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As far as all the others griping about the lack of benchmarks for the K10, I have two words for you: OSBORNE EFFECT.
Heh, probably the first time I'll ever say it, being it is the Inquirer and all, but... Go Charlie go! I don't get why it is so hard for some people to accept the not so far fetched possibility that AMD can come out with a quad at 3.0Ghz at this point in time,(or in this case, two of them, even though they are engineering samples) After all, AMD is are one of the most secretive microchip companies out there when it comes to their next gen stuff. As far as all the others griping about the lack of benchmarks for the K10, I have two words for you: OSBORNE EFFECT.
Osborne effect is already occurring, whether or not they give us benches. If anything, it would only quantify the gains we would get from upgrading. Anyone who was waiting for the K10 wasn't about to waste more money on K8 platform anyway.
I dont think he was saying it was happening, I think what he was trying to say is that AMD is trying to prevent it from happening?
if it has anything to do with the inquirer im not really interested...
Well,apparently its hailed as gospel now,at least on this forum.
Undoubtedly Agena and Agena FX work. We suspect that clock speeds aren't quite as high as they need to be but we don't doubt that AMD can get there by its scheduled release sometime in the second half of this year.
Well, if supposedly highly-regarded sites like Anand and DT are blasting AMD so severely without even being present at the demonstration, then the only prevailing industry conspiracy is the one wrongfully berating AMD. 'Tis truly sad we've come to this.DailyTech = FAIL
Kristopher Kubecki = Day old turd
Here is what Anand said:
Link
" In the end, performance was absolutely terrible. We're beginning to understand why AMD didn't let us test Barcelona last month. It's not that AMD is waiting to surprise Intel; it's that the platform just isn't ready for production yet."
Was he even there, either? It didn't sound like people that were THERE felt that way. AMD has enough of a hard road without idiots like KK making things up. Shame on them!!!
article said:It was running an aluminium HSF with a few heat pipes and a bog stock fan.
you should have put "IMO" at the end of your statement.but clouding the issues like this do not help,they only hurt.
I was going to reply to your similar point recently posted in the sticky thread which brings up the same questions. Whatever anyone's position is regarding AMD's recent two machine demonstration, Manny has an irrefutably legitimate concern, and everyone should be asking themselves the same questions.Although the fact that they would not let even Kyle take a gander at the system props does stink,of some sort of funny business.What do they have to hide ? I would like independant benchmarks,and think we have all waited long enough for them.! AMDati needs to release some very,very soon,like say,last month.Screen caps dont cut it in the tech world.Not for this enthusiast,or this investor.
Again,ask yourself ?? Why would they not allow sys prop views,etc ?
Edit: I agree with Caf,
Caffeinated,IF,Kubicki was really not at that event,then I agree,he's a fraud.He has yet to respond though,and the INQ article assumes all journos were at the event at the same time,and assuming usually gets you looking like a fool,and a tool.
Totally agree. I wanted to avoid the question of truthful reporting in the other thread, but since it surfaced, it really boils down to who you want to believe. Either the journalists and AMD are lying or they aren't. Either the berators are telling the truth or they are outright lying. I'm with the journalists, because there isn't a middle ground here.I think not. KK/DT either was not there, was completely incapacitated at the event, told a lie or a combination of all three. OR, Steve didn't really take those pictures, Charlie didn't really take the pictures he posted, and THEY are lying. Which I don't buy..
When we start questioning the field of jornalism so critically, the whole concept of the 4th Estate as a check to higher powers comes to question. Be careful.
When we start questioning the field of jornalism so critically, the whole concept of the 4th Estate as a check to higher powers comes to question. Be careful.
So I take it Anand is on Intels marketing payroll as well ?
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2986&p=7
The INQ is a pariah,mostly always has been one,but the second it claims to support AMD fans views,(or I should really say,their hopes and dreams),its the second coming ?
Something is not right here.
I never claimed the chip was not running at 3Ghz,others on this forum did.
Although the fact that they would not let even Kyle take a gander at the system props does stink,of some sort of funny business.What do they have to hide ? I would like independant benchmarks,and think we have all waited long enough for them.! AMDati needs to release some very,very soon,like say,last month.Screen caps dont cut it in the tech world.Not for this enthusiast,or this investor.
Again,ask yourself ?? Why would they not allow sys prop views,etc ? I hope beyond hope that they launch a succesful product,and make shareholders and enthusiasts all happy,
but clouding the issues like this do not help,they only hurt.
Edit: I agree with Caf,
Caffeinated,IF,Kubicki was really not at that event,then I agree,he's a fraud.He has yet to respond though,and the INQ article assumes all journos were at the event at the same time,and assuming usually gets you looking like a fool,and a tool.
IF,Kubicki was really not at that event,then I agree,he's a fraud.He has yet to respond though
If he was not at the event do you really think for one minute that he would admit it after what the Inq reporter stated? He'd be admitting that he is a fraud - something I highly doubt he would do. No, he'd be doing exactly what he's doing now - keeping mum and hoping that in a few month's time no one will remember this little episode
Ou's blog said:There were questions raised because the initial photograph that made the rounds over the Tech news sites were identical and I was told that it was a “canned” photo sent out to various journalists the day before the analyst meeting with an NDA release date of noon the next day during the Analyst meeting.
Ou's blog said:I have a hard time agreeing with Demerjian’s conclusion that the folks at Intel where having “heart attacks” over this news given the roadmaps of the two companies.
I've already been well versed on about it here and on various other forums(particularly when Intel was doing the "yard sale" for their warehouse full of what some termed "obsolete" P4 wares right before C2D's release last year for example) but thanks for assuming anyway!
3. Properties were visible showing the speed of the system - 3.0 ghz
That brings us to the speeds, a matter of much speculation. Let me end it. Both boxes were reporting 3.0Ghz and four cores through Windows MeII and the BIOS. If there is a way to fake Me II (Vistula) reading the speeds, I don't know the trick. In any case, it would be pretty hard to run CoJ and Stranglehold smoothly at high rez with low clocked CPUs.
Ahaha, KK's transgressions will be remembered for a long time. And it's not like he was "drunk and blurted it out". He made a conscious decision to be a total ass and knowingly spread FUD. DailyTech's honesty and integrity will remain in question for years.
And to make matters worse - infamous Intel shrill George Ou took KK's statements as fact in his latest blog entry:
Gee, and I suppose he didn't even question his source for that information? *slaps forehead* Silly me, KK is in the same camp as Ou. Of course he would never question KK's information.
And the funniest part of it all - again reaffirming my friend's confession (as an Intel intern) about Intel's utter disdain for the Inq:
Only an Intel fanboy would even bother mentioning the line about "heart attacks" at the end of Inq's narrative.
It's rare to see a site get corrected by the Inq.
It's rare to see a site get corrected by the Inq.
Yes, I also doubt it will be a poor performer unless AMD only releases a very low clockrate for their initial batches of chips. This isn't Tualatin>Netburst, or the HD2900 (which is steadily improving), it's a refined K8 with double the number of cores and L3 cache. How bad can it be?There are hints that Barcelona performs well - the barometers are there, and there are plenty of hints that it doesn't suck..