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That OP's link is a virus / trojan.. I've clicked on it twice and it started "scanning" my system like I had some kind of "infected" C:\ drive. But, I've also clicked on it a few other times and it took me straight to the article.. so, just be careful.
God I hope so, I'm really interested in seeing what team green has up their sleeve. I wonder if they've had to reevaluate things since the 7000 is such a beast.
Let's see, fastest card of one full generation to the next:
X1950XTX->8800GTX: +92%
8800GTX->GTX280: +63%
GTX280->GTX480: +51%
GTX580->HD7970: +30% ===> beast?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...rten-evolution/3/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf
Standards sure are falling
Hey, you're preaching to the choir, but comparing the 7970 to the 6970, it's a pretty damn nice increase. Overclocked (and i hate to compare overclocks, but these cards scale amazingly) it is raping everything. I am actually really rooting for nv, even though I own amd cards, I'm absolutely not a fanboy. I think amd made a mistake jacking up their prices so much, that's why I can't wait to see what Kepler does.
Hey, you're preaching to the choir, but comparing the 7970 to the 6970, it's a pretty damn nice increase. Overclocked (and i hate to compare overclocks, but these cards scale amazingly) it is raping everything. I am actually really rooting for nv, even though I own amd cards, I'm absolutely not a fanboy. I think amd made a mistake jacking up their prices so much, that's why I can't wait to see what Kepler does.
That's the problem though... once you start comparing against your previous work you lose site of what's important. Namely, what the market expects relative to your competition. You don't get to sell and have your GPUs reviewed in a bubble... they are sold in the context of what else is available.
We're starting to encounter diminishing returns with Moore's Law. It's not exactly as easy to die-shrink something from 40nm to 28nm as it was to die shrink from 90nm to 65 or 55nm.Let's see, fastest card of one full generation to the next:
X1950XTX->8800GTX: +92%
8800GTX->GTX280: +63%
GTX280->GTX480: +51%
GTX580->HD7970: +30% ===> beast?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...rten-evolution/3/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf
Standards sure are falling
AMD's top single GPU has been rather consistantly aimed at a slightly lower die size/power consumption footprint than nVidias. Barring a major snafu, evidence from prior generations indicates that Kepler will probably be 10-20% faster than the 7970 (~50-60% faster than the 580), and priced accordingly higher than the 7970. Hopefully most of the price gap will come from AMD having to lower its prices than them being able to hold steady at $500 and nVidia at $650.Let's see, fastest card of one full generation to the next:
X1950XTX->8800GTX: +92%
8800GTX->GTX280: +63%
GTX280->GTX480: +51%
GTX580->HD7970: +30% ===> beast?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...rten-evolution/3/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf
Standards sure are falling
They don't want to do a paper launch...? That's not very reassuring.
AMD's top single GPU has been rather consistantly aimed at a slightly lower die size/power consumption footprint than nVidias. Barring a major snafu, evidence from prior generations indicates that Kepler will probably be 10-20% faster than the 7970 (~50-60% faster than the 580), and priced accordingly higher than the 7970. Hopefully most of the price gap will come from AMD having to lower its prices than them being able to hold steady at $500 and nVidia at $650.
AMD's top single GPU has been rather consistantly aimed at a slightly lower die size/power consumption footprint than nVidias. Barring a major snafu, evidence from prior generations indicates that Kepler will probably be 10-20% faster than the 7970 (~50-60% faster than the 580), and priced accordingly higher than the 7970. Hopefully most of the price gap will come from AMD having to lower its prices than them being able to hold steady at $500 and nVidia at $650.
Gotta disagree here. If AMD knew Kepler was going to smoke them, making as much money now as possible would be even more important.Sure, that's the status quo. Now who's willing to bet Kepler doesn't improve perf/mm^2 relative to Fermi from an architectural standpoint, notwithstanding the move to 28nm? AMD would be silly to set 7970 pricing where it is today if they knew nVidia could match them at a lower price point so common sense dictates that GK104 won't come anywhere near Tahiti. We've seen nVidia make that mistake already with GT200 vs Cypress but AMD isn't known for such hubris.
That's the problem though... once you start comparing against your previous work you lose site of what's important. Namely, what the market expects relative to your competition. You don't get to sell and have your GPUs reviewed in a bubble... they are sold in the context of what else is available.
Gotta disagree here. If AMD knew Kepler was going to smoke them, making as much money now as possible would be even more important.
And in case you guys haven't bothered to read the 7970 overclocking review on the front page, it's up to 80% faster than the 580 in some circumstances.
Careful with cherrypicking. If you want to play that game you can find examples of cards in the past that were 300-400% faster than their predecessors.
I hope nvidia kills the 7000 with what comes next...then a few months later AMD kills them. Then so on and so on!
Honestly though, I don't think Kepler is going to trounce the 7000 series. It may be slightly faster, but I really don't think it's going to walk all over it like the 580 did with the 6970. I could be completely wrong, but that's the feeling I get.
I believe that at stock speeds, Kepler will be faster than the 7000 series based on the previous years track record. However, the insane overclocking potential of the 7000 series makes it quite something.
Of course, Kepler on 28nm might overclock pretty well also. Does seem like AMD was conservative with the clockspeeds though - kind of wonder why.
Looking at the current AMD cards, I do like 'em, but I really have grown attached to Nvidia's 3D and the option to handle vsync in the control panel. Unless Kepler sucks, I'm staying green.
Let's see, fastest card of one full generation to the next:
X1950XTX->8800GTX: +92%
8800GTX->GTX280: +63%
GTX280->GTX480: +51%
GTX580->HD7970: +30% ===> beast?
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...rten-evolution/3/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf
Standards sure are falling
Look at the increase in power draw too. nV has been increasing power draw considerably on each new architecture while AMD has been holding fairly steady since the 5870.
Power draw has increased considerably from 5870 to 6970.
For the same process, 16% is considerable?
http://www.techspot.com/review/348-amd-radeon-6970/page12.html
Another thing, the reason this things (7970) is over priced by a $100 is the BD cpu.