Tmoneythegreat
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After seeing Conroe benchmarks and being due for a PC upgrade I thought it was time to build a new system. Although I've never posted on this forum, I use it for information from time to time and like many people here I have been building systems since 486 dx 33v days. Over the years I have learned the hard way the importance of quality ram and knew whatever I do, I shouldn't try to cut corners on the ram.
So I order my Conroe CPU, a 775 motherboard, and some Corsair TWIN2X1024-6400C4 4-4-4-12 ram and re-use my nvidia 8800. I originally wanted 2 Gigs of ram and there was a decent amount to choose from for low prices like 200 bucks but I knew if I went with cheap ram I'd be hurting later. I see the $152 for one gig Corsair 4-4-4-12 and just know that I can count on this ram to not only be fast but rock stable as well since Corsair is supposed to be to ram as Lexus or BMW is to cars.
After getting my system set up with the ram at 800mhz @ 4-4-4-12, I notice I'm getting some popping and slight freezing with this e6600 core2duo and geforce 8800 that I didn't have before with a athlon 3500+ and geforce 8800 & OCZ ram plus a few hard locks while gaming. I start to think to myself, what could be the problem? Are core2's really not that good? Did my non-overclocked graphics card thats 1 month old start to die on me? It surely can't be the ram, I did buy quality Corsair ram and read review after review of hardware sites being sent samples of the exact ram I bought and running it at 1000-1100mhz and I was only running it at 800mhz.
After doing over multiple days of solid investigation low and behold I find out IT'S THE RAM. I test some friends Crucial Ballistix pc6400 and it works fine. But thats when I start to become angry, I've spent days trying to figure out whats wrong with my system only to find out instead of paying $152 for premium quality ram, I have been sold made in mexico ram thats running so close to maximum tolerance you can breath on it wrong and cause system instability.
This is where in my eyes the fraud comes in. When a car company gets it's automobiles reviewed for safety, they don't specially pick out a car with twenty airbags and make sure it gets into the hands of Consumer reports then sells you one with zero. I think that would be considered fraud and many lawsuits would be filed.
Do memory companies think it's ok to make sure the best Micron memory chips they can find get into the hands of all hardware review sites then sell you a completely different product using the same model name and price? That is not "bait and switch", it is straight up fraud. Why would I pay $152 for one gig of unstable ram thats running far too close to max tolerance when I can pay $202 dollars for two gigs of unstable ram from many other vendors?
I've read Corsair's response on this forum (today) and don't believe it to be sufficient at all:
"Corsair will replace your 6400C4Ds with 8500C5Ds, which are Micron based, for the difference in price. To take advantage of this offer, please write me an email with the subject line 6400C4D and include a copy of your receipt. NOTE: This offer is only valid for people with receipts dated November 28th, 2006 or earlier."
I fail to see how a date of November 28 has any significance on the issue whatsoever. Considering the sheer amount of time it's taken me to diagnose this problem and the fact that it seems Corsair has purposely mislead the consumer in the first place I would refuse to pay any price difference for the item I was purposely mislead into thinking I would receive. Theres a pretty large difference in memory with a tolerance up to 800-1200 mhz and memory that doesn't even meet it's rated tolerance.
BMW does not sell cars with KIA engines and even if they did you would still be getting 75% decent quality parts for the rest of the car. When the sole component of your item for sale is memory, you can't metaphorically swap out the entire car and act like nobody will notice.
So this is my ultimatum for Corsair, you either give me the product I was mislead into buying or I will go out of my way to prevent people from buying Corsair products again.
- David Muller
So I order my Conroe CPU, a 775 motherboard, and some Corsair TWIN2X1024-6400C4 4-4-4-12 ram and re-use my nvidia 8800. I originally wanted 2 Gigs of ram and there was a decent amount to choose from for low prices like 200 bucks but I knew if I went with cheap ram I'd be hurting later. I see the $152 for one gig Corsair 4-4-4-12 and just know that I can count on this ram to not only be fast but rock stable as well since Corsair is supposed to be to ram as Lexus or BMW is to cars.
After getting my system set up with the ram at 800mhz @ 4-4-4-12, I notice I'm getting some popping and slight freezing with this e6600 core2duo and geforce 8800 that I didn't have before with a athlon 3500+ and geforce 8800 & OCZ ram plus a few hard locks while gaming. I start to think to myself, what could be the problem? Are core2's really not that good? Did my non-overclocked graphics card thats 1 month old start to die on me? It surely can't be the ram, I did buy quality Corsair ram and read review after review of hardware sites being sent samples of the exact ram I bought and running it at 1000-1100mhz and I was only running it at 800mhz.
After doing over multiple days of solid investigation low and behold I find out IT'S THE RAM. I test some friends Crucial Ballistix pc6400 and it works fine. But thats when I start to become angry, I've spent days trying to figure out whats wrong with my system only to find out instead of paying $152 for premium quality ram, I have been sold made in mexico ram thats running so close to maximum tolerance you can breath on it wrong and cause system instability.
This is where in my eyes the fraud comes in. When a car company gets it's automobiles reviewed for safety, they don't specially pick out a car with twenty airbags and make sure it gets into the hands of Consumer reports then sells you one with zero. I think that would be considered fraud and many lawsuits would be filed.
Do memory companies think it's ok to make sure the best Micron memory chips they can find get into the hands of all hardware review sites then sell you a completely different product using the same model name and price? That is not "bait and switch", it is straight up fraud. Why would I pay $152 for one gig of unstable ram thats running far too close to max tolerance when I can pay $202 dollars for two gigs of unstable ram from many other vendors?
I've read Corsair's response on this forum (today) and don't believe it to be sufficient at all:
"Corsair will replace your 6400C4Ds with 8500C5Ds, which are Micron based, for the difference in price. To take advantage of this offer, please write me an email with the subject line 6400C4D and include a copy of your receipt. NOTE: This offer is only valid for people with receipts dated November 28th, 2006 or earlier."
I fail to see how a date of November 28 has any significance on the issue whatsoever. Considering the sheer amount of time it's taken me to diagnose this problem and the fact that it seems Corsair has purposely mislead the consumer in the first place I would refuse to pay any price difference for the item I was purposely mislead into thinking I would receive. Theres a pretty large difference in memory with a tolerance up to 800-1200 mhz and memory that doesn't even meet it's rated tolerance.
BMW does not sell cars with KIA engines and even if they did you would still be getting 75% decent quality parts for the rest of the car. When the sole component of your item for sale is memory, you can't metaphorically swap out the entire car and act like nobody will notice.
So this is my ultimatum for Corsair, you either give me the product I was mislead into buying or I will go out of my way to prevent people from buying Corsair products again.
- David Muller