AMD stops production of Socket 939 Opterons

Not funny :( wish I could go for an FX, but calulating time it would take me... only a measly 4 years :rolleyes: . DAMN I NEED A JOB, but then again I don't have a car or a permit. being 16 really sucks. I will get my money, I WILL... ;)
 
From what I've learned AMD induce these shortages themselves, and not because they have problems with manufacturing capacity. The reason? Dumping by the big OEMs, AMD has been a victim of this practice for much of the K7 era and has become almost paranoid about it. If there is a lot of chips out there, AMD loses control of pricing. Notice how the bottom dollar A64, the 3000+, has barely moved in cost for almost a year. It shows that they're keeping a tight rein on the supply channel.
 
the opteron one billion has 2mb l2 cache per core i think :eek:
not too sure if that was a dual core one or single core, so it might b 1 core w/ 2mb l2 cache or dual core w/ 2 each.
 
Soymilk said:
the opteron one billion has 2mb l2 cache per core i think :eek:
not too sure if that was a dual core one or single core, so it might b 1 core w/ 2mb l2 cache or dual core w/ 2 each.
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What?
 
o wait nvm. stupid AMD's compare site for processors shows combined L2 cache, not L2 per core. i knew something was wrong when the opteron 165 s939 had 2mb l2 cache...
 
First of all the main reason 939 3000 and 3200's are slowling being EOLed is because AMD realizes that the majority of consumers purchase those products and they are trying to force their mainstream customer to purchase at a higher price point. It's simple business strategy in that they are about to release a higher end product and must bring the bottom end up along with it.
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Not a very good business strategy then. Actually it's piss poor. If you don't give people what they want at a price point that they'll pay for it, they'll shop elsewhere. In this case, that means they'll buy something from Intel.

What is AMD going to replace the 3000/3200 with? Please don't tell me a S939 Sempron. If that's the case, then I'll push most of my customers towards 3.0ghz+ Intel rigs. 99% of them don't game and don't overly care about what CPU is in their rigs.
 
freeloader1969 said:
What is AMD going to replace the 3000/3200 with? Please don't tell me a S939 Sempron. If that's the case, then I'll push most of my customers towards 3.0ghz+ Intel rigs. 99% of them don't game and don't overly care about what CPU is in their rigs.
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if that's true, then your first sentence is incongruent with your second sentence. if your customers don't care what goes in, then why pitch them to intel? sempron's aren't bad processors. if anything, they have more cojons than the celerons that exist in the same space.

additionally, there will be price drops soon and a 3500+ part may very well become the value component.

dave
 
Enjoicube said:
yeah, but even shortened lifespan, I still only make 5 bucks a week, I am getting the money to buy this by building Comps for people/fixing comps. I am also getting christmas money PLEASE COME SOON :p .
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Dude, in all truthfulness, get the 3800, and then slowly oc it, and watch your temps, both idle, and load. Eclipse has his awesome guide on it, and just take it slowly, run alot of primes, play alot of games before you add more, and just watch temps like a guy who gets the porn channel for 5 minutes every hour. I'd never really oc'ed before, and i took my opty 165 to 2.4 on stock voltages, before i decided my temps were too high on anything else. (i need to reseat hsf, i put too much thermal grease on)

From what i've seen, you mostly blow a proc from too much volt/too much heat. And as long as you have SOME thermal grease on, and have dropped the hsf on properly, you won't blow ANYTHING at stock heat, and i've never heard of anybody returning a cpu because it didn't work out of the box. So work your way up from there.

Remember, every 200 mhz, you save yourself like.. 100 bucks.

my 2 cents
 
Semprons and Celeron suck equally. I don't like either.

Anyhow, if AMD lowers the 3500+ into the value segment, that would be great. But I myself will not use any Sempron in a system build unless someone specifically requests it.
 
freeloader1969 said:
Semprons and Celeron suck equally. I don't like either.

Anyhow, if AMD lowers the 3500+ into the value segment, that would be great. But I myself will not use any Sempron in a system build unless someone specifically requests it.
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neither would i. but to target a specific value segment, you're almost going to have to put a Celeron/Sempron class processor in. i have to do this all the time and while it pains me, such is life. :)

dave

 
(cf)Eclipse said:
shouldn't that always be the case, opterons or no?
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yes but thats not the case with some ie, ppl dumping nice venice cores doing 2.9+ for single core opties and getting crappy results like 2.4 on a cabge. You pay extra only to take one step foward with a 1mb l2 cache and two steps back with -300 to -500 mghz hit.

My next upgrade will prolly be an M2 dual core, but if they only offer something like 4000+ 1m L2 for $350 but it can only cant reach what a 165 can, then why bother. Im not concerned with future proofing and getting the lastest gen just of the sake of it. It has to be leaps and bounds better. On paper, 4000+ is better than 3800+ so yea its an upgrade for joe smoe, but as enthusiast, what i consider value is the final results from what i can do with the OC.

im just saying from a tweaker's perspective, if M2 cant offer better OC's for around the same price points, amd wont have my business.
 
what about all those people with 3000's? they must fell really sad knowing that heir CPU is BELOW the CHEAPEST 64 CPU??? I predict people will get extremely pissed at AMD.



EDIT: 3500 isn't the lowest, 3200 CG/e4 exists.
 
Enjoicube said:
what about all those people with 3000's? they must fell really sad knowing that heir CPU is BELOW the CHEAPEST 64 CPU??? I predict people will get extremely pissed at AMD.



EDIT: 3500 isn't the lowest, 3200 CG/e4 exists.
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whats your reasoning? everyone with a 3000+ is going to be pissed because they're using a cpu that was discontinued? unless amd has some voodoo magic and somehow every 3000+ in existance craps out, it'll still do its job...
 
I bought my Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe board on Black Friday from Fry's. No one, and I mean NO ONE if the DFW area had a single Venice 3000+. The slowest thing Fry's had were 3200+, and they sold out of those quick. I ended up buying a Winchester 3000+ from a guy here. Great CPU for what I paid, but I'm going to have to bite the bullet, and get a 148 soon, as in this coming week.
 
well I still would be pissed :p . lol. I dunno, I would feel OK with a 300 if my friend didn't have a 3800
 
Soymilk said:
the opteron one billion has 2mb l2 cache per core i think :eek:
not too sure if that was a dual core one or single core, so it might b 1 core w/ 2mb l2 cache or dual core w/ 2 each.
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What on earth is the opteron one billion?
 
neither would i. but to target a specific value segment, you're almost going to have to put a Celeron/Sempron class processor in. i have to do this all the time and while it pains me, such is life.
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I don't like doing it, but will do so at a customer's request. Having AMD force me to do it is just ridiculous. All I have to say is if they EOL all the way upto the 3500, they had better replace it with something equivalent. I'm only a small fry in the grand scheme of things (anywhere from 150-300 AMD systems per year), but word of mouth can hurt a business faster than not paying your bills. :)
 
wee96 said:
What on earth is the opteron one billion?
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i didnt remember which one it was, just that it was a high number. i went to look later, but apparently its amdcompare has combined cache, so it was a dual core w/ 1mb per core.
 
freeloader1969 said:
I don't like doing it, but will do so at a customer's request. Having AMD force me to do it is just ridiculous. All I have to say is if they EOL all the way upto the 3500, they had better replace it with something equivalent. I'm only a small fry in the grand scheme of things (anywhere from 150-300 AMD systems per year), but word of mouth can hurt a business faster than not paying your bills. :)
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They won't be EOL for M2 ;)
 
Soymilk said:
whats your reasoning? everyone with a 3000+ is going to be pissed because they're using a cpu that was discontinued? unless amd has some voodoo magic and somehow every 3000+ in existance craps out, it'll still do its job...
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Agreed. Still many 3000+ out there that can run 2.7 ghz, which isn't to shabby. Comparted to people paying $160-200 for an Opty that "might" get them 2.8-3.0, a 3000 is still a good deal IMHO.
 
the 939 pin opterons were e4 cores which are at the end of their product life. the opterons were a way for amd to clear out the remaining cores. no politics/evil marketing scheme involved. amd is shifting as they have been saying for more than a year, to all dual core process. maybe we will see some e6 opterons when that core finishes up.
 
vanilla_guerilla said:
the 939 pin opterons were e4 cores which are at the end of their product life. the opterons were a way for amd to clear out the remaining cores. no politics/evil marketing scheme involved. amd is shifting as they have been saying for more than a year, to all dual core process. maybe we will see some e6 opterons when that core finishes up.
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the single core opterons are e4s...duals are e6s.

dave
 
dave_graham said:
the single core opterons are e4s...duals are e6s.

dave
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ok, a reason for discontinuing retail e6 dual core opterons.........errr ummm
ok, amd can make more profit selling retail x2 dual cores, and/or they dont have to warrant or deal with 3 years of tech support and replacements if they only sell s939 opteron dual cores to oems.
i dont believe this has anything to do with the migration to other sockets, either. have they stopped selling s940 opterons? did they stop selling socket a when they migrated to s754, s939 and s940?

on the other hand, if you think this l (no more retail s939 opty)is all just made up by somebody, well i guess we will all find out in about a month or so when they will either be on sale, or not.
 
why does all this matter?

PPC > x86 :p

no but really, i seen the threads and the talking about these opterons and was wondering what all the buzz was about. now i know. I hope AMD does'nt make the sempron the low-end of the a64's tho.
 
I3roknI3ottle said:
why does all this matter?

PPC > x86 :p

no but really, i seen the threads and the talking about these opterons and was wondering what all the buzz was about. now i know. I hope AMD does'nt make the sempron the low-end of the a64's tho.
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sempron is the value market processor. a64s/x2 are consumer/etc. level. opterons are workstation/enterprise.

that's how AMD breaks it down.

dave
 
Scotch77 said:
amd sucks, just buy a intel chip. they are clearly the better option for any type of computing.

only poor noobs buy amd.
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fuck you
 
patman,

while i do sympathize with your emphatic statement, i do think we could minimize the trolls by NOT responding to their obvious flame-baiting.

dave

 
yeaeaaaahhhh, stilll, i am waiting to get the final bids on my lan comp, and waiting for my christmas money, then I will get an X2....
 
So, can we say OWNED?


AMD Denies Phase Out of Opteron Chips for Socket 939.
Advanced Micro Devices denied on Tuesday rumours spread by a web-site regarding cancellation of production of AMD Opteron processors for servers and workstation designed for desktop-oriented 939-pin infrastructure. The company said it would continue to ship the chips for uni-processor (UP) business machines for more than a year from the time speaking.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20051213122715.html
 
Scotch77 said:
amd sucks, just buy a intel chip. they are clearly the better option for any type of computing.

only poor noobs buy amd.
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Banned, one month.
 
AMD is making a lot of money
its not even selling at MSRP and it was backordered like hell

why should AMD take it off?


when people buy oppys over Athlon X2s... the money still goes to AMD
 
intogamer said:
AMD is making a lot of money
its not even selling at MSRP and it was backordered like hell

why should AMD take it off?


when people buy oppys over Athlon X2s... the money still goes to AMD
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Actually despite the increase in price by distributors or retailers the price AMD is raking in hasn't changed AFAIK
 
Wow, I can't believe I read all that. Since I just got my 3200+ (Venice) late in the summer, I'm not looking to upgrade for at least a couple years. (Or just before Socket 939 is discontinued altogether, whichever comes first.) And of course, I'll get a dual-core chip at that time. :)
 
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