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The 3dMark scores are heavily influenced by CPU performance and so the Z will look a lot better, but actual in game performance will favor the M11X
And I don't think anyone should get this computer if they want to do heavy CPU intense stuff... this is meant as a gaming ultraportable, and compared to the Acer 1410 or 1810 or the Asus UL80's, this is damn well priced
Nah mate, i've done the research and been reading every thread in existence, the Z puts out the same frames in Batman: AA @ 1600x900 that the 11x does at 1366x768 for example... That cpu coupled with a 335m is just a huge disappointment because 330m with i5 or i7 blows it away. Seems like the beancounters got the best of the 11x.
Just got mine as well! Lunar Silver!
Will post pics
im curious to see what lunar silver looks like.
I really believe you are jumping the gun BlueHaze by bailing out before we see more user reviews, but to each their own. Personally I would wait at least a week before canceling. Maybe even do your own hands on experience.
For the money you are planning to put into a Z, I hope it turns out to be worth it. I'd personally rather get a slightly bigger laptop with a better graphics card for the price a good Z would run, and it would still be cheaper. The whole reason I personally ordered the M11x was the good battery life, good game performance, and ultraportable form factor for a non-obscene price. After coupons my M11x with SU7300 cpu, 4 gb ram, and 250 gb hd all for $830 shipped.
yeah plus it's expensive for what you get
for just a few bones more you could get one of those Asus laptops mmmmm
It is true. Other then for gaming, the Z is a much better computer. But for most gaming, which depends more on the GPU than the CPU, the M11x would be better. It really depends on what you need your laptop to do.
Just curious blue, what do you need your laptop to do and what games did you plan on actually playing?
Depends what I feel like doing that day, programming,photoshop, movies, games, CAD work or just surfing net. Doesn't matter the Z will be better for it. Look at the 3dmark scores for Samsung 580 http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html its got i5 520 not the i5 540 that the Z comes with standard and a 330m and it scores 7100 3dmark 06 @ 1280x1024. The 11x does 6100@1280x768. At 1280x768 the Z with i7 will be pushing well over 8000 3dmarks it's going to blow away the 11x in games too.
That whole debacle with Alienware lowering the multiplier on the su7300 was just the last straw the processor was already bad enough but now they aren't even letting you overclock it to 1.73ghz they really should have put an i5 in it even a ulv and it would have been so much better but the 7300 is just to weak and kills the deal for me, not to mention the lackluster reviews over at notebook review.
I was going to sell it on ebay but with all the bad press it's recieving I am afraid I will lose money now so hopefully I can cancel it instead.
Nah mate, i've done the research and been reading every thread in existence, the Z puts out the same frames in Batman: AA @ 1600x900 that the 11x does at 1366x768 for example... That cpu coupled with a 335m is just a huge disappointment because 330m with i5 or i7 blows it away. Seems like the beancounters got the best of the 11x.
I don't mean to rain on anyones parade, I was right there with you guys excited as hell but it is what it is in the end, you get what you pay for...i'm canceling mine and going with the Z. Would have put an SSD in the 11x anyway which the base z comes with so cost is really not even that big of a difference. I just can't justify going with 11x when the Z is available.
Depends what I feel like doing that day, programming,photoshop, movies, games, CAD work or just surfing net. Doesn't matter the Z will be better for it. Look at the 3dmark scores for Samsung 580 http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html its got i5 520 not the i5 540 that the Z comes with standard and a 330m and it scores 7100 3dmark 06 @ 1280x1024. The 11x does 6100@1280x768. At 1280x768 the Z with i7 will be pushing well over 8000 3dmarks it's going to blow away the 11x in games too.
That whole debacle with Alienware lowering the multiplier on the su7300 was just the last straw the processor was already bad enough but now they aren't even letting you overclock it to 1.73ghz they really should have put an i5 in it even a ulv and it would have been so much better but the 7300 is just to weak and kills the deal for me, not to mention the lackluster reviews over at notebook review.
I was going to sell it on ebay but with all the bad press it's recieving I am afraid I will lose money now so hopefully I can cancel it instead.
4 hours with the GT335M on, 8+ with the Intel IGP onHows the battery life? Thats what I want to know.
Yes, the lights can be turned on /off with the FN key, and they can be customized in AlienFX to change colors / pulse / stay constant, etc.Also can you turn the lights OFF? I know you can change them pretty much any color, but off? Id like all LED's off except the keyboard backlight, which I would put white. Is that possible? Anything else just looks really gaudy imo.
The reason I use 3dmark is because it give a good idea of what to expect. I know people like to say don't used 3dmark etc.. but honestly I have never in my lifetime seen a system that scored significantly higher in 3dmark actually do worse in games. There are discrepancies between different manufacturers cards that can cause numbers to be confusing but in this case we are comparing 335m with c2d to 330m with i5/i7 it is a similiar enough system that the results will be pretty similiar in actual games. It is a useful tool for me, wether or not other people feel the same is insignificant as i am judging based off my own experience.
To illustrate this situation, I took 3dMark06 runs on the desktop. The desktop is running a QX9650 Core 2 Quad and an ATI 4870 X2 (overclocked at 800mhz core). These runs are all at the default 3dMark06 settings (1280x1024 resolution).
With the QX9650 overclocked at 3.6 GHz, and the ATI 4870X2 clocked at 800Mhz, I scored 19,402 marks.
With the ATI 4870X2 downlocked 25% (from 800Mhz to 600Mhz core), I scored 18,768 marks.
Now I downclocked my CPU by 25% (to 2.7GHz from 3.6Ghz) whereas I left my 4870X2 at 800Mhz. Lo and behold, my score dropped to.. 15,078 marks.
Of course, if I were actually using this to play a game, that 20% drop in GPU is going to hurt my frame rates a lot more than that 20% drop in CPU. I hope this illustrates how futile it is to compare actual gaming performance across different notebooks with different CPU's, since 3dMark06 is so incredibly CPU dependent. Vantage is going to be a better indicator of real world performance since it is far less CPU intensive.
Not to mention I have also compared the game benchmarks and the Z is able to maintain similiar FPS as the 11x only the Z does it at higher resolution so the results seem rather accurate.
As far as bad reviews, there is an outrage all over the m11x thread over there due to Dell lowering the multiplier on the su7300 which is already too weak of a processor to pair with a 335m suprised you have not seen it if you have been following that thread there are posts on probably each of the last 20 pages or more about it LOL
Anyways it is cool to be able to game on small machines nowadays, that I agree with for sure! If you are only looking for a portable gaming console the 11x will probably do you just fine as long as you don't mind the tiny screen.
That is another reason I cancelled my 11x, had been using my 1201n last few days with 12" screen and it is just a bit small for me and is aggravating to use sometimes mainly because of the 1366x768 resolution not alot fits in that space and you have to do so much scrolling on web pages and what not I finally decided that a 13" with 1600x900 would be very nice to have if I was going to be using this for any length of time.
So as you can see there were alot of thought processes leading up to my decision to cancel the m11x, the downclocking of the processor was just the straw that finally broke the camels back and got me to break down and cancel it because I was afraid the bad press would make it hard to sell on Ebay for any kind of profit, so not worth the hassle.
I think most that just want to play games will be happy with their m11x though don't get me wrong, it is just not the lappy for me.
3dMark06 is heavily CPU dependent. A core i5/7i7 is going to affect the score of 3dMark06 disproportionately to how it actually performs in games.
Let me quote what I wrote:
So are you telling me, that by your logic, my 15k score @ 2.7GHz is going to perform worse in game than my 4870X2 at downclocked 25% to 600Mhz?
You and I both know that the downclocking of the CPU is not going to matter nearly that much as downclocking the GPU, but hey, far be it from me to stop you from using 3dMark06 across different CPU's, much less different CPU architectures, to prove real-world performance.
And where are those benchmarks? Most people haven't even started game benching the M11X.
As for higher resolution, the GT335M does just fine actually. In fact:
The "outrage" is a couple of vocal users, who thought they were getting 1.73GHz when nothing was promised. In fact, had Darkhan (irresponsibly, IMO, if he truly works for Dell/AW) never leaked the fact it could OC, users would have opened it up yesterday, saw the manual, and went absolutely happy that the CPU could be OC'd at all.
Besides one user who was having Orthos/possibly memory issues, the rest of the people who have OC'd have done fine with it at 1.6GHz. And who knows, maybe Dell plans to update the BIOS to allow 1.73 GHz anyways.
And I hate using 3dMark comparisons, but in 3dMarkVantage at the Performance pre-set, a slightly overclocked GT335M is very close to my 15.6" Acer AS5740G (Core i5-520M, ATI 5650) so that ought to tell you what kind of potential there is in this thing.
Well to each their own. Personally the screen on the m11x is perfect - the resolution and screen size makes everything nice and sharp, and is very usable (1366x768 on a 15.6", on the other hand, is just awful). And seeing as how the multiplier issue is far from resolved, I don't think worrying about 133 Mhz is a big issue (especially since people will be doing setfsb and other things I bet, since nothing is stopping you from OC'ing outside of BIOS).
And it's really a matter of tempering expectations. If you expected the m11x to game Crysis on VH, and to run Photoshop at near desktop speeds, then you're probably looking at the wrong form factor or price..
As far as bad reviews, there is an outrage all over the m11x thread over there due to Dell lowering the multiplier on the su7300 which is already too weak of a processor to pair with a 335m suprised you have not seen it if you have been following that thread there are posts on probably each of the last 20 pages or more about it LOL
I literally just opened mine a few minutes ago. It's definitely not an ugly laptop. The pictures online don't do it justice. It was a little hard taking pictures of it.. but here ya go for reference. I still have it charging so haven't loaded up my steam games yet. I plan on formatting it and dual booting ubuntu and windows 7.
Nah mate, i've done the research and been reading every thread in existence, the Z puts out the same frames in Batman: AA @ 1600x900 that the 11x does at 1366x768 for example... That cpu coupled with a 335m is just a huge disappointment because 330m with i5 or i7 blows it away. Seems like the beancounters got the best of the 11x.
I don't mean to rain on anyones parade, I was right there with you guys excited as hell but it is what it is in the end, you get what you pay for...i'm canceling mine and going with the Z. Would have put an SSD in the 11x anyway which the base z comes with so cost is really not even that big of a difference. I just can't justify going with 11x when the Z is available.
That's probably why people get upset that you're bringing up the Sony Z, it might be the same size but it's an entirely different class of system... I'm curious what kinda battery life it gets tho.
For the capacity and price its nothing good.anyone hear what that 256GB SSD option is? For $350, I'd be tempted, unless it some Jmicron controlled drive.
I agree it is entirely different class of system powerwise but configured similiarly the price is not that much different and the formfactor is the same that is why I compare them. comes out to about 3-400 bucks more for Sony for which you get a whole lot more but that is only if you are going to throw SSD into the 11x which I would have anyway, but of course not everyone else would.
As far as battery life according to HH review battery life is 5h 46m for 11x general use http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=924&pageid=17 and according to Engadget review battery life for Sony Z is 4hours of video playback and 6 hours of general use : http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/11/sony-vaio-z-series-vpcz114gx-s-review/ (that is a higher config one, base price 2000 but battery life should be similiar. Only real difference as far as power consumption is that one has 3ssd's in raid 0 whereas the base config has 2 ssd's raid 0)
Edit: Who knows though Sony Z doesn't hit the shelves til next month, i'm not gonna preorder this time like I did with 11x and maybe by next month I decide to get macbook pro 13" instead depending what gpu it has in it LOL