Antec ISK 110 gaming build!

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XenatR

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Hi all, I've got the small form factor bug, and want to start another SFF project.

The parts I'm considering are:


Antec ISK110 MiniITX
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-002-AN&groupid=2362&catid=160&subcat=


Streacom ST-150WP REV. B HTPC PSU AC Adapter
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-018-SR&groupid=2362&catid=2382&subcat=


AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-327-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1946


ASRock FM2A75M-ITX AMD A75 Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 Mini ITX Motherboard
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-102-AK&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2399


Avexir Core Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-21000C11 2666MHz Dual Channel Kit
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-003-AR&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1387



I am looking for this to be a 720p medium settings gaming build, as well as an htpc.

The memory i have chosen is the fastest i could find. we all know integrated graphics need fast memory, so this should hopefully give me the best gains? it will also hopefully be compatible with the minitc fm2 motherboard ive chosen, as it lists 2600+ memory as an option.

The pico power solution i am sure i will need, as an overclocked A10 will surely require more power than the standard 90w brick the ISK 110 comes with?


What do you guys think? I will be playing mainly BF3 with it, and if it plays well, i might stick with this as my main pc, till future games require much more power.

What kind of ultra slim, ultra efficient cooler would complement this case, cooling an overclocked A10?


Thanks for stopping by and your anticipated input!!!

Regards
 
That processor isn't going to do very well with 64 man servers on BF3. If you aren't going to play on these servers, it's passable.

It would cost more and you can't use the ISK110, but you'd be better off with an i5 quad core and a low end graphics card (6670, 5770/6770, 7750, 450, 550, 640, etc).

If you go ahead with the A10 build, I wouldn't bother with ram faster than 2133MHz.
 
rolling_tiger said:
That processor isn't going to do very well with 64 man servers on BF3. If you aren't going to play on these servers, it's passable.

It would cost more and you can't use the ISK110, but you'd be better off with an i5 quad core and a low end graphics card (6670, 5770/6770, 7750, 450, 550, 640, etc).

If you go ahead with the A10 build, I wouldn't bother with ram faster than 2133MHz.
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SithSolo1 said:
It should work in 720p low in single player. I don't know about at medium and in multiplayer.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/amd-trinity-a10-5800k-a8-5600k-review-part-1/4

The Scythe Kozuti should fit the case but I don't know about the board: http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/117/ScytheUSA-Productkozuticpucooler.html

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=64799
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hi guys, well i watched this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijRbNnSuqxc

and you can see the guy's fps in multiplayer, in his description.. and that is using only 1333mhz memory!

surely 30fps average is achievable at low/med 720p, even on 64player multi?
 
If the Zalman fits it should work. Note though that the case is 79mm wide and the Zalman is 60mm. The scythe on the other hand is 40mm according to the specs.
 
hmm interesting, i had intention of going similar routes with the A10 5700 instead and stock PSU
 
XenatR said:
hi guys, well i watched this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijRbNnSuqxc

and you can see the guy's fps in multiplayer, in his description.. and that is using only 1333mhz memory!

surely 30fps average is achievable at low/med 720p, even on 64player multi?
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It's a Youtube video which means it shouldn't really be relied upon that much. Several problems with that video:
1) He doesn't meniton if he's actually playing a 32 or 64player game
2) He doesn't mention how exactly he's measuring the FPS
3) He doesn't mention his methodology for recording said FPS.
4) He said "it beats the i7 2600K in performance". He doesn't provide any info backing that statement or in what context. In addition, any intelligent PC enthusiast knows that the i7 2600K beats ANY AMD APU or CPU when it comes to games.
5) No mention of driver versions
6) Doesn't denote whether or not the FPS was with or without the recording software running.

So in other words, I really wouldn't rely on Youtube videos in the future for PC hardware performance. They don't give the full information. Read actual hardware reviews when possible

With that said, if you're happy with whatever performance you'll get from that system and you absolutely 100% need the PC to be that small, more power to ya. Just don't use Youtube as a major source for hardware reviews
 
Danny Bui said:
4) He said "it beats the i7 2600K in performance". He doesn't provide any info backing that statement or in what context. In addition, any intelligent PC enthusiast knows that the i7 2600K beats ANY AMD APU or CPU when it comes to games.
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Depends on context, I actually disagree that an i7 2600k will beat an AMD APU in games. The APU would soundly trash the i7 if you are comparing purely the APU vs i7 with no external graphics.

XenatR said:
Streacom ST-150WP REV. B HTPC PSU AC Adapter
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-018-SR&groupid=2362&catid=2382&subcat=
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I'd assum that you have yet to build the system as judging from the physical dimensions of the PSU being 48mm tall you might have issues fitting the PSU in the case.

I cant remember the CPU cooler height limitations of the ISK110 assuming it is the same for the PSU height as well but I have a ISK100 and its limit is 40mm

I'd love pictures if you managed to build this rig as I'm after a similar system and currently deciding if I want to just upgrade the CPU to an i3 3225 or replace it all with an FM2 platform
 
Danny Bui said:
It's a Youtube video which means it shouldn't really be relied upon that much. ***snip***
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I'm not saying you are wrong but if you watch the video, it doesn't look that bad and it seems to be fairly smooth.


akromatic said:
I'd assum that you have yet to build the system as judging from the physical dimensions of the PSU being 48mm tall you might have issues fitting the PSU in the case.

I cant remember the CPU cooler height limitations of the ISK110 assuming it is the same for the PSU height as well but I have a ISK100 and its limit is 40mm
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Umm, you don't put the power brick inside the case, that defeats the whole point. Only the cables go inside the case: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CA-018-SR_58867_600.jpg
 
akromatic said:
Depends on context, I actually disagree that an i7 2600k will beat an AMD APU in games. The APU would soundly trash the i7 if you are comparing purely the APU vs i7 with no external graphics.
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That was my point about the youtuber's statement: In what context does the APU beat the i7 2600K? He doesn't say. We all know that that in terms of CPU power, the i7 2600K will absolutely dominate any AMD APU or CPU. But if we're talking about onboard graphics, you are indeed correct that the APU wins there. However that youtuber doesn't indicate the context.

SithSolo1 said:
I'm not saying you are wrong but if you watch the video, it doesn't look that bad and it seems to be fairly smooth.
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We definitely have different definitions of "smooth" then.
 
SithSolo1 said:
Umm, you don't put the power brick inside the case, that defeats the whole point. Only the cables go inside the case: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CA-018-SR_58867_600.jpg
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You misunderstood me, the pico PSU has a little PCB sticking out of the 20/24pin ATX plug that itself might be a tad too tall

I've never mentioned stuffing the external brick in there as that would be silly. Like i said I have a ISK100 which is slightly thinner then the ISK110 and I'd like to go about on a similar venture to have a gaming ISK
 
akromatic said:
You misunderstood me, the pico PSU has a little PCB sticking out of the 20/24pin ATX plug that itself might be a tad too tall

I've never mentioned stuffing the external brick in there as that would be silly. Like i said I have a ISK100 which is slightly thinner then the ISK110 and I'd like to go about on a similar venture to have a gaming ISK
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The external brick is the only thing that is 48mm high. Adapter Dimensions: 171 x 87 x 48mm (LxWxH), 171mm would be over 6 inches so no way thats not the power brick. The internal 24pin connector w/ PCB should be right around 30mm if its anything like the other PicoPSUs on the market as they are designed to fit 1U cases.
 
SithSolo1 said:
The external brick is the only thing that is 48mm high. Adapter Dimensions: 171 x 87 x 48mm (LxWxH), 171mm would be over 6 inches so no way thats not the power brick. The internal 24pin connector w/ PCB should be right around 30mm if its anything like the other PicoPSUs on the market as they are designed to fit 1U cases.
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I guess I miss read the dimension, my only real concern is the internal DC-DC unit and if I can mount the power plug to the case as original

Down where I live these pico PSU cost about 40% more then just the case itself with its included PSU

If possible I'd like to know if a A10 5700 would work within the limits of the stock PSU when running at full load gaming
 
SithSolo1 said:
A10-5700 has a TDP of 65w according to http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-5700.html

If your original PSU is a higher wattage than that it should be ok.
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CPU TDP is 65W but that doesnt take account of the GPU side of it.

the A10 5800k with a TDP of 100w will draw around 110w of CPU load and abit of GPU and upwards of 150w under full stress of both GPU and CPU


my stock PSU on the unit is a 80W (ISK110 is 90W) and there has been attemps of installing a A6 3500 into it and under full load it draws around 90-110W

non burn condition might drop around 10w or so though but worried none the less

hmm another thing that came to my attention is the cooling, stock cooler wont fit in the case
 
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is it possibly to overclock the 5700 onboard graphics? or is that only possibly on the 5800k?

the lower tdp is nice, and would mean i wouldnt have to spend more money on the cpu and power supply
 
bump :) any updates on a mini itx fm2? The asrock listed on overclockers.co.uk has been on 'pre-order' for a long time now
 
akromatic said:
I guess I miss read the dimension, my only real concern is the internal DC-DC unit and if I can mount the power plug to the case as original
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This would depend on which external power brick you use. For the A10, you'd probably want the 160W. This adapter ditches the 2-pole for a 4-pole, which makes mounding complicated. The stock power socket mount point in the ISK case is designed for the 2-pole. You'd need to either bore the hole out for the larger connector or relocate it to where the actual ATX power connection would have gone. I have the ISK that came with a non-pico 150W, but took that out in favor of the slightly more powerful and efficient pico version.

XenatR said:
What kind of ultra slim, ultra efficient cooler would complement this case, cooling an overclocked A10?
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akromatic said:
I'd assum that you have yet to build the system as judging from the physical dimensions of the PSU being 48mm tall you might have issues fitting the PSU in the case.

I cant remember the CPU cooler height limitations of the ISK110 assuming it is the same for the PSU height as well but I have a ISK100 and its limit is 40mm
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Not really sure about the height, but I do know that a Scythe Big Shuriken will fit stock. I've run mine without the drive cage and a Gentle Typhoon, with great results (at the cost of the ability to put in an optical drive. All things considered, I don't know how the Shuriken would do with an OC'd A10, as I haven't messed with the Trinity chips yet. I'm planning to do a similar build in a few months myself, so I'll be watching this thread!
 
EndersShadow said:
Its listed on newegg's site as of right now

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157340
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unfortunately the egg doesnt ship to my side of the world

redivulpis said:
Not really sure about the height, but I do know that a Scythe Big Shuriken will fit stock. I've run mine without the drive cage and a Gentle Typhoon, with great results (at the cost of the ability to put in an optical drive. All things considered, I don't know how the Shuriken would do with an OC'd A10, as I haven't messed with the Trinity chips yet. I'm planning to do a similar build in a few months myself, so I'll be watching this thread!
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http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=114659&page=12

it wont fit in the case due to height
 
kinda digging this thread up. What do we have to do to get the ISK 110 to power either the 5700 or 5800k? I really like the size of the case and would rather put everything into it then getting a antec isk 300 because i would just do intel + lp graphics card then.
 
mayhem87 said:
kinda digging this thread up. What do we have to do to get the ISK 110 to power either the 5700 or 5800k? I really like the size of the case and would rather put everything into it then getting a antec isk 300 because i would just do intel + lp graphics card then.
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I think you will need a larger 'pico' power supply. i listed it in my initial post, but apparently they also come in 160watt versions too

still waiting for that bloody mini itx board :/
 
Yes that will work but you may have to mod the case slightly to fit the 4-pin din connector. Your other big road block is cooling. Most low profile coolers will probably struggle with a 5800k. 5700 should work ok though.
 
mayhem87 said:
kinda digging this thread up. What do we have to do to get the ISK 110 to power either the 5700 or 5800k?
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XenatR said:
I think you will need a larger 'pico' power supply. i listed it in my initial post, but apparently they also come in 160watt versions too

still waiting for that bloody mini itx board :/
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the stock PSU of my ISK 110 doesn't break a sweat with Blacklight: Retribution running nonstop on my A6-3500 for hours

temps rarely get above 45º C even in mid-summer

the 5700 has the same TDP -- it won't be an issue
 
hmm im still abit worried though

i've heard about quite a few A6-3500 isk builds that are quite successful but im abit worried about my isk100

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1312-page1.html

the A10 5700 will pull upwards of 100w according to most review sites which is more then the ISK110 is capable of

but you are right about the A6 and A10 having similar power consumption
 
i just bought a A10 5800k and the asrock FM2 itx board.

I'm still on the stock 80w PSU of my ISK100, i have to use another PSU to severely underclock and undervolt to get it booting with the stock PSU. I've yet to try to boost back my clocks and volts to see how much the PSU will take.

Initial boot voltage at stock volts and clocks draws around 160w and right now i kinda over dropped it to around 60w. 3d mark vantage runs will draw around 80-100w. currently running 2.6ghz normal and 3.4ghz turbo @ 1v

I'm currently using a modified ISK100 with the stock 90mm fan removed and replaced with a slim 120mm and the zigmatek preaton is perfect with all the clearance
 
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