[HOT] Brooks Brothers Peal and Co (C&J Handgrade) Shoes $100+ off

[aviat72]

Good shoes that can be resoled start at about $250 (think Allen Edmonds), so these are not that much more. $292 at sale prices.

You can't resole 95% of shoes sold. There are only a few types of construction when you can, and none of them are sold at Johnston and Murphy, etc.

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Maybe you like over paying but I have seen these brands being sold for between $75-$125 at my local Costco. A pair of $120 Ecco shoes are very nice and comfy, and can be redone many times.

The incremental value offered by these labelled products is almost exclusively in the snob department; the marginal rate of return in the utility department being almost zero.

But there is a big class of powerful people where these subtleties are a necessity. As one of my friend's in Manhattan told me, the $5-10K he drops every year on Brook Brothers is just the price of entry into the club.

All that being said, it is good that getting something at a discount still makes you excited. Very often all the prep schools, the single malts, and the Brook Brothers stuff makes people forget the pleasures from the smaller things in life (like getting $100 off a $500 shoe).

 

[computerpro3]

Maybe you like over paying but I have seen these brands being sold for between $75-$125 at my local Costco.

That is simply not true. Peal and Co is not distributed anywhere except Brooks Brothers. Hell, BB owns Peal and Co. If you post evidence in this thread of Peal and Co, Alden, Santoni, etc shoes being sold at Costco then I will paypal you $1000. Everyone in this thread can hold me to that promise.

A pair of $120 Ecco shoes are very nice and comfy, and can be redone many times.

This is also expressly false. Ecco shoes use adhesive to hold the soles on, and thus cannot be resoled. To resole a shoe requires a construction like a Goodyear welt, something that starts generally on $200+ shoes. There are such things as a middle ground, like a Blake Stitch (which shoes like Hugo Boss use) that can SOMETIMES be resoled once, but will be destroyed after that. Perhaps ecco has one or two models in blake stitch or goodyear, but the vast majority of their shoes cannot be properly resoled.

The incremental value offered by these labelled products is almost exclusively in the snob department; the marginal rate of return in the utility department being almost zero.

Once again, completely wrong. The average person doesn't even know what Peal and Co is, and even if they do they will never be able to identify one on sight or tell the original maker. In fact, if snob appeal was the thing I was going for, I'd never buy rebadged C&J like the Peal shoes - I'd buy direct at twice the price.

I gain no snob appeal whatsoever by wearing Peal and Co - nobody even knows what they are. They're just great shoes.

But there is a big class of powerful people where these subtleties are a necessity. As one of my friend's in Manhattan told me, the $5-10K he drops every year on Brook Brothers is just the price of entry into the club.

Brooks Brothers isn't even super high end. It's simply a great value on clothes that aren't complete crap. It's basically entry level not-made-in-china stuff. $5-10k is nothing for the truly wealthy. The real big timers drop 5-10k per item in some cases on stuff like Attolini, Kiton, Tom Ford, etc. A Kiton or Attolini suit will run you $5-15k alone, not including shoes, shirt, tie, etc. I am not in this category, by the way. Can't afford it, and even if I could I'm not sure I would. I'd probably grab one or two "fuck you" suits from Tom Ford (some of his stuff is garish and tacky but the occasional piece is an absolutely brilliant merging of classic designs with a giant middle finger to tradition) but then settle on the rest of my wardrobe being more reasonable high-end. I have some Tom Ford and Kiton stuff but it's all either from sample sales or heavily discounted so I paid well less than half MSRP.

But you make a good point - I love fine clothing but believe someone shouldn't be judged by it automatically. But in some circles, that absolutely happens - and you'd better play along.

All that being said, it is good that getting something at a discount still makes you excited. Very often all the prep schools, the single malts, and the Brook Brothers stuff makes people forget the pleasures from the smaller things in life (like getting $100 off a $500 shoe).

People too often don't understand the notion of value. Getting $300 shoes that last for 5-10 years, are incredibly comfortable, are truly and actually designed for podiatric health, and classically aesthetically designed is indisputably a better value than getting $100 shoes that need to be replaced every 2 years, are ugly, and aren't ergonomically designed - even though it's more expensive. Up front price matters nothing in terms of the value equation, so long as it doesn't effect an other more essential area of your life.

Taking that a step further, getting $600 shoes (that area already justifiable at their full retail price) for $300 is also an indisputably good value.

What's not to get excited about? People don't get successful by wasting money. One of the many secrets to success is to not be afraid to spend a lot of money on certain things that are worth it, but to also not pay more than you have to for those particular things.

You spend 80% of your life sitting in a computer chair, sleeping, and wearing shoes.

Skimping on your mattress, chair, or shoes is downright stupid - unless you're into s&m. The comfort and productivity that those three items have given me alone have paid for themselves ten times over in saved medical expense, greater attentiveness while working, and overall physical - and mental - comfort level.

 

[LeninGHOLA]

Uh, these are good shoes and the sale is good. Some folks may not have gotten what they wanted for Christmas and are angry. You pay a bit more at the outset and get a solid product that lasts longer. If clothing and footwear isn't important to you, you'd probably be browing the other hot deals threads.

 

[aviat72]

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That is simply not true. Peal and Co is not distributed anywhere except Brooks Brothers. Hell, BB owns Peal and Co. If you post evidence in this thread of Peal and Co, Alden, Santoni, etc shoes being sold at Costco then I will paypal you $1000. Everyone in this thread can hold me to that promise.

Allen Edmonds was the brand at Costco by the way. They may not be a BB brand but as you say still a good shoe.

This is also expressly false. Ecco shoes use adhesive to hold the soles on, and thus cannot be resoled. To resole a shoe requires a construction like a Goodyear welt, something that starts generally on $200+ shoes. There are such things as a middle ground, like a Blake Stitch (which shoes like Hugo Boss use) that can SOMETIMES be resoled once, but will be destroyed after that. Perhaps ecco has one or two models in blake stitch or goodyear, but the vast majority of their shoes cannot be properly resoled.

I have been told by the retailer who sold me Eccos a few years ago that they can resole them for about $60. I guess it depends on the style perhaps. Or they have equipment and adhesive combinations which permit reapplication.

I have some Tom Ford and Kiton stuff but it's all either from sample sales or heavily discounted so I paid well less than half MSRP.

But you make a good point - I love fine clothing but believe someone shouldn't be judged by it automatically. But in some circles, that absolutely happens - and you'd better play along.

I like your focus on not paying MSRP

People too often don't understand the notion of value. Getting $300 shoes that last for 5-10 years, are incredibly comfortable, are truly and actually designed for podiatric health, and classically aesthetically designed is indisputably a better value than getting $100 shoes that need to be replaced every 2 years, are ugly, and aren't ergonomically designed - even though it's more expensive. Up front price matters nothing in terms of the value equation, so long as it doesn't effect an other more essential area of your life.

Taking that a step further, getting $600 shoes (that area already justifiable at their full retail price) for $300 is also an indisputably good value.
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I think the problem with the $500 shoe argument is that most people do not have the time to take care of the leather. When I was a child, growing up in a land far far away, in a school with uniforms, we used to polish our shoes every night to make sure the prefect does not single us out. That was also a time and place where I could get custom fit shoes. While most good brands offer many widths, there is nothing like a custom made fit.

So the question is whether I should get a $100-$150 shoe which may not be resoled for ten years, but will give you good service, will be ergonomically as good as the $600 shoe, and perhaps more comfortable since it uses more modern materials which may not offer the feel of tradition but are a result of extensive research on what works on the foot.

I do agree with you about finely made clothes being something to enjoy, the slave labor generated mass market products, has pretty much killed the affordable segment. You either get the China (or her colonies) made material, or you have to drop three-figures/four figures to get the entry into the exclusive clubs. That middle ground of affordable nicely made stuff seems to have met its end.

And I also agree with you about the matress: bough a Sterns and Foster many moons ago but did not go back once they got bought over. Now it is custom configured stuff from European Sleep Works, even got it shipped to the East Coast from Berkeley.

 

[computerpro3]

While I do agree with you about finely made clothes being something to enjoy, the slave labor generated mass market products, has pretty much killed the affordable segment. You either get the China (or her colonies) made material, or you have to drop three-figures/four figures to get the entry into the exclusive clubs. That middle ground of affordable nicely made stuff seems to have met its end.

This is true in every industry. It's a tragedy and incredibly ironic. I look at people like Charles and Ray Eames and how their vision was to bring great products to the masses, and then watch in dismay as their items have become outrageously expensive status symbols.

An Eames plywood chair is $700. The entire point of making a plywood chair - and of their inventing a revolutionary new moulding process - was to make a chair out of a single inexpensive, widely available material. Hell, look at the whole mid-century movement - even architects like Eichler have their homes going for a premium now, when that was the opposite of their intent.

There is no middle ground anymore. You want a sofa (something I just went through)? Everything below $2500 is unequivocally shit. You won't find a made in USA dress shirt that is high quality under the $80 MSRP of the brooks brothers stuff. You can't find good shoes under $200+ Allen Edmonds (which are almost universally ugly, though I have a pair of wonderful Cliffords). Hell, look at all the piece of shit $399 laptops being sold. Vacuums under $500 outright lie and are complete shit, same with every single washer and dryer from a non-german (and in some cases Japanese) companies.

The only way for an average person to get quality goods is to watch deals like a hawk, or to buy used. I do both.

And honestly, part of the reason I'm so hard on people that don't understand or care about that is because it's their faults. If nobody bought crap, nobody would continue manufacturing it. Congratulations, those of you who don't understand the rationale for buying quality goods, or who care so little about your lives that you are content with surrounding yourselves with shit. You've successfully devolved society.

 

[aviat72]

And regarding care of good shoes, here is an interesting article from a store near by.
The last sentence is perhaps a good indication of what good shoes might need in terms of care (this is specific to Cordovan...)

http://www.alden-of-carmel.com/index.cfm/care_of_shell_cordovan.htm

March, 2006.

Recently, a good customer of Alden shoes offered these care tips for brand new shell cordovan shoes, in order to help protect the leather from water and other elements.

Using a fine cloth, apply a very thin layer of paste wax (not cream) on the shoes. Rub this paste wax in very carefully for about 5 minutes. Wait 1/2 hour and repeat process. Then wait another 1/2 hour, and repeat process a third time.

After this, dip the same fine cloth in water, and rub thoroughly in a cicrular motion until the shine begins to appear. (The cloth should not be really wet. The cloth should just be dipped in water for a very short time, so that the cloth is damp.) But if you rub thoroughly you should see a very thin film of water on the leather for a short time.

When dry, brush with a soft horse hair brush, then polish with a soft cloth.

For cleaning the shoes, use a damp cloth to remove dirt and dust, and a dry cloth for buffing the shoes. This is all that is necessary.

Repeat this polishing process a few times a year, only when necessary.

This process should help guard your new shell cordovan shoes from water and the elements.

Ideally, shoes should rest for two or more days with shoe trees, between wearings.

 

[wiseoracle]

This thread is stupid and pointless.

To the guy who talks about to the average person.... Um hello... 80% of us are average people. So why would this even be a good deal if you're going to be a snob about it?

 

[computerpro3]

This thread is stupid and pointless.

To the guy who talks about to the average person.... Um hello... 80% of us are average people. So why would this even be a good deal if you're going to be a snob about it?

It's only a stupid and pointless thread if you lack comprehension and critical thinking skills. Don't get mad at us if that is the case

If you read the last page of this thread and still don't get it, then I'm very sorry for you.

At least two people have benefitted and placed orders as a result of this thread. If you don't care about it, then there's a great button in the corner of your screen that looks like an "x."

 

[Radical]

And honestly, part of the reason I'm so hard on people that don't understand or care about that is because it's their faults. If nobody bought crap, nobody would continue manufacturing it. Congratulations, those of you who don't understand the rationale for buying quality goods, or who care so little about your lives that you are content with surrounding yourselves with shit. You've successfully devolved society.

Suck my dick.

 

[computerpro3]

Suck my dick.

Your masterstroke of intellectual debate has made me reconsider my positions. I was wrong all along guys.

 

[rudy]

I can understand that if you were to use the same exact pair of shoes say 5 days a week every week for 10 years well then $400 is just fine and reasonable. Buy yourself something nice. In fact I have used the same pair of shoes for a very long time, about 6 years almost every day but anyhow I only paid $80 for them.

That being said I think comp pro makes several statements that are not realistic. The fact is a company which makes $100 shoes can make them look just like these bone stock super boring shoes, or they can make them look way better (which is not hard given how average these shoes look). Also a company that sells many times the units of these shoes can afford all the specialists it needs to make them feel good, and be healthy. Absolutely no reason they cannot do this. That is the beauty of mass production.

I personally stay busy and honestly no way I am going to waste my time taking proper care of leather shoes to make them last long. I will expect that anyone who can afford these or more expensive shoes should also be pretty busy.

I would also assume anyone who cares so much about their appearence to others that specific classes (read prices) of shoes are needed will also not be letting their wardrobe become so out dated that something lasts 10 years.

What I am trying to say is that alot of things just do not add up for the reasons for buying something like this and the arguements you have made in favor of them.

That is fine though I mean people waste money on bose speakers and louis vuitton purses and make similar claims, and all these other brands which offer a tiny bit more than the ultra mass produced stuff but charge 4 to 400 times more for it. The real main reason people buy this stuff is status, that is all. Logic and reason do not add up, the rest of the world figured out that it was a whole lot more valueable to just buy cheaper stuff and replace it as desired.

 

[computerpro3]

I can understand that if you were to use the same exact pair of shoes say 5 days a week every week for 10 years well then $400 is just fine and reasonable. Buy yourself something nice. In fact I have used the same pair of shoes for a very long time, about 6 years almost every day but anyhow I only paid $80 for them.

That being said I think comp pro makes several statements that are not realistic. The fact is a company which makes $100 shoes can make them look just like these bone stock super boring shoes, or they can make them look way better (which is not hard given how average these shoes look). Also a company that sells many times the units of these shoes can afford all the specialists it needs to make them feel good, and be healthy. Absolutely no reason they cannot do this. That is the beauty of mass production.

I personally stay busy and honestly no way I am going to waste my time taking proper care of leather shoes to make them last long. I will expect that anyone who can afford these or more expensive shoes should also be pretty busy.

I would also assume anyone who cares so much about their appearence to others that specific classes (read prices) of shoes are needed will also not be letting their wardrobe become so out dated that something lasts 10 years.

What I am trying to say is that alot of things just do not add up for the reasons for buying something like this and the arguements you have made in favor of them.

That is fine though I mean people waste money on bose speakers and louis vuitton purses and make similar claims, and all these other brands which offer a tiny bit more than the ultra mass produced stuff but charge 4 to 400 times more for it. The real main reason people buy this stuff is status, that is all. Logic and reason do not add up, the rest of the world figured out that it was a whole lot more valueable to just buy cheaper stuff and replace it as desired.

I understand where you are coming from; your arguments would make sense if there wasn't a lot of incorrect information in there.

First, good design has very little to do with mass production. In fact, it's incredibly how poorly most mass produced goods in any industry are designed. Look at any product you own, and I'll bet you can pick out four or five design flaws in under five minutes. I know I can. Just because companies CAN afford to hire good designers, it does not mean they do. Why? For the same reason that they COULD afford to make their products in the USA from quality goods but don't. They'd rather pocket the money and keep getting you to buy shit.

Second, whether or not it is taken care of, the better the leather is, the more durable it is. Higher grade leathers are actually thicker; full grain leather is literally twice as thick as split grain, and will not crease like cheap corrected grain will. So that argument is moot. Plus - when real leather is nearly completely destroyed, you can send it off for a modest fee to be made like new.

Third, "trends" change every 10 years or less. Good design does not. There are objective design parameters that are innately good. Adherence to the golden ratio, for example. Elegant, sleek lines. Many of those lasts that those shoes are made on have been used for upwards of fifty to even one hundred years. A perfect example of the difference between trends and true style are what I call "duck bill platypus shoes." These are made by Alfani, Calvin Klein, etc and feature a square toe that is angled up. These are what is pushed on the mass market, but they have in fact literally never broached the echelon of well designed shoes. Why? Because they just aren't well designed! They look like shit on people. I crack up every time I see some poor schmoe wearing them, inevitably in pants that are too long and making the square toes look like he's wearing scuba diving paddles on his feet. Look at the pictures of the best dressed men of the past - Gregory Peck, Cary Grant, etc. They are not wearing those. They are, however, wearing shoes on the same lasts as the classic Edward Green, Crockett and Jones, etc shoes are manufactured on. Same goes for JFK, etc, and every well-dressed man going back to the beginning of style as an ideal. A blue navy blazer that is conservatively cut will never go out of style. Same with classically designed shoes. That's just one more reason why they are a great value.

Did you know that these shoe companies all have roots in the working class? These English shoemakers started out as literally local shoemakers to serve the community. These shoes - with the same ultra high quality construction methods they use today - were considered a necessity. Every working man owned quality shoes. Somewhere along the way, mass production combined with greed and marketing and convinced people to buy lesser and lesser quality shoes. Eventually the shops lost so much volume that most went out of business, with consumers ignorantly buying lesser quality goods (and accepting marketing claims that they were just as good). The ones that survived were forced to raise their prices, which leaves us with the few last remaining shoemakers that we have today.

Whether you like it or not, we objectively have less quality clothing items at affordable price than we did fifty years ago, largely because of consumer ignorance. If you're not being a solution to that problem, then you're a part of it.

 

[rudy]

My point is that the consumer is not as ignorant as you think. They have realized somethings are just not worth all the extra costs.

There is nothing incorrect in my arguement. So what if the leather is thicker, if I scuff it bad you are not going to fix it period. How much exactly is it going to cost me to refinish one of these shoes if I do minor damage? $10? I bet not. Plus shipping time to package it up and send it in? How about new soles? If the leather is thicker the shoe is heavier and that is less comfortable than light shoes. Sometimes you know plastic is just better than metal or glass.

I am not saying these are all exactly the case but you get my drift, consumers make descisions on alot of levels. You seem to be fairly sure that what you believe is right, and it may be for you but not for others. But for some consumers they just may not care about any of that because their time is more valuable than polishing leather and sending shoes in to get them resoled and finished every couple years.

I understand why you have this opinion it becomes obvious in your condescending tone of other peoples dress, but you know that guy with the cK shoes might look at you in a equally condescending manor wondering why you are wearing grandpas shoes to a serious meeting. He probably chose his shoes cause he liked the look, or maybe his girlfriend even said she liked it, which is the ultimate definition of what a man decides to wear.

If you came out honest to me and said I feel like these shoes are a brand that offers a good comfortable shoe with decent materials and is a brand I can get away with wearing when I go meet with condescending old judgemental assholes then I would have probably said ya cool he is honest about it at least. I was a kid once I bought name brand stuff and over paid for it, I still have a soft spot for some of those brands but I will admit that my reasons for buying them have little to do with good value and quality.

 

[Thrash]

(I usually stay out of these discussions, but since I bought the shoes I guess that gives me the incentive to chime in...)

I understand where you are coming from; your arguments would make sense if there wasn't a lot of incorrect information in there.

[snip]

Whether you like it or not, we objectively have less quality clothing items at affordable price than we did fifty years ago, largely because of consumer ignorance. If you're not being a solution to that problem, then you're a part of it.

When you lose the overly pretentious, condescending tone, you actually make very valid arguments. This may be one of your best posts on this forum. I honestly believe you aren't trying to be condescending, but you have to remember the decidedly plebeian nature of the majority on the [H]. People automatically get defensive when you start showing off the superior quality of your goods and they know they either don't understand why it's better, can't afford it, or both. I figured you would have realized that by now, yet the way you react doesn't do you any favors in terms of making friends around here. Feel free to show off a little (there are few of us here that "get it", but we ARE here), but strive to educate in the process. If people start flaming you as they are wont to do, then you need to modify your technique instead of returning the flames.

You have a unique platform afforded to you by your status and the life you have built for yourself. I admire that. Steward it well.

Merry Christmas, and thanks for the shoes.

 

[wiseoracle]

It's only a stupid and pointless thread if you lack comprehension and critical thinking skills. Don't get mad at us if that is the case

If you read the last page of this thread and still don't get it, then I'm very sorry for you.

At least two people have benefitted and placed orders as a result of this thread. If you don't care about it, then there's a great button in the corner of your screen that looks like an "x."

I think you lack the comprehension and critical thinking. What is this a math test? Your ability to try to mock me by using words that don't involve this shitty thread. It's just a dick measuring contest. If you didn't understand my point, then you may just lack the comprehension period.

Go troll else where.

 

[wiseoracle]

My point is that the consumer is not as ignorant as you think. They have realized somethings are just not worth all the extra costs.

BOOM! He hit the nail on this perfectly. Most of us forum members do our research before buying our products.

Anyone can put a value on anything, based on their own criteria.

I would personally NEVER buy these ugly 600 dollar shoes. You know why? Fashion trends change rapidly. I mean if I wanted to look like an old man wearing these, then by golly I will buy them.

I don't think he(comppro) even understood that some people would just rather buy new shoes if their current $100 dollar shoes fell apart after 3-4 years of regular use.

Nobody off the street is going to say... "Oh wow.. are those BB P and Co shoes...."

Instead he mocks people like, "Oh you're a poor average person, you just wouldn't understand you heaven!"

 

[steal]

BOOM!

I would personally NEVER buy these ugly 600 dollar shoes. You know why? Fashion trends change rapidly. I mean if I wanted to look like an old man wearing these, then by golly I will buy them."

You don't know shit about shit, dude. Fashoin "trends" in men's footwear do not change rapidly, in fact, they haven't changed much at all in the past 100 years. A pair of C&J or Alden shoes will last you quite literally a lifetime because formal and semi-formal styles have, and will remain mostly the same until you're an old man.

Dress like a manchild if you want, I don't give a fuck, but don't pretend that you have even the slightest bit of understanding when it comes to men's fashion, and especially not fine leather shoes like the ones the OP was kind enough to link us to. I won't be buying a pair (I'm partial towards Alden myself), but a pair of basic cap toe bluchers like the ones linked on the site could possibly be the last black or brown pair of semi-formal shoes you buy for the next 20 years.

There is a world of difference in not only quality, but looks. If you can't tell the difference between some shitty ECCO shoe like below, with ugly, plastic-looking leather:

And a nice pair of Aldens:

...then you're simply blind.

 

[Thrash]

I would personally NEVER buy these ugly 600 dollar shoes. You know why? Fashion trends change rapidly. I mean if I wanted to look like an old man wearing these, then by golly I will buy them.

There's a difference between "trendy" and having your own distinct style. Maybe these shoes don't fit your own particular style, but that's why people like you don't buy them! It remains a fact that these shoes would have looked just as contemporary 80 years ago to fans of what is known as "permanent fashion" (see: Alan Flusser's Dressing the Man) as they do to a number of us right now. Just because they aren't covered in velcro, hipster colors and swoosh logos doesn't mean that they aren't "in style" or that they are specifically grandpa shoes. I'm currently in my mid-twenties and my new medium-brown monk straps will look pretty damn fantastic with my favorite slim cut charcoal grey pinstripe suit without making me appear out of touch with whatever trend you might be referring to at present.

The point is that trends DO change rapidly, but that these shoes are an example of what lies outside of the bounds of any trend, and will remain in popular appeal for likely the rest of your shoe-wearing lifetime. Don't knock them just because they don't appeal to you.

 

[DudeItsMe]

Will my dog be able to taste the difference?

True story, dog tore up my last pair of dress shoes Thankfully they were cheap.

 

[sed8em]

And honestly, part of the reason I'm so hard on people that don't understand or care about that is because it's their faults. If nobody bought crap, nobody would continue manufacturing it. Congratulations, those of you who don't understand the rationale for buying quality goods, or who care so little about your lives that you are content with surrounding yourselves with shit. You've successfully devolved society.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Buy nice or buy twice.

 

[mattchapman]

Jeez...a guy tries to alert others to a discount price and he gets roasted! What has this forum become?! At Christmas no less!

Not every deal can please everyone. If you are not interested in this one just move on.

 

[halcyon]

I LoL'd at this thread (so did my wife!). I can appreciate buying something quality and using it for a long time, but I'm not quite ready to pay that much for dress shoes I only wear once a week at best.

But out of curiosity, computerpro3 do you own any Bang & Olufsen products?

 

[jkw]

Jeez...a guy tries to alert others to a discount price and he gets roasted! What has this forum become?! At Christmas no less!

Not every deal can please everyone. If you are not interested in this one just move on.

A few people may have been offended by his suggestion that they're "too cheap, poor, or stupid" if they don't buy these shoes. He then called other forum users "neck beards (who) spend (more money) on GPU's and cheetos to fuel your WOW addiction."

 

[Ryom]

I'd 5 star this thread for sheer entertainment factor if I could.

 

[mattchapman]

A few people may have been offended by his suggestion that they're "too cheap, poor, or stupid" if they don't buy these shoes. He then called other forum users "neck beards (who) spend (more money) on GPU's and cheetos to fuel your WOW addiction."

OK that was uncalled for. Sigh...

 

[ebolamonkey]

Brooks Brothers. They make good Navy Dress Blue jackets.

 

[Alai]

This is an excellent deal if you are into high quality clothing. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[SilverSliver]

Your thread said "HOT", so I wanted to find out why it was hot.

Do your Brooks Brothers shoes improve the speed of applications performing encryption and decryption using the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)?

Stop trolling. This is a good deal on nice shoes. Neckbeards and manchildren need not apply.

 

[rudy]

It is still not tech, if no one locks this maybe I will just start posting deals on purses, bed sheets and mens briefs. reminds me of that crazy post about those shirts a while ago. One can only wonder why anyone thought this was a good or appropriate place to post it.

 

[Grentz]

I research beyond belief on things, I also buy quality items and am a strong believer in quality over quantity. There are also limits though. I don't see the incremental increase in value vs. price worth it in going from a $100-$150 shoe to a $500 one. Law of diminishing returns.

Combined with the fact that not one of those shoes is attractive to me, and I prefer a driver style shoe, makes me a non-buyer. Good deal for those interested though.

 

[computerpro3]

I research beyond belief on things, I also buy quality items and am a strong believer in quality over quantity. There are also limits though. I don't see the incremental increase in value vs. price worth it in going from a $100-$150 shoe to a $500 one. Law of diminishing returns.

Can you expound on the various shoe construction techniques, materials, and philosophies of last designs off the top of your head? Can you explain why one welt might be better for a particular application than another?

If not, than you probably are not informed enough to accurately judge value vs. price, or the law of diminishing returns. This is something that many in this thread do not understand.

I'm not saying this to be a dick; it's just reality check. I know nothing about lumberjacking, but you won't find me espousing on the value curve of different axes. And the difference between me and a lot of people here is that if a lumberjack enthusiast told me what makes a quality axe, I'd have the brains to fucking listen to him instead of telling him that my Home Depot Special is good as it gets.

The singular argument that is valid is simply if you don't often wear shoes. Great! If you wear dress shoes 3-4 times a year, get $100 ones. Buying $500 ones would be stupid. But if you wear them regularly, than yes - objectively it's pretty dumb not to get quality ones.

This is the way the dress shoe market works:

Every shoe between $30-75 is identical in quality and construction.

Every shoe between $75 and $175ish is identical in quality and construction. This is only marginally better than the $30-75 range. Sometimes there is no difference besides the design. Yes, there is literally no difference between $75 Bostonians and $175 Bostonians. Trust me, I made that mistake when I was younger. Occasionally you can find a shoe that has some high end features, but compromises in other areas. For instance, Johnston and Murphy makes a goodyear welted shoe, but it's in highly corrected grain leather. You can resole it just as well as $500 shoes, but it looks like shit due to the corrected grain leather creasing. Once again, this is another mistake I made when I was younger and didn't know anything.

Shoes around $200-250 begin to be Goodyear Welted and made of real non-corrected leather. This is the entry level for a quality shoe.

It doesn't really matter if you understand this or not; it's reality. You can call the sky purple polka-dotted all day long, but at the end of the day it's still blue.

It is still not tech, if no one locks this maybe I will just start posting deals on purses, bed sheets and mens briefs. reminds me of that crazy post about those shirts a while ago. One can only wonder why anyone thought this was a good or appropriate place to post it.

Doesn't have to be tech, and multiple people have ordered from this very thread. And I recommend Glaser Designs for the man bag, Sferra Bros. for the bed sheets, and actually, I don't know anything about mens briefs. Strange, I know.

I LoL'd at this thread (so did my wife!). I can appreciate buying something quality and using it for a long time, but I'm not quite ready to pay that much for dress shoes I only wear once a week at best.

But out of curiosity, computerpro3 do you own any Bang & Olufsen products?

That is a valid argument, and one I can respect. I guess I overestimated the intelligence of some posters and just assumed it went without saying not to buy $300 shoes if you never wear them.

I do not own Bang and Olufsen - in my mind they are the same mass market crap as Bostonian, Cole Haan, etc. For audio, I prefer Grado headphones for the colored signature that I find pleasing, Elemental Designs EDC6 speakers for cinema, Seaton Submersive for subwoofer, Dantax (with peerless drivers) for 2 channel, and in the car I use JM Labs Focal K2P backed by Zapco amplification.

 

[ryken]

I'm so torn on this thread.

On one hand, the shoes look great and I would be in for a pair if I needed a new pair.

On the other hand, I know CP3 just likes to post expensive clothing stuff in hot deals so he can troll by being a total douche to people for their lack of style while simultaneously flaunting his wealth (see Macallan 21 reference: a $200 bottle of scotch).

Honestly, if you have never put on a pair of $250+ dress shoes, you don't realize how much better they really are. Shoes are computers, you can't just look at the specs and figure out the best price/performance ratio. It's a different product.

 

[runnin17]

It is still not tech, if no one locks this maybe I will just start posting deals on purses, bed sheets and mens briefs. reminds me of that crazy post about those shirts a while ago. One can only wonder why anyone thought this was a good or appropriate place to post it.

I would like updates on hot men's brief deals please. I don't have a website dedicated to just that, so a regularly updated thread on on men's brief hot deals would be welcome

 

[computerpro3]

On the other hand, I know CP3 just likes to post expensive clothing stuff in hot deals so he can troll by being a total douche to people for their lack of style while simultaneously flaunting his wealth (see Macallan 21 reference: a $200 bottle of scotch).\.

Did you really take my Macallan reference seriously?

 

[Kenworth]

I'd 5 star this thread for sheer entertainment factor if I could.

Ditto. It's like you want to jump in but don't want to redirect it!

 

[Avalanche]

CP3 just piggy backs off of his dad. No big deal.

 

[jkw]

On the other hand, I know CP3 just likes to post expensive clothing stuff in hot deals so he can troll by being a total douche to people for their lack of style while simultaneously flaunting his wealth (see Macallan 21 reference: a $200 bottle of scotch).

I had no idea CP3 did this regularly. This has been such a highly entertaining thread on multiple levels that I'm going to have to subscribe to CP3.

 

[Avalanche]

I had no idea CP3 did this regularly. This has been such a highly entertaining thread on multiple levels that I'm going to have to subscribe to CP3.

He does it all the time in GenMay too. Quite annoying, really.

 

[BurntToast]

does it play crysis?

 

[ebolamonkey]

It's only $200 a bottle? That's about right. Check Remy and Johnny. Same price range.

I thought it was odd to find this in [H] deals as well and this probably would do better over at Fatwallet or Slickdeals. I recently purchased some Bosch Distance Plus oil filters for $5.40 AR and thought about posting that deal here but I figured it wasn't a good idea.