NoOther
Supreme [H]ardness
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- May 14, 2008
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Wow, where to start. I read this entire thread, but this post here just explains it all to me:
1) You didn't decide to do a refund, you were forced into it. That is plainly obvious. And you were forced into it by obviously being shady, not just to us here, but to PayPal themselves. All of this could have been avoided if you hadn't had such a poor attitude and reading comprehension skills. You started out being the asshole to the buying, and continued to be the asshole in here. The buyer gave you ever benefit of the doubt. As the saying goes, better to be a silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. Which is what you have done here.
2) Where it all falls apart for you is the continual lies and misrepresentation. Following the PMs that were there, clearly there was troubleshooting done before he posted here. Clearly he attempted to settle it amicably through you before posting here. On the other hand, all you have done is come here and attack everyone. That is how your reputation is being dragged through the mud.
3) You keep saying he damaged it with the screws. But you have zero proof of that. And the screws were put in to secure the backplate. And here is where your entire story falls apart. You say you tested the card, that all the screws were accounted for and secure, and that you securely packaged the product. So how did the screws come loose? Are you suggesting that screws magically just appeared in the packaging that you wrapped so securely? Or are you suggesting that while no severe outside damage was shown on the packaging, the screws shook loose even though you "securely" packaged it? Exactly what is your play here?
4) You didn't have a legitimate reason for any of your actions. You had no legitimate reason to ask for gift payment. You had no legitimate reason to keep forcing him to go through troubleshooting steps that he obvious said he went through. You had no legitimate reason to try and force him to do an RMA on a product you sold him which didn't work upon arrival (and yes, working for only an hour does not constitute "working"). And you have no legitimate reason for denying refund as many here have stated and as PayPal clearly thinks.
You got caught trying to pad your wallet. You should have just apologized and offered the refund the minute this thread opened. You could have saved yourself again when you started seeing all the negative responses you were getting from members here. Finally you could have remained silent when you learned PayPal was getting involved as you, yourself admitted. Now your reputation here is ruined, your PayPal is likely going to be hung up for awhile, and you have no legs left to stand on.
What I think truly happened is this: you bought 2 cards for lowered prices hoping at least one if not both would be good. You tried the cards and one of them worked, the other had issues. Perhaps you thought the issues were heat related and tried to mount an alternate cooling solution. That may or may not have worked, but you decided just to sell the card instead. In your haste to get rid of a bad investment, you didn't secure the card properly. Now you are trying to avoid paying the piper for a mistake you made. Your attitude here is probably worse simply because this is the first time you tried to get away with something like this, and you are upset that you messed up and got caught. So now you are mad at yourself and deflecting it to the forum. Of course the other alternative is that you bought the cards just to resell, which given your post history seems just as likely, but would look even worse for you for not even checking out the card before reselling it.
See, I can do the assumption game just like you, only I would say my assumptions are far more reasonable.
PayPal has made me do nothing.
I didn't even have to respond for another 10 days.
I pmed You yesterday and told you I would give you a refund before
I knew they were involved. I have no money in my account so I could just
Move on if I chose to. We could have worked this out before if you weren't
acting like some smart ass punk the hole time. You started this thread up before
You even did some simple trouble shooting I asked you to do and before I gave you
an answer. After you pissed me off with all your bs I really didn't care anymore.
Most real Tech guys like me could tell you that most graphic card problems don't
cause reboots everytime as you were describing after the last test you did unless
the card is damaged internally and it wasn't damaged internally here.
Either way I will find out when it gets here because
if it don't work I will take it a part and see if you damaged it with the screws. If you want
your refund I would advise you to remove that Eval from my heat like I ask you to do nicely yesterday when I offered you a refund and you acted like a asshole again and I will do the same for you.
I have to send the funds because there isn't any in there.
Good to see how some of the members put you down after doing business here for 5 years and 157-0.
I didn't get there by ripping people off and far as the gift payment goes I only ask that on expensive items and all you have to do is say no.
I had a legitimate reason to deny his refund and he had a warranty to fall back on.
Thanks guy's.
1) You didn't decide to do a refund, you were forced into it. That is plainly obvious. And you were forced into it by obviously being shady, not just to us here, but to PayPal themselves. All of this could have been avoided if you hadn't had such a poor attitude and reading comprehension skills. You started out being the asshole to the buying, and continued to be the asshole in here. The buyer gave you ever benefit of the doubt. As the saying goes, better to be a silent and thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. Which is what you have done here.
2) Where it all falls apart for you is the continual lies and misrepresentation. Following the PMs that were there, clearly there was troubleshooting done before he posted here. Clearly he attempted to settle it amicably through you before posting here. On the other hand, all you have done is come here and attack everyone. That is how your reputation is being dragged through the mud.
3) You keep saying he damaged it with the screws. But you have zero proof of that. And the screws were put in to secure the backplate. And here is where your entire story falls apart. You say you tested the card, that all the screws were accounted for and secure, and that you securely packaged the product. So how did the screws come loose? Are you suggesting that screws magically just appeared in the packaging that you wrapped so securely? Or are you suggesting that while no severe outside damage was shown on the packaging, the screws shook loose even though you "securely" packaged it? Exactly what is your play here?
4) You didn't have a legitimate reason for any of your actions. You had no legitimate reason to ask for gift payment. You had no legitimate reason to keep forcing him to go through troubleshooting steps that he obvious said he went through. You had no legitimate reason to try and force him to do an RMA on a product you sold him which didn't work upon arrival (and yes, working for only an hour does not constitute "working"). And you have no legitimate reason for denying refund as many here have stated and as PayPal clearly thinks.
You got caught trying to pad your wallet. You should have just apologized and offered the refund the minute this thread opened. You could have saved yourself again when you started seeing all the negative responses you were getting from members here. Finally you could have remained silent when you learned PayPal was getting involved as you, yourself admitted. Now your reputation here is ruined, your PayPal is likely going to be hung up for awhile, and you have no legs left to stand on.
What I think truly happened is this: you bought 2 cards for lowered prices hoping at least one if not both would be good. You tried the cards and one of them worked, the other had issues. Perhaps you thought the issues were heat related and tried to mount an alternate cooling solution. That may or may not have worked, but you decided just to sell the card instead. In your haste to get rid of a bad investment, you didn't secure the card properly. Now you are trying to avoid paying the piper for a mistake you made. Your attitude here is probably worse simply because this is the first time you tried to get away with something like this, and you are upset that you messed up and got caught. So now you are mad at yourself and deflecting it to the forum. Of course the other alternative is that you bought the cards just to resell, which given your post history seems just as likely, but would look even worse for you for not even checking out the card before reselling it.
See, I can do the assumption game just like you, only I would say my assumptions are far more reasonable.