9600 GT early info

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DrStrangeBrew

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Anyone hear of the 9600 GT coming out Feb 14? Claims x2 the speed of the old 8600 GT but still a little behind the 8800s... it'll be great seeing the 8600 finally drop off the bottom of (most) performance benchmarks - I always laugh when it lists behind the 3yr old 79xx cards. :cool:

Oh & $170, should be great competition for the 3850 ... as always though, when info's coming from a translated chinese website, Proceed With Caution!


http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10397

http://translate.google.com/transla...m.cn/diy/graphics/reviews/0801/1205247_1.html
 
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=224852
Another...

9600 GT:
-G94 (D9M)
-Core 650Mhz
-Shaders 1625Mhz
-Memory 1800MHz
-Membandwith 256 bit (57,6GB/s)
-SP units 64
-TMU's 32
-ROP's 16

It uses desing very similar to 8800 GT, but pcb is little bit simpler.

If you look at those specs you notice it's not almost twice the 8600 GT, but it's almost twice the 8600 GTS.

This card is to replace 8600 GTS pricewise. There will also be 9600 GS to replace 8600 GT and 9500 GT to replace 8500 GT. This 9500 GT has same clocks as 9600 GT but half the memorybandwith and processing units. There will be two 9500 GT models: GDDR2 and GDDR3..difference being that GDDR3-version's memory clocks are 1800MHz and GDDR2-version's 900MHz..don't know if that GDDR2-version will replace 8400 GS?

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Nice to see that 256-bit membandwith is finally coming for low midrange (specially if 9600 GS is downclocked 9600 GT).
 
I really do hope the 9600gt outperforms the 3870 as shown in those "Force" benchmarks, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt. If the 9600gt is only on par with the 3850 512mb, than nvidia is 3 months late with this card...
 
So the 9600GT 512MB even loses in some games against a 3850 256MB. And even it wins, it is less than 5 FPS. we can image the result when it is against a 3850 512, not very exciting
 
hey look! they released a part that they should have released 8 months ago with no new technology and deemed it the nine series!
 
one can only hope for great performance/$$$ ratio cards & not dictate it as an authority... but for quite a while there was a giNormous performance gap between the $300+ cards & everything else...
I mean, for ~$200 & struggling to get FPS up, you should be able to say more than "hey, it's faster than integrated graphics"
 
bangmal said:
So the 9600GT 512MB even loses in some games against a 3850 256MB. And even it wins, it is less than 5 FPS. we can image the result when it is against a 3850 512, not very exciting
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First of all these early tests are made with well.. early drivers. When there will be official non-beta drivers we will see performance boost..not a big one, but still.

And the fact that this card is supposed to replace 8600 GTS 256MB is great thing too. Not bad performance from $150 card against $170 HD3850 256MB..and when HD3850 512MB's typical price is like $190..well in that case 9600 GT 512MB can lose little bit.

By the way if you would have followed my link you would have found 9600 GT 512MB's results against HD3850 512MB. 9600 GT beats HD3850 in 3dMark, Crysis and World in Conflict. Loses in Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

Ps. If you look that PConline test you'll notice that HD3850 256MB is able to beat 9600 GT 512MB only when they use settings that neither card can run. In same games 9600 GT 512MB will beat HD3850 in lower resolutions. If they would have tested maximum playable settingss in different games..9600 GT 512MB would have beaten HD3850 in every game..exeption with Need For Speed.
 
Niceone said:
First of all these early tests are made with well.. early drivers. When there will be official non-beta drivers we will see performance boost..not a big one, but still.

And the fact that this card is supposed to replace 8600 GTS 256MB is great thing too. Not bad performance from $150 card against $170 HD3850 256MB..and when HD3850 512MB's typical price is like $190..well in that case 9600 GT 512MB can lose little bit.

By the way if you would have followed my link you would have found 9600 GT 512MB's results against HD3850 512MB. 9600 GT beats HD3850 in 3dMark, Crysis and World in Conflict. Loses in Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts.

Ps. If you look that PConline test you'll notice that HD3850 256MB is able to beat 9600 GT 512MB only when they use settings that neither card can run. In same games 9600 GT 512MB will beat HD3850 in lower resolutions. If they would have tested maximum playable settingss in different games..9600 GT 512MB would have beaten HD3850 in every game..exeption with Need For Speed.
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So you're comparing the "MSRP" of this card to the current "typical" price of the 3850? Didn't really care to read anything else in there, but yeah.. think about that one.
 
"The 9600gt is the card that the 8600gt should have been..." Let's not forget that, "The 3850 is the card that the 2600xt should have been..."

Whether you like the 9600gt or not [even though it does beat the 3850 512 in most early benchies]; be happy that it's at least driving the prices down. Unless you enjoy paying $249 for a 3870.
 
Sr7 said:
"Should have"? According to what dictating authority of the universe?
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1) Because the 8600 series are such pieces of shit.

2) Because there was no ~ $200 decent replacement for the 7900GT

3) Because they should have released something not quite as fast as the 8800GT that actually sold for somewhere under $200, and that (this card) is something that's been sorely missing for at least 6 months.

I wanted to get an inexpensive card to replace my 7900GT a few months ago. I wanted something under $200 or so and I didn't want to take a real step down in performance from the card I had that was over a year old. It seemed like there was only one card that even came close to fitting the bill: X1950 Pro.

The 8800GT came out and I thought: wow great, I'll pick one up in a couple weeks when I can find one for around $220, then, the price gouging began. Computer part prices are supposed to DOWN, not up.. wtf...

Will this 9600GT have a low power 2D mode like it should? If not, I may as well get a 3850 512 now, I think.

DrStrangeBrew said:
...for quite a while there was a giNormous performance gap between the $300+ cards & everything else...
I mean, for ~$200 & struggling to get FPS up, you should be able to say more than "hey, it's faster than integrated graphics"
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QFT

nVidia really needed a slap upside the head regarding the ~$150 - ~$200 video cards of the last couple years, I mean, wtf?

8600GT was in some games a step DOWN from the 7600GT, when, really, it seems like the newer model midrange (8600GT) ought to at least equal last years ~$300 7900GT ???
 
I hear ya Gib.. at the moment I'm most likely going to hold out for the future 7900~equivalent of price/performance, don't know if that will be a "9900" or maybe something that nudges in above ATI's 3870

I'm really not looking forward to Any of the "x2" style cards (ex: 7950x2)
 
DrStrangeBrew said:
I hear ya Gib.. at the moment I'm most likely going to hold out for the future 7900~equivalent of price/performance, don't know if that will be a "9900" or maybe something that nudges in above ATI's 3870
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I get the impression that's basically the 8800GT.
 
at the moment I'm most likely going to hold out for the future 7900~equivalent of price/performance
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You might be holding out for awhile, nvidia won't release the 9800gt until ati releases the RV770, sometime in Q2 '08. Maybe, June.
 
Well Nvidia should release it sooner because 9800 GT will be wiped out by RV770. I mean that 9800 GT will be just minor revision for 8800 GT and they'll use same G92 cores.
 
I can't wait until some rma's their 8800 and get a 9600GT in return and they'll be like 9 is higher than 8, its better hur hur.
 
is it the same PCB as the G92 cards, i ask as my case will accept nothing longer than the 7950GT it currently holds?
 
Niceone said:
Well Nvidia should release it sooner because 9800 GT will be wiped out by RV770. I mean that 9800 GT will be just minor revision for 8800 GT and they'll use same G92 cores.
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That can't be true and I honestely don't understand why you keep pushing this idea, in several threads.
The 9800 GT, if it exists, when the GeForce 9 series lineup is complete, will NOT be just a "minor revision of the 8800 GT". If it exists, a 9800 GT will likely have performance very similar to a 8800 Ultra or even a bit better.

You also keep thinking that G92 cores, will be exactly the same as the existing ones (same amount of Stream Processors, same memory bus, etc), but that's also not true, using the past as an example and because G92 already IS a minor revision of G80.
 
Choppyferrari said:
I really do hope the 9600gt outperforms the 3870 as shown in those "Force" benchmarks, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt. If the 9600gt is only on par with the 3850 512mb, than nvidia is 3 months late with this card...
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It's doubtful. This card should perform very close to the old 8800 GTS 320/640, even if a bit slower overall, so I doubt it will reach HD 3870 levels of performance, which are also consistent with the old GTS.
Also, this card is not supposed to compete with the HD 3870 anyway. Remember that the HD 3870 is basically ATI's high-end. Having a mid to low end card, such as the 9600 GT, to be close to its performance, for a lower price, is a very good deal.
 
Silus said:
It's doubtful. This card should perform very close to the old 8800 GTS 320/640, even if a bit slower overall, so I doubt it will reach HD 3870 levels of performance, which are also consistent with the old GTS.
Also, this card is not supposed to compete with the HD 3870 anyway. Remember that the HD 3870 is basically ATI's high-end. Having a mid to low end card, such as the 9600 GT, to be close to its performance, for a lower price, is a very good deal.
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It's already been shown by a couple leaked benchmarks to beat the 3850 and sometimes the 3870 in most games. You can't just assume where it will perform.
 
Silus said:
That can't be true and I honestely don't understand why you keep pushing this idea, in several threads.
The 9800 GT, if it exists, when the GeForce 9 series lineup is complete, will NOT be just a "minor revision of the 8800 GT". If it exists, a 9800 GT will likely have performance very similar to a 8800 Ultra or even a bit better.
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Don't see that happenening with G92 which has that 128SP and 256-bit bus.

You also keep thinking that G92 cores, will be exactly the same as the existing ones (same amount of Stream Processors, same memory bus, etc), but that's also not true, using the past as an example and because G92 already IS a minor revision of G80.
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Well G92 has 128SP's and 256-bit bus at best. It can of course have smaller amount of SP's or narrower bus, but somehow I doubt the last one at least.
 
It seems that the 9600gt blurs the line between the 3850 and 3870, which is probably what nvidia wants, so that we can't make complete conclusions on which card is best in all situations. But the key thing is price/performance --killing the 3850 on performance --killing the 3870 on price.

As far as the 9800gt; nvidia is tight lipped about the card that will combat RV770, it's possible that it may not even be called 9800gt, Q2 '08 is still far off and nvidia hasn't confirmed anything on it yet.
 
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