Fry's APC 1500VA/865W UPS $120AR B&M YMMV

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Picked this up a few days ago, but didnt get a chance to post it on here.

http://shop2.frys.com/product/50612...kewSyL94w**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

APC 1500VA/865W LCD w/ AVR UPS

They have it on the website for higher, but in store it is $150 - $30 MIR, which comes out to about $120AR before tax. looked pretty decent to me considering its originally $200. Cheaper in store by $50 vs website. Dont know when the deal ends for this ad though. Check your newspapers or go to the store.
 
I also have a 1500 VA APC UPS, but the older style when it was beige. I picked it up from that incredible OD deal a couple years ago for $50 after $50 MIR. :cool:

For $120, that's not a bad price either for a beefy UPS. :)
 
Damn. I was just in a Fry's on Saturday :(

Had I known this and at this price, I would have picked up a few.
 
So what happens when you have more watts than 865w? Ex. 1kw psu, lcd, etc

Does the rated 154-minute battery back-up time, become less or will it just not work?
 
beowulf7 said:
I also have a 1500 VA APC UPS, but the older style when it was beige. I picked it up from that incredible OD deal a couple years ago for $50 after $50 MIR. :cool:
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I did also, and am now spoiled thinking all my UPS purchases will be just as nice...
 
bandit390 said:
So what happens when you have more watts than 865w? Ex. 1kw psu, lcd, etc

Does the rated 154-minute battery back-up time, become less or will it just not work?
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Measure your actual power draw at 100% load, not what your PSU is rated to handle. I doubt your system is anywhere near 865W. If it is, then obviously the battery backup won't work.


 
bandit390 said:
So what happens when you have more watts than 865w? Ex. 1kw psu, lcd, etc

Does the rated 154-minute battery back-up time, become less or will it just not work?
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The 865W is the capacity for the inverter to supply energy from the batteries. If you exceed that, in actual usage, chances are the UPS will trip itself into either an overload state (shut off) or will simply fail to start in the event of a power outage.

That said, chances are you are not actually using more than 865W - even with a 1KW PSU.
 
Also what are the chances of you being at 100% load during a black out?
 
Omegas said:
I did also, and am now spoiled thinking all my UPS purchases will be just as nice...
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That was one of those "once a year, amazing price!" deals. I bought another UPS since then, a small one, but at a much higher price (per VA).
 
Tolyngee said:
If you're normally at 100%, the chances of you being at 100% when a blackout occurs are about, oh... 100%?
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If you're normally at 100%, I assume you'd be folding or running a server and in that case you'd want to be on an industrial strength UPS. Also...I doubt your computer running at 100% unless it was doing some serious like Quad Fire 4870x2/i7 folding would it ever exceed 850 watts
 
Don't forget, this is simulated sine wave unit, so it may not be compatible with Active PFC PSUs ;)
 
TehQuick said:
Don't forget, this is simulated sine wave unit, so it may not be compatible with Active PFC PSUs ;)
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please go into detail. whats this simulated sine wave you speak of? im curious and would like to know.

so is this a hot deal on a good unit? trying to see if i should keep mine or not. thanks.
 
It is a good unit, nice features and all. However, if you are using an Active PFC PSU in your computer, it may have issues with UPS that output simulated wave such as this one. If you don't have active PFC, you got nothing to worry about. For details, I suggest visiting this thread:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1370335
 
bandit390 said:
So what happens when you have more watts than 865w? Ex. 1kw psu, lcd, etc

Does the rated 154-minute battery back-up time, become less or will it just not work?
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Asus Maximus Formula II with a Intel Quad 6700 OC'd to 3.2Ghz, 2x 4870's Crossfire, 2x640GB WD, and 2x500GB WD, Burner, etc with a Corsair 1Kw P/S peak draw on my APC UPS is 825w and lasts 3 minutes according to the LCD.

To go much larger would be 4x the money for a 2Kw.
 
So what are the consequences of an Active PFC PSU and a UPS with simulated sine wave?
 
TehQuick said:
Don't forget, this is simulated sine wave unit, so it may not be compatible with Active PFC PSUs ;)
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Before we get too OT...

The reality however is that essentially all of the consumer grade UPS products provide simulated sine wave output. Getting a true sine wave out of an inverter is very expensive (for the manufacturer) - both monetarily and component wise, therefore it is very hard to find in a market that is flooded with devices .

That said, CyberPower has a line of "Pure Sine Wave" (PP800SW, PP1100SW and PP1500SWT2) units in the $200-300 price range.

Anyhow, $120 for the 1500VA/865W APC unit is a steal.
 
too bad they are the same price as online at my local frys, and all they had is an open box unit anyways priced 179- $30 rebate...
 
That active PFC with similated sine wave is somewhat bullshit. I have managed to run both my Active PFCs off similated sine wave UPS (this one from APC as well as the 1500LCD from Cyberpower). The biggest problem for people with larger power supplies, is the inrush current when you first turn on your computer. That will many times cause the UPS to go into overload briefly and shutdown. Now. the APC and the Cyberpower I used, worked, but when you first turned it on, the inrush would boot it, and then when it came on the second time, the inrush was a little less since the PS had already been primed, and the computer would turn on. I have some quotes from APC and Cyberpower about the issue if you guys want them.
 
I got a CP1350AVRLCD about a week ago. I'm using a Corsair HX620. Haven't had any issues or shutoffs. The AVR seems bullshit though. Under Output it's always 122-124v.
 
Just some info for those who are buying a UPS that I didn't see in this thread:

You need to make sure that both the VA and Watts of your system are covered by the UPS. For example, if you buy a 700 VA, 450W UPS, and your system uses 600VA, 500W at load, the UPS will not be able to provide enough power due to the watts requirement. What you need to take away from here is the power factor of the UPS is pretty low - typically 60% or so. PSU's with passive power factor correction are around 75% - 80% these days, but with active pfc, it can get up to 99%.

A kill-a-watt comes in very handy when sizing a UPS!

Just something to keep in mind :).
 
I just picked one of these up.. with my setup in my sig I am at idle 220W load with monitor and machine. This unit is NICE for the $. My rig alone is only 146W at idle... I will get some load measurements later on :)

Playing COD5 I saw a peak of 430W of usage.
 
The Cyberpower 1500VA says its 900Watts but the APC model is 865W. I talked to a few ppl who use different battery backup systems and the APC seems to be the most recommended. The Cyberpower was my original choice but I was told thier batteries will usually live within the 3 year warranty and not much after where as the APC batteries can last well past the warranty date. This of course was thier experience. So far I am happy with the unit. The software gives you an expected run time on battery power and shows how many watts you are pulling without having to look at the LCD on front of the UPS. It says my system with my router,cable modem and monitor will get ~22min of run time if I am just surfing the net etc. I figure I can turn off the PC and use my laptop off of its own battery and get hours of power for my router and cable modem during a power outage :D
 
I use this surge protector I got for like $20 or something, and it has served me well so far
for 6 years. What do you really need an APC for?
 
MocciBoo said:
I use this surge protector I got for like $20 or something, and it has served me well so far
for 6 years. What do you really need an APC for?
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just incase there was a power outtage maybe.

there was also on sale going at the apc website about there ht power conditioner. i think the price were 129 for the 1kw and 149 for the 1.5kw.
 
That active PFC with similated sine wave is somewhat bullshit.
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I prefer "exaggerated" but it pretty much boils down to the same thing. :D

I've been using modified square wave units with active PFC PSs for a long time and have never had a problem.

There's definately a possibility for problems with this combo but they must be fairly infrequent.

I did buy a true sine wave unit for my WHS box because it seemed highly recommened at the forums and now run my computer from the same UPS.

All my UPS units are refurbs 'cause it makes the prices a little easier on the wallet. :)
 
Old Hippie said:
I prefer "exaggerated" but it pretty much boils down to the same thing. :D

I've been using modified square wave units with active PFC PSs for a long time and have never had a problem.

There's definately a possibility for problems with this combo but they must be fairly infrequent.

I did buy a true sine wave unit for my WHS box because it seemed highly recommened at the forums and now run my computer from the same UPS.

All my UPS units are refurbs 'cause it makes the prices a little easier on the wallet. :)
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any places to get said refurbs?
 
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