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It would be nice to see King_N post something on hardfolding.com to draw in the people who go there, but not the forums that often.
There are no news updates that show anything about UD shutting down, the vote for a new project, nor the team leaders.
It would be nice to see *something* from someone who was so outspoken about these issues a few days ago to take part.
My experience is asking/PM'ing King_N tends to be just that, wishing on a star for a response.
I have yet to see how a 2nd team affects someone who isn't going to participate in it, yet they vote against it and speak against it.
If you have 10 or 2 or 1 or 50 pc's and only plan to contribute to 1 project then do so. But why take part in a vote to stop others from doing so? And really, if you have no intention of being in a 2nd project anyway and vote against it in an election deciding the possiblity of doing it, then all you are doing is stopping others from doing something you have no intention of doing.
Having some historical perspective, I wouldn't be overly concerned about a protracted internal dispute causing a permanent rift within the team. [H] DC polemics in the past may have inflicted a few bruises here and there, but the team endured and emerged stronger in the end. Many feared that the launching of GenMay's team would irreparably splinter [H] resulting in the loss of the #1 position or worse. That didn't happen. There were other very significant disputes before and since. We are still at the top, and if anything, stronger than ever.I personally like the competition that the large team has. I like the friendly atmoshere that this forum has as well. Everyone who posts here, whether new or a lurking veteran is always welcomed and invited to share in the not-quite "genmay" freedom we enjoy here. Unfortunately it looks like the end of 1 project may cause the end of a "unified team spirit" of another.
Having some historical perspective, I wouldn't be overly concerned about a protracted internal dispute causing a permanent rift within the team. [H] DC polemics in the past may have inflicted a few bruises here and there, but the team endured and emerged stronger in the end. Many feared that the launching of GenMay's team would irreparably splinter [H] resulting in the loss of the #1 position or worse. That didn't happen. There were other very significant disputes before and since. We are still at the top, and if anything, stronger than ever.
I would hope nobody leaves over any of this. I for one will continue with team33 FaH. If no "official" secondary project is chosen, I'll continue on in an un-official one with my older gear. No biggie. It would be nice to have a 2nd project also being official, more projects, more competition etc. but it's not necessary and in the end as long as your folding that's all that really matters.
I've learned alot here and hope to contribue what I have learned to any who ask.
Fold on!
Funny how one event has turned the "tide" in many ways.... pebble in the lake sorta a thing.
Having some historical perspective, I wouldn't be overly concerned about a protracted internal dispute causing a permanent rift within the team. [H] DC polemics in the past may have inflicted a few bruises here and there, but the team endured and emerged stronger in the end. Many feared that the launching of GenMay's team would irreparably splinter [H] resulting in the loss of the #1 position or worse. That didn't happen. There were other very significant disputes before and since. We are still at the top, and if anything, stronger than ever.
Just - wow. I'll finally chime in again in this thread. I'm saddened to see we have lost some great members and wish them the best. Time to move forward though and see this group being a team again. The infighting and bickering had to stop somehow. I've finally decided for now that I'm going to vote for FAH only. This is for the short term though as I personally feel that with everything that has been going on we really need to just get our shit together and adding another complexity is just going to slow and or complicate the process of our healing and moving forward. I think we need to concentrate our efforts on getting things in order here and really rallying together as a TEAM again. In the longer run I do think a second project is a great idea and something we should do to give more options for the team but I'd personally say lets look at that later and concentrate on just getting us all back on the the right track for the immediate short term.
Winning a battle like this means jack shit if you don't use logic and reasoning to change the minds of those with opposing views. Until I see some real arguments and reasons, I'm going to continue to believe every person that votes for one team only is full of BS.
First, this isn't a "battle." No need to make more of it then it actually is.
People vote for many different reasons, just like how they fold for different reasons.
The important part is that they are folding. Going around cussing and saying other
team members are full of BS is not a good way to try to retain members, rather it
pisses others off and makes it *into* a battle.
SR - I see your point and really just want to see this group move forward. It was definitely not my intention to push toward alienating or further splintering the members here. That's the last thing I want to see happen. Right now on the second project ideas I do personally like the WCG one better though. Also - you got any spare ink?
Your argument is full of smoke.
If you noticed, I voted for two teams, as to not alienate people on our team, and give choices to those who want to be a part of the team.
Rule #1 in debate is know your opponent.
And for the record, this is a vote. Not a debate.
As it stands, the winner will be pulled from numbers, not who has the best argument.
Although the arguments may help sway people to your "vote."
I am not trying to stop discussion, rather, I would like to see CONSTRUCTIVE discussion, rather then battle this, fight that, and all the cussing.
However, out of the two projects WCG had more votes, so I decided to put my weight
towards WCG over R@H.