DarthBeavis
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I am confused how experience in manufacturing water blocks and marketing waterblocks has anything at all to do with knowledge of basic thermal dynamics. If you could enlighten me on that one it would be a great help.
You don't need to have marketed water blocks to see that the cooling area above the core for the IONE is smaller, has less surface area, and will create less turbulence than its main competitors. Those are all bad things in terns of heat transfer. In fact the only good thing about the block is that it is slightly cheaper and likely is lower restriction. The lower restriction will probably have a hard time overcoming its shortcomings around the core area however.
THAT comes from the experience of many years of watercooling and a couple of university thermo dynamics courses, more than enough to know what is going on.
DangerDen is quickly becoming a mainstream company. They are no longer trying to service the enthusiast base that got them started. In order to become a mainstream company they need to improve profit margins. Performance also isn't nearly as important to the mainstream as "ooo shiny watercooling". Therefore DangerDen is trying to lower their manufacturing costs and increase their profit. I can't particularly hold it against DangerDen, it is good for them as a company, but still disappointing as a former loyal customer. I wanted to see DangerDen put out something really nice for their full cover block, something different, instead we got something that scrimped in an effort to lower costs with no concern for performance.
Look at DangerDens full cover blocks over the years. Graphics cores have been getting larger and hotter. Yet DangerDens cooling area for the cores have gotten smaller and less complex. Using less and/or smaller fins. Their design is moving backwards, and it is disappointing.
I am glad you can tell us what Danger Den is thinking . . .so you know the owenrs well I take it? I mean you must talk to them regularly to know what they are thinking when they make the choices they do? You are right about one thing: They are a business. I also run a multi-million dollar business. They had good products that work. Do they make everyone happy? No. That is why the market is large enough to have several good waterblock makers. If you do not like one, use another.
One thing you have no clue about is demand and how that has influenced what Danger Den does. Here lies the truth. Danger Den is not some large company. They have limited capacity. That is the fact. They are cautious and responsible in expanding . . .they are working on meeting their customers' needs. Now take it one step further. Danger Den is comprised of individuals . . .and these individuals are decent, hard-working people who really do care about this market and the customers.