brucedeluxe169
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i had to chuckle at your post....
because we all know that guy's (most likely flawed) experience is the be all and end all....
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I have laptop with 1Gb RAM & Turion64 duel core 1.6Ghz running vista premium no probs
I fully agree with both Oscar and JH
Most people who put down vista either haven't used it or are trying to use old hardware with it
I am suprised that nobody is suggesting linux as an alternative
I say go for it just make sure you get a duel core processor as that is what vista is designed for
I have Vista on a 1G machine AMD Turion 64x2 processor. From pressing the on button to being on line is approximately 60 seconds. Running Vista Home Premium. It is not slow on this machine. I love my laptop and Vista. Why does everyone think is slow? I just don't know. I have had no problems whatsoever, maybe they are discussing the professional package. I promise you Home Vista Premium is fine as long as you have no tailor made software that is only supported by XP..
1 year ago
As for WinMin, I remember reading about that about 6 months after Vista launched. It was 25MB worth of kernel code that they were building 7 on top of. I don't remember him ever saying that they were shipping a stand alone, tiny OS with it. It was just rewrote to help make Windows more efficient.
MinWin is the beginnings of them re-organzing the windows architecture. Their taking the interdependent mess that windows has become and analyzing, reworking, and compartmentalizing systems. The MinWin kernel was the first step in that, they isolated the very core operations of the kernel that are necessary for minimal windows functions. Apparently these optimizations are present in Win7. They are now working on taking the next level of that and building on top of it. This is can lead to much more compartmentalized systems, better optimization, and much less quirky interdependency that Windows is notorious for. Far down the road this hopefully can allow windows the type of full control and end user customization we see in systems like Linux.
It's not going to make any kind of difference to the user, it's for internal testing only. Watch the video, bonsai. I even gave you the time index where they state this.
i had to chuckle at your post....
because we all know that guy's (most likely flawed) experience is the be all and end all....
brucedeluxe169 said:full disclosure, part of my vista tweaking to get it running so damn well on 1gb of ram usually involves quite a bit of vliting...
And as he states later in the video they're working on the next steps to continue those optimization. That's going to lead to a better, more compartmentalized, more customizable Windows down the road. Which was pertinent to the conversation earlier about how flexible Linux is compared to Windows.
So yours is?
Oh, okay so now I understand, only if you know what you're doing, you do some vliting, some tweaks and some optimizations, and you are selective in what you actually run on the machine, then 1 gb is all Vista needs. That sounds exactly like the standard we should be judging against.
Please... you people are delusional.
That's going to lead to a better, more compartmentalized, more customizable Windows down the road.
I call bullshit. I've had a desktop machine running fine on Vista with 1GB of RAM for over a year now, and I've been using the W7 Beta for a week now on a machine with 1GB of RAM for a full workload (development/office/web browsing) with no issues.Like I said before Win7 has the improved memory management. It will appear to be faster in certain cases. If you are going to buy a new PC, wait for 7. If you have Vista, save your money and get more RAM. If you are still running an older system and you want to utilize it, start migrating to LINUX. If your older system has less than 2gigs, it isn't worth it.
I call bullshit. I've had a desktop machine running fine on Vista with 1GB of RAM for over a year now, and I've been using the W7 Beta for a week now on a machine with 1GB of RAM for a full workload (development/office/web browsing) with no issues.
Oh yes, I forget, Vista runs great on 1gb of RAM. Please, keep fanboying.
I call bullshit. I've had a desktop machine running fine on Vista with 1GB of RAM for over a year now, and I've been using the W7 Beta for a week now on a machine with 1GB of RAM for a full workload (development/office/web browsing) with no issues.
Oh, okay so now I understand, only if you know what you're doing, you do some vliting, some tweaks and some optimizations, and you are selective in what you actually run on the machine, then 1 gb is all Vista needs. That sounds exactly like the standard we should be judging against.
Please... you people are delusional.
Win7 would completely rail the cpu utilization to 100% as soon as the video started playing and was never lower than 100%, video would play for sec. stop for 2 sec, play for another sec., you get the idea.
So while Win7 will technically work on older systems and looks fantastic working in Word or browsing with IE8, the cpu requirements are much higher than XP or even Vista when video is introduced.
Win7 would completely rail the cpu utilization to 100% as soon as the video started playing and was never lower than 100%, video would play for sec. stop for 2 sec, play for another sec., you get the idea.
So while Win7 will technically work on older systems and looks fantastic working in Word or browsing with IE8, the cpu requirements are much higher than XP or even Vista when video is introduced.
Plus, with his hardware, hes not going to get hardware acceleration. Sounds like hes isn't using the same decoder or isn't playing the same file.
No issues at all. Sounds great.
MinWin is the beginnings of them re-organzing the windows architecture. Their taking the interdependent mess that windows has become and analyzing, reworking, and compartmentalizing systems. The MinWin kernel was the first step in that, they isolated the very core operations of the kernel that are necessary for minimal windows functions. Apparently these optimizations are present in Win7. They are now working on taking the next level of that and building on top of it. This is can lead to much more compartmentalized systems, better optimization, and much less quirky interdependency that Windows is notorious for. Far down the road this hopefully can allow windows the type of full control and end user customization we see in systems like Linux.
that issue was solved a while ago with hotfixes which became part of SP1.You can't argue with the facts.
I'm kind of curious to see if 7 fixes the gpu memory issues you see with Vista. You know that thing where games slowly start performing worse, then you reload them and they are fine again for a while? Crysis and Fallout 3 are bad at this.
At Tom's theres an article using quad core systems that show xp faster but says it will change with 8 or more cores. Of corse I'm sure theres more polish on games for the newer OS which should just reason since almost all new systems will come with the new OS installed.
XP is so bloated though. Windows 98 runs much faster on the same machine!
qftActually, it does. Otherwise, even MS-DOS would be bloated, the only reason MS-DOS is not bloated is because the price of ram dropped from the days when 640KB of memory cost thousands of dollars or more. That is the nature of computers, cpu's get more powerful, ram gets cheaper and software adapts to put it all to use. 512MBs of Ram cost like $100 - $200 when XP was released, now you can buy 8GBs for less than $100, and Vista runs much better on 8GBs of ram than XP runs on 512MB, so relatively speaking, Vista is LESS bloated. The computer market is a complex thing, you can't always just add up the numbers without a deeper understanding of what's going on.