First one up and it's pretty decent although it's in chinese. Has 9800GTX and GT info and numbers too.
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0315/20080315000604.shtml
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0315/20080315000604.shtml
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Geforce 9800GX2 reviews
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There have been a couple Chinese reviews already and Tweaktown has done a review on it in English, though they got their card through seedy means, their results seem to be backed up by this new Chinese review.
Game benchmarks start on page 12: http://publish.it168.com/2008/0315/20080315000612.shtml
This review shows the 9800 GX2 significantly faster than the 3870 X2, except in HL2 Ep. 2 @ 1600x1200, UT3 @ 1920x1200 and FEAR P.M. @ 1600x1200/1920x1200. A few other benchmarks are close, but the 9800 GX2 has many complete blowouts over the 3870 X2.
For $600-$650, the 9800 GX2 still seems like a poor value though, especially if you have an SLI motherboard.
This review shows the 9800 GX2 significantly faster than the 3870 X2, except in HL2 Ep. 2 @ 1600x1200, UT3 @ 1920x1200 and FEAR P.M. @ 1600x1200/1920x1200. A few other benchmarks are close, but the 9800 GX2 has many complete blowouts over the 3870 X2.
For $600-$650, the 9800 GX2 still seems like a poor value though, especially if you have an SLI motherboard.
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Anandtech: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3266&p=1
The 9800GX2 is actually looking pretty sweet. I want to see a few more reviews and then I might pull the trigger!
The 9800GX2 is actually looking pretty sweet. I want to see a few more reviews and then I might pull the trigger!
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[H] review coming up! It seems a bit bugged atm though, the forum thread is here though!!!
It is a poor value however you look at it cause the performance is not 1:1 with the money you spend. The only way it EVER makes sense to go SLi is when they are able to get roughly a 90% boost by adding the second card. This is coming from someone that has owned 2 SLi machines and saw almost no benefit.
Using the OP review's numbers: http://publish.it168.com/2008/0315/20080315000604.shtml
It still holds true that the 3870x2 does well in 3DMark06, but slower in actual game play.
If my calculations are correct, and looking only at 1920 x 1200 res... (What I need)
---------------------------------------------- 3870x2 --------- 9800 GX2 --- %Diff
3DMark06 ------------------------------ 14,190 ---------- 14,167 ------ 23 Points lower
Crysis ----------------------------------- 13FPS ---------- 22FPS ----- 69% faster
Lost Planet ---------------------------- 24FPS --------- 31FPS ----- 29% faster
Lost Planet 8xAA/16xAF--------- 11FPS --------- 13FPS ----- 18% faster
Company of Heros ------------------ 56FPS --------- 77FPS ----- 37% faster
Word in Conflict ---------------------- 34FPS -------- 41FPS ------ 20% faster
Word in Conflict 4xAA/16xAF -- 14FPS -------- 26FPS ------ 85% faster
Half Life ------------------------------- 111FPS ------ 115FPS -------- 3% faster
Half Life 8xAA/16xAF ------------- 73FPS -------- 76FPS -------- 4% faster
NeedForSpeed ---------------------- 48FPS ------- 102FPS ----- 112% faster
NeedForSpeed 4xAA ------------- 33FPS --------- 91FPS ----- 175% faster
Unreal Tournament -------------- 112FPS ------- 109FPS -------- 2% slower
Quake4 ------------------------------ 115FPS ------- 120FPS -------- 4% faster
Lost Planet -------------------------- 11FPS --------- 13FPS ----- 18% faster
FEAR 4xAAx16xAF ------------- 87FPS -------- 79FPS ------- 10% slower
On average, the GX2 is currently 41% faster than the 3870x2 at 1920 x 1200 res.
I still think the GX2 is the best single card to have right now...
It still holds true that the 3870x2 does well in 3DMark06, but slower in actual game play.
If my calculations are correct, and looking only at 1920 x 1200 res... (What I need)
---------------------------------------------- 3870x2 --------- 9800 GX2 --- %Diff
3DMark06 ------------------------------ 14,190 ---------- 14,167 ------ 23 Points lower
Crysis ----------------------------------- 13FPS ---------- 22FPS ----- 69% faster
Lost Planet ---------------------------- 24FPS --------- 31FPS ----- 29% faster
Lost Planet 8xAA/16xAF--------- 11FPS --------- 13FPS ----- 18% faster
Company of Heros ------------------ 56FPS --------- 77FPS ----- 37% faster
Word in Conflict ---------------------- 34FPS -------- 41FPS ------ 20% faster
Word in Conflict 4xAA/16xAF -- 14FPS -------- 26FPS ------ 85% faster
Half Life ------------------------------- 111FPS ------ 115FPS -------- 3% faster
Half Life 8xAA/16xAF ------------- 73FPS -------- 76FPS -------- 4% faster
NeedForSpeed ---------------------- 48FPS ------- 102FPS ----- 112% faster
NeedForSpeed 4xAA ------------- 33FPS --------- 91FPS ----- 175% faster
Unreal Tournament -------------- 112FPS ------- 109FPS -------- 2% slower
Quake4 ------------------------------ 115FPS ------- 120FPS -------- 4% faster
Lost Planet -------------------------- 11FPS --------- 13FPS ----- 18% faster
FEAR 4xAAx16xAF ------------- 87FPS -------- 79FPS ------- 10% slower
On average, the GX2 is currently 41% faster than the 3870x2 at 1920 x 1200 res.
I still think the GX2 is the best single card to have right now...
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nice chart there bud....ATI just cannot seem to be competitive at any pefomance level with NV...they always get blown-out head 2 head ,and then start bottoming out prices on thier cards....
please ATI make something decent so NV will blow yall out again,please
Wouldn't it be nice if the 9800GX2 cards were priced better though? If the nVidia cards are only 40% faster on average than the 3870X2 then shouldn't the nVidia cards only cost $500 MSRP?nice chart there bud....ATI just cannot seem to be competitive at any pefomance level with NV...they always get blown-out head 2 head ,and then start bottoming out prices on thier cards....
please ATI make something decent so NV will blow yall out again,please
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Actually if you're just comparing performance vs. MSRP, the 9800GX2 should cost $630 according to that 40% figure. If you go by the cheapest 3870 X2 on Newegg, it should cost $587 for the 9800GX2.
Not that I'm saying the 9800GX2 is a good buy, but if you use that particular math, it appears to be.
For the performance you get the card should be $500.
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People forget that cost and performance is NEVER a linear line.
Oh I didn't forget. Although nVidia should know better... They will figure it out when these cards fall flat on their face and noone buys them cause they are NOT worth the money. I bought one of the 7950GX2 cards and these won't be any better. Pfft.
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People are buying them already, and in some cases buying two.
This is very true. If you need proof just look at Intel's Extreme Edition processors.
I know some will buy them. I just highly doubt that it will sell well. If it does I will have completely lost faith in humanity.
According to the review, so far your're wrong. These seem much better out of the gate than the 7950GX2 ever was. Really the 7950GX2 performed great, but owners of the card got shafted on the drivers for Vista and Quad-SLI was a joke.
Why? What brings this on? What exactly dissappoints you about this card?
Yea..a few guys woke up with massive"morning wood"aka ePenis..
Ill see what the 9800GTX is like next week..My OCed 8800GTX is safe at least until the 25th..
Even at $500 I would have a hard time justifying the upgrade. Course I am an 8800GTX owner, but then again I was expecting alot more from nVidia and this to me is a ENORMOUS let down. Lately there have been less and less reasons for me to be a PC gamer. This was almost the last nail in the coffin for me. If they even hint at doing another refresh of this same core I am going to drop PC gaming for good. This is coming from someone that has literally been a hardcore PC gamer for the past 15-20 years.
This card is considered to be the high end and it doesn't give me any reason to upgrade from my 8800GTX that I have been using since they were launched.
It'll be safe for longer than that. The extra 5 fps you will see will not be worth it.Yea..a few guys woke up with massive"morning wood"aka ePenis..
Ill see what the 9800GTX is like next week..My OCed 8800GTX is safe at least until the 25th..
Having run 8800GTX's in SLI I'd say you are wrong again. It looks to be much more powerful than a single 8800GTX. It can run COD4 at 2560x1600 with 2xAA and 16xAF with the bug! That's something a single 8800GTX can not do well. (Well not well enough for multiplayer anyway.)
A pair of 9800GX2's are going to be replacing my 8800GTX SLI setup.
What are you upgrading from? I seriously hope that 8800GTX and 8800Ultra users are staying clear of this cycle.Yep, both of mine shall be here tomorrow morning. Booyah
Im hoping for less heat/power..If the performance is at least equal and overclockable,I may pry my 8800GTX from the throne its been in for the past 15 months..
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They should only stay away from the cycle if it does not benefit them. If they are running at 1680x1050...then maybe. If they are already in SLI, maybe. However, if they are running a single 8800GTX @ 1920x1080...then there is VERY good reason to upgrade since a large amount of games will allow all their settings to be turned on and play at solid frame rates.
Personally I find it arrogant that since you think it is not a good reason to upgrade because it has no benefit to you that it will have no benefit to anyone else.
I ran 2 8800GTX's in SLi as well and seeing how they didn't make much difference in most of my games I sold the extra one and lost almost nothing. That plus the fact that every single 680i motherboard I ran in the past had issues. Even my Abit 680i had issues. I thought that I had finally found a board that wasn't going to kill my memory. Nope sure enough it did damage my memory enough to where now it is hit or miss on startup. Awesome. Stock speeds overclocked speeds would not matter. I game @ 1920x1080 on my Westinghouse and that is great for me. At that res every single game looks perfect on the absolute highest settings with 4x AA or higher and 16x AF. Only game I can't do that with obviously is Crysis. I can still run the game @ 1920x1080 0x AA 8x AF everything on High DX10 @ 25-35 fps. I was expecting a card that could at least give me 40-50fps @ 1920x1080 on Very High. Course nVidia decided on a refresh and all those hopes were dashed.
Using the anandtech review's numbers: http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3266&p=1
Putting the 8800 Ultra against the 9800 GX2...
If my calculations are correct, and looking only at 1920 x 1200 res... (What I need)
---------------------------------------------- 8800 Ultra --------- 9800 GX2 --- %Diff
Call of Duty ---------------------------- 70FPS -------------- 110FPS --------- 57% faster
Call of Duty 4Xaa--------------------- 55.7FPS ------------- 83.1FPS ------ 49% faster
Crysis High Quality----------------- 25.8FPS -------------- 39.4FPS ------ 52% faster
Oblivion --------------------------------- 46FPS ----------------- 84.3FPS ----- 83% faster
Oblivion 4XAA ------------------------ 36.1FPS -------------- 63.9FPS ---- 77% faster
Quake Wars -------------------------- 85.2FPS ------------ 120.4FPS ---- 41% faster
Stalker ---------------------------------- 48.8FPS ------------- 73.3FPS ----- 50% faster
Word in Conflict ---------------------- 30FPS --------------- 33FPS ------- 10% faster.
On average, the GX2 is currently 52% faster than the 8800 Ultra at 1920 x 1200 res.
The 8800 Ultra is no longer the single fastest card, and nVidia hit their 30% minimum speed increase over the Ultra.
Putting the 8800 Ultra against the 9800 GX2...
If my calculations are correct, and looking only at 1920 x 1200 res... (What I need)
---------------------------------------------- 8800 Ultra --------- 9800 GX2 --- %Diff
Call of Duty ---------------------------- 70FPS -------------- 110FPS --------- 57% faster
Call of Duty 4Xaa--------------------- 55.7FPS ------------- 83.1FPS ------ 49% faster
Crysis High Quality----------------- 25.8FPS -------------- 39.4FPS ------ 52% faster
Oblivion --------------------------------- 46FPS ----------------- 84.3FPS ----- 83% faster
Oblivion 4XAA ------------------------ 36.1FPS -------------- 63.9FPS ---- 77% faster
Quake Wars -------------------------- 85.2FPS ------------ 120.4FPS ---- 41% faster
Stalker ---------------------------------- 48.8FPS ------------- 73.3FPS ----- 50% faster
Word in Conflict ---------------------- 30FPS --------------- 33FPS ------- 10% faster.
On average, the GX2 is currently 52% faster than the 8800 Ultra at 1920 x 1200 res.
The 8800 Ultra is no longer the single fastest card, and nVidia hit their 30% minimum speed increase over the Ultra.
I don't consider myself to be out of the mainstream as far as PC gaming is concerned. I will tell you one thing though. I do expect more out of nVidia. They were named Forbes company of the year in 2007. If it were my company I would show the world why we are the #1 company 2 years in a row.
Again I think people have really short memories. Jumps like the one we had from the 7950GX2 to the 8800GTX are RARE and are NOT the norm. Most performance gaps between generations are less than 50%. Expecting NVIDIA to throw out a new architecture all the time and provide a double the performance over the last generation is unrealistic.
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I guess there is no making YOU happy. I personally think your expectations are way out of line. For some reason the bar that was raised between between the 7xxx series and the 8xxx somehow needs to be repeated again and at greater levels. This is foolish thinking IMO.
The fact is that nVidia has improved EVERY aspect of ALL their product lines over the past year. In reality, ATI has done this as well. Right now is the absolute BEST time to be in the PC gaming enviroment as a whole. There a massive choice at all levels of both price and performance which can result in many blissful hours of pwnage.
I currently run Tri-SLI using 8800GTX's. I'm upgrading to two 9800GX2's.
Various reasons, one of them being that I run native res on all my games 2560x1600 and anothe reason that the skulltrail board does not support tripple sli, so I'm stuck with going the two cards route.
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I was tempted, but i think i will hold off and put my money into the 790i board I am about to gets this afternoon from Microcenter. (I had a $300 store credit with them already)
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I say we are apart of that group who likes to be on the cutting edge. Luckily for me, my side jobs pay for this.
I know this all too well, but I also don't think we should give them a pass either. We should let them know loud and clear that we want more. The way I do this is I skip this cycle. If more of us did that they'd get the message.
Edit: So if the rumors are true that nVidia may release another refresh of the G92 @ 55nm would you be just a little pissed? I mean come on. When is it ok to be outraged?