Without Window 7 drivers, these clown APUs are a hard pass.
Why would they have driver support for a dead OS.
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Without Window 7 drivers, these clown APUs are a hard pass.
Why would they have driver support for a dead OS.
For my money. Obviously. In case you don't know, the primary objective for businesses is to generate revenue.
If you run a business then you shouldn't be using an OS like Windows 7 just from a security point of view. There are some cases where you need to run Windows 7 for old legacy applications and hardware, but if you're not then you just want to run Windows 7 because you hate to deal with change. This is why I left Windows for Linux, because I know eventually I'd have to switch over to Windows 11 just or security updates.For my money. Obviously. In case you don't know, the primary objective for businesses is to generate revenue.
Does that change the way windows updates works?Fun fact, the overwhelming bulk of the things people hate about Windows 11 and its telemetry can be permanently disabled by declaring your Internet connection as Metered, Microsoft already lost that lawsuit, and re-enabling telemetry, advertising, automatic downloads, or anything else over that would just land them in another they would be guaranteed to loose.
Microsoft has no means of knowing if your internet is or is not metered, so you check that box and they have to assume it is.
Probably not. Not even NASA can stop them from updating.Does that change the way windows updates works?
As long as you don't check this box.Does that change the way windows updates works?
Of course, AMD will lose so much revenue for not continuing support for an OS that, as of literally today, has been dead for 4 years.For my money. Obviously. In case you don't know, the primary objective for businesses is to generate revenue.
Without any logic, these clown posts are a hard pass.Without Window 7 drivers, these clown APUs are a hard pass.
According to WCCFTech, these 8000 series APU's will only support PCIE-4 with reduced lanes.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-8000...cie-4-0-x4-for-dgpu-pcie-4-0-x2-for-m-2-ssds/
Bit disappointing really, don't mind the lack of PCI-E 5.0 but having reduced PCI-E lanes isn't too ideal.
It looks like the single-channel memory may just be a typoSingle channel DDR??
Besides all the extra AI bullshit we don't want to pay for. They might make a great HTPC movie box if they support AV1 hw decode in these CPUs.More and more these just look like AMD scaled up their Mobile Silicon, this is the sort of configuration you see in their gaming laptops.
These chips scream put me in a micro mITX chassis with a 200w PSU and call it a day, it doesn't look like putting a dGPU was ever really intended for the platform which is fine, it really is, pair these with a 620 chipset and it's balanced, but the price of those mITX 620 boards are 2x what they should be. The launch of these CPUs better come with some appropriately cheap boards, because putting these with a full ATX or even an mATX board is just a waste.
Instead of even trying to build one from scratch I'm more likely to keep an eye out for a Barebones NUC-like option, Ugg.
Windows and newer Linux kernels are starting to use it. Having and not having the NPU accelerators makes a noticeable difference in CoPilot, as well as some other things. Supposedly upscaling and image enhancements that use them will be coming to things like Photos, and Search might start utilizing it for better indexing, little background tasks like that. It’s just not something the users choose to use, it just happens in the background.Besides all the extra AI bullshit we don't want to pay for. They might make a great HTPC movie box if they support AV1 hw decode in these CPUs.
Fun fact, the overwhelming bulk of the things people hate about Windows 11 and its telemetry can be permanently disabled by declaring your Internet connection as Metered, Microsoft already lost that lawsuit, and re-enabling telemetry, advertising, automatic downloads, or anything else over that would just land them in another they would be guaranteed to loose.
Microsoft has no means of knowing if your internet is or is not metered, so you check that box and they have to assume it is.
Cries in 98SE.If you run a business then you shouldn't be using an OS like Windows 7 just from a security point of view. There are some cases where you need to run Windows 7 for old legacy applications and hardware, but if you're not then you just want to run Windows 7 because you hate to deal with change. This is why I left Windows for Linux, because I know eventually I'd have to switch over to Windows 11 just or security updates.
Yeah they added it because lots of people out there need to use 5G as their primary internet and it’s really easy to blow through a data cap as is there, let alone with some 20GB in Windows updates and other telemetry data you didn’t even know about.I didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing this, because that is the main thing I hate about Windows 11.
Yeah they added it because lots of people out there need to use 5G as their primary internet and it’s really easy to blow through a data cap as is there, let alone with some 20GB in Windows updates and other telemetry data you didn’t even know about.
Good to know.Fun fact, the overwhelming bulk of the things people hate about Windows 11 and its telemetry can be permanently disabled by declaring your Internet connection as Metered, Microsoft already lost that lawsuit, and re-enabling telemetry, advertising, automatic downloads, or anything else over that would just land them in another they would be guaranteed to loose.
Microsoft has no means of knowing if your internet is or is not metered, so you check that box and they have to assume it is.
I'm going to assume the cost to create and maintain Windows 7 drivers far exceeds the $50 they stand to make from a sale to you.For my money. Obviously. In case you don't know, the primary objective for businesses is to generate revenue.
Would he buy a new license for it instead of recycle one.... The idea in 2024 that someone can casually know more about making money than Microsoft....I'm going to assume the cost to create and maintain Windows 7 drivers far exceeds the $50 they stand to make from a sale to you.
I'd much rather they dump the iGPU and use the same number of transistors for a L4 cache. Would be more useful that an iGPU I'm always going to disable and never use.
That's what the G chips have been for a while. The laptop dies with a desktop TDP and probably more I/O than the laptops.More and more these just look like AMD scaled up their Mobile Silicon, this is the sort of configuration you see in their gaming laptops.
These chips scream put me in a micro mITX chassis with a 200w PSU and call it a day, it doesn't look like putting a dGPU was ever really intended for the platform which is fine, it really is, pair these with a 620 chipset and it's balanced, but the price of those mITX 620 boards are 2x what they should be. The launch of these CPUs better come with some appropriately cheap boards, because putting these with a full ATX or even an mATX board is just a waste.
Instead of even trying to build one from scratch I'm more likely to keep an eye out for a Barebones NUC-like option, Ugg.
Single channel DDR??
Barf
I always hear that the performance of the ZenC is the same as regular, but uses less space? If ZenC is really low power then that means AMD went Big Little core design like Apple and Intel.Agreed, but that's only on the ZenC core models, which are primarily designed for low power, not performance.
Both Zen 4 and 4c each have the same IPC, so it isn't Big.Little or E cores or anything like that even though it won't clock as high.I always hear that the performance of the ZenC is the same as regular, but uses less space? If ZenC is really low power then that means AMD went Big Little core design like Apple and Intel.
I guess zenc consumes same power at same freq as normal zenI always hear that the performance of the ZenC is the same as regular, but uses less space? If ZenC is really low power then that means AMD went Big Little core design like Apple and Intel.
I guess zenc consumes same power at same freq as normal zen
But it is die space/area efficient and hard limited to how high it can clock — useful primarily for server workloads (& obviously marketing)
To be fair anyone using Comcast is also on a metered connection, just has a large cap. I just think it's getting out of hand how much they think they get to monitor my computer usage.Yeah they added it because lots of people out there need to use 5G as their primary internet and it’s really easy to blow through a data cap as is there, let alone with some 20GB in Windows updates and other telemetry data you didn’t even know about.
That is weather or not it supports the ECC functions built into DDR5 which is different than “full” ECC which has been changed to the RDIMM format so the chips don’t physically fit into standard DDR5 sockets.Ryzen 8000 APUs seem to support ECC (depending on the motherboard, which is mostly supported on non MSI boards). That's a nice change since on AM4 you had to get a harder to find "Pro" APU if you wanted ECC support. Could be interesting to use the GPU in virtualized applications.
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https://www.amd.com/en/product/14066
You can still get unbuffered ECC for DDR5 like: https://www.provantage.com/kingston-technology-ksm48e40bd8km-32hm~7KINN0E4.htm . You don't need RDIMM.That is weather or not it supports the ECC functions built into DDR5 which is different than “full” ECC which has been changed to the RDIMM format so the chips don’t physically fit into standard DDR5 sockets.
This is actually super annoying that AMD made support for something you are installing no matter what (as ECC is a required part of the DDR5 spec) optional.
Their board partners cheap out and still charge what they are for those boards makes me cranky.
That’s my point all DDR5 has ECC you can’t buy DDR5 that doesn’t.You can still get unbuffered ECC for DDR5 like: https://www.provantage.com/kingston-technology-ksm48e40bd8km-32hm~7KINN0E4.htm . You don't need RDIMM.
The dimms Dopamin linked have 10 chips, that's for real side band ECC. Non-ECC ddr5 has 8 chips; on die ECC is still there, but afaik, doesn't have reporting and definitely doesn't cover corruption on the memory bus.That’s my point all DDR5 has ECC you can’t buy DDR5 that doesn’t.
But those chips you link there don’t have the full ECC which detects side band corruption only the single bit errors which is common to all DDR5 modules.
Learn something new every day I guess.The dimms Dopamin linked have 10 chips, that's for real side band ECC. Non-ECC ddr5 has 8 chips; on die ECC is still there, but afaik, doesn't have reporting and definitely doesn't cover corruption on the memory bus.
https://www.servethehome.com/unbuffered-registered-ecc-memory-difference-ecc-udimms-rdimms/Learn something new every day I guess.