Anonymous Takes Out CBS.com and Universal Music

This is why megaupload was really shut down.

Quoting a user on torrentfreak
Megaupload INADVERTENTLY caused this by offering artists 90% of their earnings through the use of Megabox.com. Hollywood shit its pants and used their attack dogs to bring it down quick.
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Artists were really going to get the cash they deserved. Artists started to sign up and the RIAA/MPAA immediately had to stop this. This whole thing would eliminate the RIAA/MPAA completely. Completely eliminate the middle man. This was all about destroying the progression of technology. They are trying to cripple the internet now. They don't want a internet business model. They don't want to change. They want the internet to shut down so they can force you to watch tv and buy magazines again still. Controlled mediums. Filtered and monitored content. Censored to the neck.
 
Tudz said:
I agree with Pheonix. Anon are more likely to provoke more draconian action on the interwebs than prevent it. The governments of this world are interested in pleasing the voters, the voters who go to a website to find it hacked and then get worried their CC info is getting raped and sold by the same hacking morons.
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Provoking is what we need. The government is going about this very quietly and carefully. It wasn't until Jan 18th that SOPA is now a word that nearly anyone knows about. CNN is even airing commercials that support SOPA and want you to support it.

Fact is we need the government to step in and perform draconian actions. These actions will only cause more of an uproar amongst the community. Cause at the rate we're going they can pretty much do whatever corporations want them to do.

Anon aren't promoting a sense of freedom among the general population, they're promoting a sense of insecurity, which the government and entertainment publishers will be more than happily be able to fix by adding lots of "security" to the internet.
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The government and entertainment publishers will turn anything around in their favor. They're not good at it, but people will believe anything they see on TV. Nothing Anon or anyone will do will change this.

People need to understand what Anonymous is and what they're about. I like this video that explains Anonymous.

http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/anonymous
 
stealthy123 said:
where did they brag about it? I am asking honestly? do you have a link?
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deadcrickets said:
First off they were not the ones doing the file sharing, the users were. Secondly, under their EULA they made it clear that illegal content would be removed. Thirdly, they offered a DMCA tool for removing content that the IP providers didn't bother to use properly.

Let's say that you have a storage bin at a storage lot. Some other consumer has a storage bin and has illegal content in it. Based on what happened to Megaupload ALL the storage bins, including your legal one, should be confiscated and the ENTIRE company shutdown. That's how derptastic it is; it's Sarah Palin intelligence level.
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The difference with MegaUploads is that they knew copyrighted content was where the bulk of the money comes from. The legitimate setup was just a facade.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/01/why-the-feds-smashed-megaupload.ars

Megaupload employees apparently knew how the site was being used. When making payments through its “uploader rewards” program, employees sometimes looked through the material in those accounts first. "10+ Full popular DVD rips (split files), a few small porn movies, some software with keygenerators (warez)," said one of these notes. (The DMCA does not provide a "safe harbor" to sites who have actual knowledge of infringing material and do nothing about it.)
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n a 2008 chat, one employee noted that "we have a funny business... modern days [sic] pirates :)," to which the reply was, "we're not pirates, we're just providing shipping servies [sic] to pirates :)."

Employees send each other e-mails saying things like, “can u pls get me some links to the series called ‘Seinfeld’ from MU [Megaupload]," since some employees did have access to a private internal search engine.

Employees even allegedly uploaded content themselves, such as a BBC Earth episode uploaded in 2008.
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Other messages appear to indicate that employees knew how important copyrighted content was to their business. Content owners had a specific number of takedown requests they could make each day; in 2009, for instance, Time Warner was allowed to use the abuse tool to remove 2,500 links per day. When the company requested an increase, one employee suggested that "we can afford to be cooperative at current growth levels"— implying that if growth had not been so robust, takedowns should be limited.
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Employees also had access to analytics. One report showed that a specific linking site had “produce[d] 164,214 visits to Megaupload for a download of the copyrighted CD/DVD burning software package Nero Suite 10.
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Spidey329 said:
If I sell drugs in a McDonalds bathroom, they get notified of it, and then don't do anything to prevent it - are they complacent in the illegal activity by allowing such crimes to go on their property? That's the question here.
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Bad analogy...

...BUT...

.....if McDonalds' only business was renting out bathrooms for people to sell drugs in with the full knowledge that that is what was happening in the bathrooms...yeah, they'd be rounded up like these retards were.
 
what if some people sold puppies and kittens and baby otters(so fucking cute) in those same bathrooms.

It wasn't exclusively illegal material, seriously, have you considered the baby otters?
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here is an otter next to a plastic container of ice
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look at how he is warning you about how cold it is, and he is but a baby. Otters are good people.
 
This baby otter wants you to know the dangers of lactose intolerance
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Again, Otters clearly have our best interests in mind, and yet the government seeks to stifle them.
 
stiltner said:
Look. I'm all for the fight against the government. But even I can't support Megaupload and their purposes. They were illegally file sharing, and they knew it, and they claimed to do something about it, only to not do nothing about it. They lied, they know they lied, and they are just 2012's Napster.

So. If you want to rail against the system. Feel free to do so, but doing so without a criminal as your backup is probably going to get you farther. Oppose SOPA and PIPA sure. But saying that Megaupload was unicorns and plum fairies is wrong, and it'd be you just blatantly missing the truth because you got your warez from there and now you can't.

I don't care if legitimate sources were also put there. They use the same sweeping hand in government to pass every other piece of legislation and you don't cry about it then. Now that its in your backyard you're going to get your panties in a bunch, but truth be told, they'll do this 10000 times more and you won't even notice it.
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It had plenty of legitimate uses. It had support from popular music artists. You are a sad individual to claim, incorrectly, that people can't complain about this because they didn't complain about other things, which they most surely did.

You said you don't care about legitimate uses. Now turn over all your guns, your knives, your vehicles, and anything else you have that belongs to a category of things that have been used in the commission of a crime.
 
Spidey329 said:
Although I see where you're going with that, I don't think your analogy fits the situation. Going off yours .. MegaUpload was like you putting a bootleg on a city bus and then your friend going to the bus stop and grabbing the movie. You're effectively using the bus to transport the "illegal" goods. A studio then notifies the bus company (and authorities) that illegal activity is taking place on their bus and they fail to do anything (whether that's a legitimate claim or not) to hinder or prevent it. Thus, making them complacent in regards to the law.

At least, that's my take on it.

If I sell drugs in a McDonalds bathroom, they get notified of it, and then don't do anything to prevent it - are they complacent in the illegal activity by allowing such crimes to go on their property? That's the question here.
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Megaupload complied with takedown notices all the time. There goes that analogy!
 
stealthy123 said:
where did they brag about it? I am asking honestly? do you have a link?
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It is an accusation that some employees exchanged information about and knew about specific instances of piracy that they didn't remove. An accusation that people seem to think is a guilty verdict, despite the commonly known meme of being able to indict a ham sandwich.

Why this is grounds to remove the entire website and arrest the upper management, unlike what happened with youtube, is all justified in the accusation that this was a conspiracy and therefor subject to redefined versions of due process.

Does fedex get demolished because drugs are shipped through their services? Does Google get shutdown because it is used for infringing purposes? Everyone knows what is going on, but we understand that that is not an excuse to destroy the entire operation and punish the legitimate users and usages of such services.
 
Conker said:
This is why megaupload was really shut down.

Quoting a user on torrentfreak


Artists were really going to get the cash they deserved. Artists started to sign up and the RIAA/MPAA immediately had to stop this. This whole thing would eliminate the RIAA/MPAA completely. Completely eliminate the middle man. This was all about destroying the progression of technology. They are trying to cripple the internet now. They don't want a internet business model. They don't want to change. They want the internet to shut down so they can force you to watch tv and buy magazines again still. Controlled mediums. Filtered and monitored content. Censored to the neck.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. In the modern age of the internet, more artist can actually survive without those crooks in the middle.

Nothing would please me more than to see MPAA/RIAA crash and burn. Maybe then the artist will actually start getting the money they deserve.
 
They're only going to crash and burn if some psychononymous freak loses it and gets his guns out..
..but focuses on the actual guilty criminal minds behind all this, and not innocent people
 
I'd like to see ananymous do the real investigatory work as cited in a few posts...

dig up the dirt, the real dirt eveidence between the whores in D.C. and the money train that feeds them, as well as the real intentions of the bill, control/killing competitors etc - THEN expose the truth...
 
Conker said:
Artists were really going to get the cash they deserved. Artists started to sign up and the RIAA/MPAA immediately had to stop this. This whole thing would eliminate the RIAA/MPAA completely. Completely eliminate the middle man. This was all about destroying the progression of technology. They are trying to cripple the internet now. They don't want a internet business model. They don't want to change. They want the internet to shut down so they can force you to watch tv and buy magazines again still. Controlled mediums. Filtered and monitored content. Censored to the neck.
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Sad, but, this somehow reeks of some truth.... That megabox might have done in megaupload if they started to step on a major corporations ability to make profit. I think a certain website that's remained online for years and years despite its founders being put in jail, etc etc. *cough* pirates on river *cough* should make a website thats the same as the Megabox idea since they should theoretically, be able to keep it going as well/as long as they did their torrent site.

I wonder if the music industry would then try to go after them with as much gusto as they did MegaUpload?
 
Havn't read the previous posts yet... but my first gut reaction is...


Yeah right, they posted the day megaupload went down that they had their largest ever group participating in the attacks which was just over 5k people....

That's never going to touch youtube or facebook... just like the failed amazon take down.
 
ok now i've read the rest :p and my comments....

first, everyone keeps talking megaupload, and file locker .... yeah that was part of it, but the megaupload part obey'd DMCA, usually going from current links, after 48 hours, it was almost a guaranteed this file no longer exists. The major problem, and what the media companies went after them for, was the megavideo side of it... almost every major tv linking site, the majority went to mega... seasons upon seasons of show after show were all hosted on mega, and DMCA seemed to mean nothing, it was extremely rare to see a notice the show had been taken down.

As for it not slowing down piracy, based on the complaints on tv / movie sharing sites .. i'd say it slowed it down, and other file lockers are closing down until they find out what's going on / what really got mega shut down.
 
I almost wonder if Anonymous is part of something else.

This is so wreckless, stupid, and pointless it's like they're begging governments to get more draconian and crack down on the Internet, which is exactly what the response is going to be as long as this crap continues.

I already can hear the rhetoric about going after "cyberterrorists" and a new "War on" concept which is always bad news from any government and what that's going to mean.

This wild hacking attack stuff is just not accomplishing anything at all. Certainly nothing constructive.
 
stealthy123 said:
There is absolutely no evidence that pirates cost the media giants anything.
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This is what always kills me with this shit. The hypothetically "lost revenue" that they are unable to prove exists as many individuals as a result of downloading, actually buy hard copy media. LOL.
 
Q-BZ said:
I almost wonder if Anonymous is part of something else.

This is so wreckless, stupid, and pointless it's like they're begging governments to get more draconian and crack down on the Internet, which is exactly what the response is going to be as long as this crap continues.

I already can hear the rhetoric about going after "cyberterrorists" and a new "War on" concept which is always bad news from any government and what that's going to mean.

This wild hacking attack stuff is just not accomplishing anything at all. Certainly nothing constructive.
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Maybe it's controlled opposition! :eek:
 
deadcrickets said:
Fail argument is fail.

First off they were not the ones doing the file sharing, the users were. Secondly, under their EULA they made it clear that illegal content would be removed. Thirdly, they offered a DMCA tool for removing content that the IP providers didn't bother to use properly.

Let's say that you have a storage bin at a storage lot. Some other consumer has a storage bin and has illegal content in it. Based on what happened to Megaupload ALL the storage bins, including your legal one, should be confiscated and the ENTIRE company shutdown. That's how derptastic it is; it's Sarah Palin intelligence level.
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Google Sheila Jackson-Lee and then tell me that Sarah Palin is the dumbest female political figure you've ever seen. I'll wait.
 
LordCalin said:
ok now i've read the rest :p and my comments....

first, everyone keeps talking megaupload, and file locker .... yeah that was part of it, but the megaupload part obey'd DMCA, usually going from current links, after 48 hours, it was almost a guaranteed this file no longer exists. The major problem, and what the media companies went after them for, was the megavideo side of it... almost every major tv linking site, the majority went to mega... seasons upon seasons of show after show were all hosted on mega, and DMCA seemed to mean nothing, it was extremely rare to see a notice the show had been taken down.

As for it not slowing down piracy, based on the complaints on tv / movie sharing sites .. i'd say it slowed it down, and other file lockers are closing down until they find out what's going on / what really got mega shut down.
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It might slow down for a day, while all the pirates move their stuff to RapidShare or any of the other file lockers. When I read the indictment, the issue I saw was how MegaUpload saves space. If you upload a file that is identical to one they already have, they remove that copy and point your link. So when someone issues a DMCA takedown they only remove the link, and the file remains on their server. The indictment said that this means they were not complying with DMCA takedown notices.

Since there is no advanced user system at MegaUpload, there is no way to tell if the other links to that file are being used for personal use or piracy, so I dont see how this could be true. I doubt if there is even a way to see how many links are pointing to a file.
 
stealthy123 said:
so the solution is to slowly prod along and rely on "legit" avenues to respond to getting screwed over?

Seriously, your solution is to not rock the boat and it will work itself out?

The fuck kind of rational approach is there to government censorship?
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Wikipedia & Public method vs Anonymous method. Which do you think was more effective? Which one was less damaging? Which one made more people aware?


NahBrah said:
Does fedex get demolished because drugs are shipped through their services? Does Google get shutdown because it is used for infringing purposes? Everyone knows what is going on, but we understand that that is not an excuse to destroy the entire operation and punish the legitimate users and usages of such services.
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I don't know how parcel service works over here. But our own is subject to inspection. Every parcel is sent through an x-ray and pulled for closer inspection if the description doesn't match the content. Parcel delivery is a private entity and their service terms specifically restricts contraband and you pretty much sign an agreement to allow them to subject your item to scrutiny. Getting my airsoft gun shipped for repairs was an experience i'd rather not repeat. I had to go to practically every parcel outlet in southern luzon before i finally found one that'll accept it, and even then i was only allowed to send the trigger mechanism (Don't make it look like a gun!) if i didn't want the company to go into defcon5 the moment the box gets shoved through the x-ray machine.



Just how far does MegaUpload enforce it? I've been using Rapidshare to upload some videos. They're music videos tho, so they're in the gray area. Some say it's promotional material for an album so it's free to distribute, some say distribution rights don't allow it (even tho they don't sell music videos). Whatever the reason, those files get deleted pretty fast.
 
Sly said:
Wikipedia & Public method vs Anonymous method. Which do you think was more effective? Which one was less damaging? Which one made more people aware?




I don't know how parcel service works over here. But our own is subject to inspection. Every parcel is sent through an x-ray and pulled for closer inspection if the description doesn't match the content. Parcel delivery is a private entity and their service terms specifically restricts contraband and you pretty much sign an agreement to allow them to subject your item to scrutiny. Getting my airsoft gun shipped for repairs was an experience i'd rather not repeat. I had to go to practically every parcel outlet in southern luzon before i finally found one that'll accept it, and even then i was only allowed to send the trigger mechanism (Don't make it look like a gun!) if i didn't want the company to go into defcon5 the moment the box gets shoved through the x-ray machine.



Just how far does MegaUpload enforce it? I've been using Rapidshare to upload some videos. They're music videos tho, so they're in the gray area. Some say it's promotional material for an album so it's free to distribute, some say distribution rights don't allow it (even tho they don't sell music videos). Whatever the reason, those files get deleted pretty fast.
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In the US, our mail is typically only checked when it is shipped into or out of the country. Domestic mail is not screened very well (I have shipped airsoft guns, replica grenades, replica bombs, deactivated rounds, etc. and never received a call to verify they were fakes).

MegaUpload also says that can not use their service for copyrighted content, right in their Terms of Use. Its impossible for MegaUpload to screen uploads for copyrighted content. First, because of the sheer volume, and second, because uploading the content is not illegal, you are allowed to upload copyrighted content as long as you don't share the link with anyone else. MegaUpload did have an automated system for content owners to get files removed.
 
nOrVow said:
Maybe it's controlled opposition! :eek:
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After the window dressing elections are done, I'm of the personal opinion that at some point not too long after we're going to see something that's basically the cyber/Internet equivalent of the Reichstag Fire. Everything's in place to respond to a "crisis" like that.
 
Hahaha newbs

Quick find some sites with vunerabilities, then claim that you'll take down stuff like YouTube and Facebook!

These newbs claim they're gonna drop Google every so often and it has yet to happen.
As a matter of fact they even failed at taking down Fox News.

Hahaha newbs
 
Perhaps they'd accomplish more using whatever skills they have to dig up dirt on the politicians that are in the pocket of RIAA/MPPA and support bills like SOPA. Or the leeches that call themselves lawyers that created those organizations.
 
shutting down a file sharing service because people use it to pirate media is equivalent to outlawing cars because people speed - nonsensical. if you want to take legal action, subpoena them for information on the copyright violators and go after the people who are (arguably) breaking the law.
 
wizdum said:
MegaUpload also says that can not use their service for copyrighted content, right in their Terms of Use. Its impossible for MegaUpload to screen uploads for copyrighted content. First, because of the sheer volume, and second, because uploading the content is not illegal, you are allowed to upload copyrighted content as long as you don't share the link with anyone else. MegaUpload did have an automated system for content owners to get files removed.
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Except the Feds claim to have e-mails and internal company logs that indicate that the employees of MegaUploads knew exactly where the pirated content was. They claim that MegaUploads had an analytics system so they knew exactly what people were downloading and which files were being downloaded. The Feds also claim they also have logs of employees using those same analytics to reward uploaders based on the content they uploaded.

And most importantly, the indictment claimed that MegaUploads never deleted copyrighted content when a DCMA was issued. They merely deleted the external link.

NahBrah said:
It is an accusation that some employees exchanged information about and knew about specific instances of piracy that they didn't remove. An accusation that people seem to think is a guilty verdict, despite the commonly known meme of being able to indict a ham sandwich.

Why this is grounds to remove the entire website and arrest the upper management, unlike what happened with youtube, is all justified in the accusation that this was a conspiracy and therefor subject to redefined versions of due process.

Does fedex get demolished because drugs are shipped through their services? Does Google get shutdown because it is used for infringing purposes? Everyone knows what is going on, but we understand that that is not an excuse to destroy the entire operation and punish the legitimate users and usages of such services.
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Obviously you do not know the provisions of DCMA. When google/youtube does a DCMA take-down, they completely remove the offending content. MegaUploads just deletes the link to the content. Furthermore, google/youtube management wasn't caught (and their e-mails and internal messaging was vetted) bragging about how said offending content was the primary revenue for their site.
 
dexvx said:
Except the Feds claim to have e-mails and internal company logs that indicate that the employees of MegaUploads knew exactly where the pirated content was. They claim that MegaUploads had an analytics system so they knew exactly what people were downloading and which files were being downloaded. The Feds also claim they also have logs of employees using those same analytics to reward uploaders based on the content they uploaded.

And most importantly, the indictment claimed that MegaUploads never deleted copyrighted content when a DCMA was issued. They merely deleted the external link.



Obviously you do not know the provisions of DCMA. When google/youtube does a DCMA take-down, they completely remove the offending content. MegaUploads just deletes the link to the content. Furthermore, google/youtube management wasn't caught (and their e-mails and internal messaging was vetted) bragging about how said offending content was the primary revenue for their site.
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The Feds must have been smoking all their confiscated weed then, because even Google doesn't have the computer or man-power to track those kinds of stats (without bogging the entire system down to an unusable state, that is). A company with a few dozen employees will never be able to keep up with the uploading habits of millions of individuals, it just isn't possible.

I already explained the reason why MegaUpload does not delete the files. They check to see if a file identical to the uploaded one already exists on the system (simple md5 check), if it does, they point the link to that file rather than wasting space by keeping duplicates on their servers. There is nothing illegal about uploading copyrighted material to MegaUpload, since there is no way to search for it. Plenty of people have music and videos on there for personal use only, which is fine. It only becomes illegal when you share your links with thousands of other people. This is not MegaUpload's problem. Deleting the files would punish legitimate users for no reason.

How is that any different from having multiple copies of the same file, and the DMCA takedown only applying to one copy (like you see on youtube)? Same end result.
 
demografik said:
shutting down a file sharing service because people use it to pirate media is equivalent to outlawing cars because people speed - nonsensical. if you want to take legal action, subpoena them for information on the copyright violators and go after the people who are (arguably) breaking the law.
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It's really not like that at all, the analogy bears almost no similarity. Cars are heavily regulated and drivers require a lisence provided by a governing body and will fine you for being caught doing the wrong thing. If all users of megaupload were monitored and regulated in the same way, they probably wouldn't have gotten shut down. ;)
 
wizdum said:
The Feds must have been smoking all their confiscated weed then, because even Google doesn't have the computer or man-power to track those kinds of stats (without bogging the entire system down to an unusable state, that is). A company with a few dozen employees will never be able to keep up with the uploading habits of millions of individuals, it just isn't possible.
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From a purely technical angle, google does have the ability to track those kinds of things. However, from a privacy point of view, they would raise up a sh1tst0rm if they did. In fact, google's anonymous parsing of gmail messages (for the purposes of advertisement) is one of those well maligned things. From a structural view, given that MegaUploads uses an account based access, it's well within the realm of possibility.

Regardless, I'm following the case because it piques my interest. If those allegations are true and if those internal MegaUpload records are all the Fed hypes up to be (or even HALF that), then the owners are in deep sh1t.

wizdum said:
I already explained the reason why MegaUpload does not delete the files. They check to see if a file identical to the uploaded one already exists on the system (simple md5 check), if it does, they point the link to that file rather than wasting space by keeping duplicates on their servers. There is nothing illegal about uploading copyrighted material to MegaUpload, since there is no way to search for it. Plenty of people have music and videos on there for personal use only, which is fine. It only becomes illegal when you share your links with thousands of other people. This is not MegaUpload's problem. Deleting the files would punish legitimate users for no reason.

How is that any different from having multiple copies of the same file, and the DMCA takedown only applying to one copy (like you see on youtube)? Same end result.
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If there are 5 copies of copyrighted content, then (to my understanding), there should be 5 separate takedown notices. However, each and every takedown notice would result in the file getting deleted (ala Youtube style). The Feds were claiming that when there is a DMCA takedown request, nothing gets deleted. And because DMCA is not being acted on, then the owners are liable.
 
dexvx said:
From a purely technical angle, google does have the ability to track those kinds of things. However, from a privacy point of view, they would raise up a sh1tst0rm if they did. In fact, google's anonymous parsing of gmail messages (for the purposes of advertisement) is one of those well maligned things. From a structural view, given that MegaUploads uses an account based access, it's well within the realm of possibility.

Regardless, I'm following the case because it piques my interest. If those allegations are true and if those internal MegaUpload records are all the Fed hypes up to be (or even HALF that), then the owners are in deep sh1t.



If there are 5 copies of copyrighted content, then (to my understanding), there should be 5 separate takedown notices. However, each and every takedown notice would result in the file getting deleted (ala Youtube style). The Feds were claiming that when there is a DMCA takedown request, nothing gets deleted. And because DMCA is not being acted on, then the owners are liable.
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Getting a computer to parse text is easy, getting one to parse video, applications, music, and compressed files is infinitely more difficult.

You don't seem to understand how MegaUpload worked. Say 5 people upload a copyrighted MP3, 4 of them uploaded it as part of a backup of their laptop/phone/whatever, while one person uploaded it and posted the link on PiratedLinks.net or something. MegaUpload only has 1 copy of that MP3, with 5 separate links to it. When MegaUpload receives a DMCA takedown notice, they delete the link that was posted on PiratedLinks.net, so it is no longer accessible to them. With that link gone the only people that can download the file are the other 4 people that have legitimate uses for it. It is effectively "removed".

If MegaUpload just deleted the file, other users would find their legitimate content randomly deleted with no explanation.
 
dexvx said:
Except the Feds claim to have e-mails and internal company logs that indicate that the employees of MegaUploads knew exactly where the pirated content was. They claim that MegaUploads had an analytics system so they knew exactly what people were downloading and which files were being downloaded. The Feds also claim they also have logs of employees using those same analytics to reward uploaders based on the content they uploaded..
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And? What a couple employees do is irrelevant when it comes to destroying an entire business and arresting its upper management. Otherwise literally every business in America would vanish if they were subject to such vengeance every time they upset the wrong money holders. "Analytic system" is not whatever complicated thing you think it is. It just means a script counted tallies, which could have been an employee's personal pet project for all we know.



dexvx said:
And most importantly, the indictment claimed that MegaUploads never deleted copyrighted content when a DCMA was issued. They merely deleted the external link.

Obviously you do not know the provisions of DCMA. When google/youtube does a DCMA take-down, they completely remove the offending content. MegaUploads just deletes the link to the content. Furthermore, google/youtube management wasn't caught (and their e-mails and internal messaging was vetted) bragging about how said offending content was the primary revenue for their site.
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They do this because multiple links point to the same file if there is more than one upload of the same file. Megaupload cannot know whether or not every single instance of the upload is infringing or not, so it cannot delete every "copy" of the upload by deleting the whole thing. Some of those uploaders may have had a fir use right to have a file up for personal use, hence why they deleted the publicly known and reported infringing links and not just blankly delete every instance of the file being uploaded, which would violate the rights of its users.

The fact of the matter is, they respected the rights of their customers instead of trampling on them to please the media corporations. You seem to think this means they are evil, I say a rational person would say that they acted reasonably. It is up to the media corporations to search out links and file takedown notices at their own expense, it is not the job of websites and it's users to do it for them.



dexvx said:
If there are 5 copies of copyrighted content, then (to my understanding), there should be 5 separate takedown notices. However, each and every takedown notice would result in the file getting deleted (ala Youtube style). The Feds were claiming that when there is a DMCA takedown request, nothing gets deleted. And because DMCA is not being acted on, then the owners are liable.
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That is because the file was technically deleted when it was uploaded. I wish people would understand this and stop trying to misunderstand how things work in a virtual world.

The link being deleted is the file being deleted, because all the uploads are basically "merged".

By deleting the main file, they would be deleting every "copy" of the legitimate uploads and unknown status uploads along with it, meaning the uploads and their lnks that were never even made public.
 
I generally despise any type of terrorism, including cyber terrorism. But I cannot say that I am completely at odds with Anonymous. I'm on the fence with this one.
 
stealthy123 said:
disagree, mcdonalds is in business to sell hamburgers, so long as I buy a hamburger and I don't flaunt my illegal activities in such a way it negatively impacts your business, it's none of mcdonalds worry.

Asking citizens to police one another is scary shit, at least it is to me, that the government expects mcdonalds to stop people from selling drugs in their restrooms is a leap, and I am not comfortable with it.

I rent out a property I own, or well I did before I gave it to my aunt, but whatever, the last guy that rented the place had a little meth lab in the bathroom. Now, by the government's logic I am responsible for his being a trash ball. I should periodically enter and search his house and if I don't do that, I am breaking the law. My position is, that guy does what he wants and he just so happens to rent my property. What he does or did with it was his fault, not my own. I provided a service that he took advantage of, I didn't have a responsibility to break up his shit, I didn't even know about it.

sorry I got off on a tangent, decided to post it anyways, some of it may be relevant.
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If the guy was paying part of his rent in Meth, then yeah, the DEA is going to nail your ass too. That is what megaupload was doing, they were gaining materially from the illegal activity they were hosting.

And I really do wonder, whats it going to take before "The Man" gets annoyed enough to go after Anon for keeps instead of what we have been seeing....
 
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