917&CatId=2513
$1000AR (Purchase them sepeatly and send one to yourself and one to your uncle/grandma or whatever - unless you're willing to pay $100 more w/out rebates)

Motherboard
EVGA 680i Full Featured
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188013
$224.99AR +$7 Shipping
You could go with the cheaper ones if you'd like - lowest is $160AR

Memory
2x2GB G.Skill DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231112
$325 Shipped

Case
Coolermaster Stacker 832 - Black (what a sexy beast)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119121
$280 shipped

Heatsink
Thermalright XP - 120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109118
$55 shipped

The total is $2174 which includes shipping and takes rebates into account. Best of the best.

Then get a sound card - monitor - and speakers for $1826

Edit. Forgot Windows - Ultimate Retail is $300?
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It would probably be a good idea to get a CPU to go with all that other stuff.... It might perform slightly better, haha.
 
I would spend $1000 on a decent pc and $2000 on a nice HDTV (including a HD DVD player) for my bedroom & then with the rest I would buy new clothes, an iphone and a few dvd's
 
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