Great_Melinko said:What would it be worth for me to ask them about it
i just may do that tonite.
I think ill stick with CS LAN only with bots for now
Roger that, they need to fix the bots for Source.
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Great_Melinko said:What would it be worth for me to ask them about it
i just may do that tonite.
I think ill stick with CS LAN only with bots for now
Almost unplayable? Maybe I have a skewed perspective, but I'm rocking out in HL2 and CS:S on an AthlonXP 2500+ OCed to 2.2GHZ and 512 megs RAM, but my video card's a little old... CREATIVE LABS GEFORCE 1 (not 5, 4, 3, or 2, but ONE!) DDR! Yeah, I have all the eye candy turned off, but the thing runs great on my machine. It hasn't crashed, yet, where the original HL (TFC and CS) would crash at least once per session requiring a reboot.Torgo said:You seem to be missing the point. The reason for the lack of patience is that the product in its current state is almost unplayable. Not having the fixes is doing more harm than good. Valve being silent on the subject and not communicating doesn't help. Ergo, vis-a-vie, concordently the seemingly lack of patience.
Eyecandy off? no no, you have the GAME turned off, the only benefits to CS:S are the graphics and sound, and all the moveable trash laying around. Without the graphics, and I'm assuming LQ sound, turned off you may as well be playing beta 6. Its that buggy.GilmourD said:Almost unplayable? Maybe I have a skewed perspective, but I'm rocking out in HL2 and CS:S on an AthlonXP 2500+ OCed to 2.2GHZ and 512 megs RAM, but my video card's a little old... CREATIVE LABS GEFORCE 1 (not 5, 4, 3, or 2, but ONE!) DDR! Yeah, I have all the eye candy turned off, but the thing runs great on my machine. It hasn't crashed, yet, where the original HL (TFC and CS) would crash at least once per session requiring a reboot.
I've been playing this game and wondering what is causing people to complain. Usually my body is surrounded by a Murphy's Law Field, causing EVERYTHING to go wrong, and even I haven't been having any problems.
I understand the admin stuff is lacking, but people are complaining about the gameplay aspects, and even I don't see it with my ancient video hardware. My BIGGEST problem is that I suck at the game right now, but no more than I sucked at the original after this long. Anybody wanna donate a 6800GT so I can see if I can break it on new hardware?
I have no problems with sound (nForce2). It's just my video card that can't handle all the eye candy, but it still beats the pants off of the original CS graphically. As far as the other issues you have, I haven't run into them. Smooth sailing here. I've even been lucky enough not to have to deal with too many asshole hackers (although a few do creep in every once in a while). I'm just waiting on some cash to get myself a BFG 6800OC, then I can jack up all the options. But so far, my lowly original GeForce DDR is running the game at a consistent 35fps+ without many hiccups that don't have to do with my brother kicking the plug out of the router.Warriorprophet said:Eyecandy off? no no, you have the GAME turned off, the only benefits to CS:S are the graphics and sound, and all the moveable trash laying around. Without the graphics, and I'm assuming LQ sound, turned off you may as well be playing beta 6. Its that buggy.
I have the texture replaced with red blinking error sign problem and I haven't installed ANY 3rd party stuff. I even wiped my drive and reinstalled everything trying to get rid of the problem. Still there. The game is unplayable online due to the asshole issue in any decently pinged server, and even backwater servers have hacker problems eventually. Someone can always get a good ping.
Bots suck, and I still have texture errors in LAN mode so thats no help either.
I can't even fathom trying to run a server without 10 of the best admins on the net being 1-2 online at any given time to chase issues down. And the servercost is extreme for rentals to boot.
I am still waiting on Quake4 I guess, I hope Raven pulls their usual magic and gets me a game to play.
Ahh well, back to the WoW beta, a game which ROCKS if you liked WC3's custom RPG maps at all.
darksynth said:Trust me, you cannot play HL2 if you shutdown steam after you authenticate it. This should be taken out of this write up, offical line or not, its false.
rayg said:that article was like a little kid whining about not getting a new toy or something. CS:S is fine for me, I haven't encountered one cheater (although I admittedly don't play much), and it's visually lightyears ahead of CS 1.6. They brag as if playing since 1.0 is a big deal. I started playing CS at beta .4. It was great then, and still is fine. I like how the game as evolved.
The second sentence is 100% true. You can read into what you want, but don't blame me for what you dream up. I think you should take the statement at face value. Also, the article was really not about Steam, although we thought that the subject at least needed to be mentioned. I think I can quote the article as saying.kick@ss said:Steam had problems in the begining, but it was a public beta test. For the longest time, however, Steam was not plagued with problems. When HL2 came out there were some issues. What that second sentence makes it sound like is that Steam is barely adequate and always crashing, which is most definitely not the case.
miek said:While I think that the article was well thought out and provided some valid points, I have to disagree with the view that Valve hasn't and doesn't listen to the community that made it so great.
I worked on the Firearms mod for the original Half-life for, oh, about 2.5 years. During this time I saw firsthand just how supportive of the community Valve really is. The give so much of themselves back to the community its amazing. Just look at the depth of the original SDK; up until Valve you might get a level editor and just enough access to the code to make a mod (or it had to be hacked apart), let alone full documentation and tech support. They've held a number of MOD Expos to showcase what people were doing to their game. They've invited mod authors to show off their mods at E3 in the Valve booth. Their employees have always been willing to help sort out problems in a map or errors in code. When they asked the FA Team if they could purchase the right to sell Firearms in boxed editions of Half-life, they became even more involved to help us polish the mod. Valve employees would stop by our IRC chat room to see how things were going, they helped us squash bugs, playtest and implement new ideas. One employee even made a level for us in his spare time.
Fast forward a few years, and they are already working on giving us total control over mods we make for an engine and a game they just spent the past 5 years developing. I think people tend to forget that they've been working 18 hour days for the past year+ to get Half-Life 2 into hands as soon as possible. It takes time to do things, and there are only so many hours in the day. I have faith that if Valve had been able to fix that stuff before the "release" of CS:S they would have and I have faith that since ya'll are complaining about it and brining it to their attention that they will fix it as soon as possible. CS has never ceased in being developed. Why should we think that development has stopped now? Its been, what? 5 years since CS:Beta1 was first released and we've had at least two major releases a year since then with tweaks and fixes and new content.
The problem is gamers today want their cake AND their icecream and they want it RIGHT NOW and it has to be made of the finest ingredients by the best chefs in the world and if anything is wrong with it, the color of the frosting is #3333FF instead of #3333CC we get out the pitchforks and forget how fun the game really is and how despite all the shortcomings that we scream about so loudly, we still keep coming back for more, day after day, year after year.
I can agree with the conjecture that CS:S is still beta, but I can not stand by and let Valve be bashed for not supporting the community. That is just utter BS!
cosign again.Tsumari said:I just want to hop in to say that Steam, and technologies like Steam, are going to be my first choice for purchasing games in the future, when possible. If it was a little buggy on its first major release, who cares? It will be worked out, and everything will mature.
Tsumari
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Originally Posted by miek
While I think that the article was well thought out and provided some valid points, I have to disagree with the view that Valve hasn't and doesn't listen to the community that made it so great.
I worked on the Firearms mod for the original Half-life for, oh, about 2.5 years. During this time I saw firsthand just how supportive of the community Valve really is. The give so much of themselves back to the community its amazing. Just look at the depth of the original SDK; up until Valve you might get a level editor and just enough access to the code to make a mod (or it had to be hacked apart), let alone full documentation and tech support. They've held a number of MOD Expos to showcase what people were doing to their game. They've invited mod authors to show off their mods at E3 in the Valve booth. Their employees have always been willing to help sort out problems in a map or errors in code. When they asked the FA Team if they could purchase the right to sell Firearms in boxed editions of Half-life, they became even more involved to help us polish the mod. Valve employees would stop by our IRC chat room to see how things were going, they helped us squash bugs, playtest and implement new ideas. One employee even made a level for us in his spare time.
Fast forward a few years, and they are already working on giving us total control over mods we make for an engine and a game they just spent the past 5 years developing. I think people tend to forget that they've been working 18 hour days for the past year+ to get Half-Life 2 into hands as soon as possible. It takes time to do things, and there are only so many hours in the day. I have faith that if Valve had been able to fix that stuff before the "release" of CS:S they would have and I have faith that since ya'll are complaining about it and brining it to their attention that they will fix it as soon as possible. CS has never ceased in being developed. Why should we think that development has stopped now? Its been, what? 5 years since CS:Beta1 was first released and we've had at least two major releases a year since then with tweaks and fixes and new content.
The problem is gamers today want their cake AND their icecream and they want it RIGHT NOW and it has to be made of the finest ingredients by the best chefs in the world and if anything is wrong with it, the color of the frosting is #3333FF instead of #3333CC we get out the pitchforks and forget how fun the game really is and how despite all the shortcomings that we scream about so loudly, we still keep coming back for more, day after day, year after year.
I can agree with the conjecture that CS:S is still beta, but I can not stand by and let Valve be bashed for not supporting the community. That is just utter BS!
I muthaf'in cosign on that one!
GeForceX said:Look, stfu and sit. Wait and see. How hard is that to do? That article is nice as it points out problems but almost unnecessary because all I see is whining. You don't think Valve knows? Just give them time to do it. Stupid Americans-- no patience nowadays.
-J.
ya gotta expect man. look where you are! social retards are everywhere!fbiguy said:Hmmm, ok. Lets point out a few things here, in question form. Since when was this an all American forum? Oh, and how do you know that all those who posted against the original article are not Americans, and thus all those who posted in support of the original article are Americans?
What nationality are you? Oh wait, after reading your post i almost forgot, nationality DOES NOT matter, because every nationality will have assholes....such as yourself. Thanks and go die.
oh, and btw i share your point of view, wait it out, there are other games to entertain me for the time being. oh and i am American, strange how you and i think alike.
G'ßöö said:ya gotta expect man. look where you are! social retards are everywhere!
ShortCircuit said:While I do agree with your points, I can't help but laugh at the overall message. At least you have a game to play, broken as it may be. TFC was Valve's first retail mod, and was once the most popular one as well. Our original game still isn't fixed, much less some sequel. It's been so many years since Valve has paid attention to us, we have community mods that fix the bugs (how f***ing ridiculous is it that fixed code is already out there, and Valve STILL won't implement it). The CS community is Valve's spoiled child compared to TFC, be happy with what you have.
archevilangel said:heh, not that your complaints isn't legitment, but valve has a habit of ignoring the community. TFC players have been putting up with this for a while. At one point TFC was the HL MOD, and valve let that dwindle by not fixing some of the oldest bugs ( http://www.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=102551 ) and by not marketing TFC(Look at the popularity of both dod and cs after retail packages were released for both of them).
Anyways, on back to CS:S specificly. Not having rcon is atrocious, and it looks like it was rushed out. I've talked to a lot of my friends who are CS players and they all found CS to be supperior to CS:S.
No valve did not ruin counter-strike, but I hope now people realize what they're buying when they get hl2 I know plenty of cs players who will buy hl2 just for CS:S. Sure they'll play hl2 for around 30 min and quit(Most of them havent even touched HL).
Spare-Flair said:I won't be happy until Team Fortress 2 or TFC:Source or whatever is released. That game was sadly underrated, and this from a long time beta CS vetran. Right now I'm very much enjoying the War3 mod for CS. Throws a little more spice into a game this old...and a game most of my friends nolonger play because of the mess of the original steam.
headless said:Valve still hasn't fixed the nailgren exploit in tfc, have they? LOL.
Sorry, I wasn't aware that when a game is released in its final version that it ISN'T SUPPOSED TO WORK RIGHT....GeForceX said:Look, stfu and sit. Wait and see. How hard is that to do? That article is nice as it points out problems but almost unnecessary because all I see is whining. You don't think Valve knows? Just give them time to do it. Stupid Americans-- no patience nowadays.
-J.
GeForceX said:Look, stfu and sit. Wait and see. How hard is that to do? That article is nice as it points out problems but almost unnecessary because all I see is whining. You don't think Valve knows? Just give them time to do it. Stupid Americans-- no patience nowadays.
-J.
Apologenetic said:I have been playing sence HL2 came out for hours on end and I have yet to run into a cheater... one that could beat me anyway (CS:S name "_-=EM=-_ Holie Fire")... and I am loveing this game, the ragdoll's halirious deaths and the gun physics and realistic damage and violent head shot deaths I just love this game. I know it's not perfect yet and an anti-cheat would be nice but give them time, CS has been through 2 and a half years of polishing. This game will be even more awesome in a few months when they patch and fix, just give it time... and heyheyhey, when was the last time a game worked right when it first came out? Doom3 Multi, dare I say... FarCry?? at least it's not a console game, then we'd all be screwed
Sabs said:You have to activate Windows, Office, Norton Antivirus, and many other applications these days. It's not very out of the ordinary. It's simply an anti-piracy countermeasure, and I have no problem with it. I do not know of any PC gamers who have no access to an internet connection. At any rate, HL2 can be played with Steam in offline mode, and only requires an internet connection for activation of the game.
Skystalker said:You do have to admit 2 things:
1) the game is (what I would consider) unreasonably time consuming and more difficult that required to activate and play
2) the pirates will crack it no matter what valve does... the whole "build a better moustrap" scenario
3) god forbid I wish to install/play the game 3 years from now when steam is defunct... my game investment is... gone
They will make money on the game, and I am all for that... it is business. If they make it unreasonably difficult, it will hurt them.
Sorry... this was off topic...
-Skystalker
azzurri said:First of all, that is incorrect. Back your game up after registering and you are good to go. You do not need steam to play this game 3 years in the future.
As far as CS:S goes, I've been having a lot of fun competing with my friends against other players. The game isn't perfect, but I'm sure they will release some patches in the future. CS:S will continue to improve, give them some time. I can tell you first hand how physically and mentally draining it is to develop and test games. They just got done releasing HL2, give them some time. These people have worked damn hard to bring everyone a fantastic new game engine.
As far as I'm concerned CS:S was free. $54.99 for HL2 is well worth it. I haven't experienced a single problem with Steam either. They have a lot of plans lined up, so again sit back and enjoy.
GeForceX said:Look, stfu and sit. Stupid Americans-- no patience nowadays.
fbiguy said:because every nationality will have assholes....such as yourself. Thanks and go die.
azzurri said:You need to run it, but it works in offline mode as well. So as long as you backup steam as well, you can play this game if steam disappears. I still find it odd that people's biggest concern about steam is wanting to play HL2 three, five or ten years in the future. I won't even mention a no cd type option as well.