Foxconn Is Installing Safety Nets on Buildings?

What is happening to natural selection and survival of the fittest?

This is ridiculous...
 
Nemesis999 said:
You're missing the point.

The suicide rate at the Foxconn factory is no higher then the average suicide rate around the world. Somewhere between 500,000 and 750,000 people kill themselves every year, aside from the attention-whoring media there really isn't a story here.
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zzzzzzzzzzzz. How about a new line of reasoning? Already dealt with this pseudo-logic in previous threads. Gets boring when all you're doing is copying from the past.

But then again, you probably heard this logic from the "attention-whoring media". Mind you, the kind only you know about, not the general populace. That's what makes you special, right?
 
Dreaz said:
zzzzzzzzzzzz. How about a new line of reasoning? Already dealt with this pseudo-logic in previous threads. Gets boring when all you're doing is copying from the past.
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Why do we need a new line of reasoning when this one is correct? :rolleyes: You can tell yourself whatever you want, doesn't change the facts.
 
Exavior said:
Not this again. :p

You can't compare the population inside of one area to the population of the entire world or entire country. That is comparing apples and oranges. When you look at the entire world or entire country you are going to have many more types of people. Looking online real quick i found a site that claims about .4% of the world population dies every year from starvation. So by your logic, 4 out of every 1000 rich people should die a year from stravation. If 0 die due to not being able to afford food that means that we have solved world hunger. When looking at the entire world or entire coutry you are going to have more problem people than you will in a small group like this. They have their own city, everyone there should have a job otherwise they wouldn't be there. So you don't have people killing themselves due to lack of job. The quality of life should be better than those living out in the middle of no where, etc... If these things aren't true then it is up to this company to fix that. If they aren't payig their employees enough for them to make a living they should pay them more, if they provide them with horrible quality of living they need to fix that.... These people should be better off than others outside of these factories, so they shouldn't be as likely to kill themselves as those outside of the factories. If that isn't the case then something needs to be resolved then. You can't expect them to fix the entire world or entire country, but when they hold every aspect of their employee's life in their hand you can expect them to solve the problems there at their own factories.
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Nice theory. Except 1 problem. Starvation is a direct result of financial position. Suicide is not. Rich people commit suicide. Poor people commit suicide. Young people commit suicide. Old people commit suicide. Mental or physical health issues, drug problems, and relationship trouble are the major causes of suicide, especially among young people. Suicide is very rarely financially related unless following an extreme financial loss (which isn't happening in this case). Your attempt to bastardize statistics doesn't change this.
 
Nemesis999 said:
Nice theory. Except 1 problem. Starvation is a direct result of financial position. Suicide is not. Rich people commit suicide. Poor people commit suicide. Young people commit suicide. Old people commit suicide. Mental or physical health issues, drug problems, and relationship trouble are the major causes of suicide, especially among young people. Suicide is very rarely financially related unless following an extreme financial loss (which isn't happening in this case). Your attempt to bastardize statistics doesn't change this.
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My point was that you can't look at a statistic for something that effects the entire world or country and expect it to correctly fit a small group which would not correctly contain a mix of the type of people of the whole. Ok, lets change my example there. If the sucide rate in the world is lets X% are you saying that X% of kids at every school should kill themselves? If 1 person a week killed themselve at some school would you say nobody should bother to see why? Looking here at foxconn, if their employee's all have mental health issues they need to take care of that, if there is a rampid drug problem insided their company they need to take care of that. The first one that hit the news was due to torture which is considered wrong in some places and is something that they caused and could prevent. If they are beating and torturing all of their employees to the point that they feel they have to kill themselve a decent percentage of the world would think that is wrong.
 
Employees are going to jump off the building for fun now. This is just practice.
 
Exavior said:
My point was that you can't look at a statistic for something that effects the entire world or country and expect it to correctly fit a small group which would not correctly contain a mix of the type of people of the whole. Ok, lets change my example there. If the sucide rate in the world is lets X% are you saying that X% of kids at every school should kill themselves? If 1 person a week killed themselve at some school would you say nobody should bother to see why? Looking here at foxconn, if their employee's all have mental health issues they need to take care of that, if there is a rampid drug problem insided their company they need to take care of that. The first one that hit the news was due to torture which is considered wrong in some places and is something that they caused and could prevent. If they are beating and torturing all of their employees to the point that they feel they have to kill themselve a decent percentage of the world would think that is wrong.
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You're still missing the point though. What grouping of people could 800,000 factory workers WOULDN'T expect to have a similar rate?

Factory workers 18-25? Definitely will find suicide there. No-collar labourers? Suicide is normal there too. East Asians? Well, they have lots of suicide too.

With the "Starving rich people" example you are taking a very narrow group of people who are defined as having a sharp anti-starvation factor (wealth). There is no such grouping that could possibly cover all of Foxconn. The group of people is statistically "large". If you were talking perhaps "Foxconn workers who have not consumed excessive drugs or alcohol, passed psychiatric exams, have just received a raise, and are in happy new relationships" and you still had a suicide rate comparable to the rest of the country then I might see a problem, but the reality is that a vast majority of suicides are caused by an aggregate of factors that are simply part of the human experience and unrelated to work.
 
elektronisch said:
Someone needs to make a movie about this...
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They did it was called "Jumper" with that dude that played Anakin. ;)

Foxconn is working on advanced technologies. Their workers are actually being transported to another dimension. :eek:
 
Chinese ingenuity would probably lead the workers to bring a huge rock with them and throw that first, breaking the net, before they jump. =)
 
DeadlyAura said:
What is happening to natural selection and survival of the fittest?
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I would like to point out one huge misconception the general public and most non-biologists have with the word fitness (fittest). Fitness in evolutionary terms is strictly the number of offspring you leave behind - period.

If these jumpers have a lot of kids, then they could be just as fit as or even more so than the general population....

Put into another perspective, all those batshit crazy yokels with 15 kids are actually more fit than the general population, and way more fit than the couples that only have 1 child. The movie idiocracy was not too far off.
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