Last day for Californians to order with no sales tax!

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shantd

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Haven't bothered to search for a story to confirm this online, but I heard it this morning on a radio news broadcast. It seems with all our budget problems, Gov. Jerry Brown is bending over backwards to find new taxes to impose on us to create more revenue. One such tax is the imposition of sales tax on all mail-order products. Up until now, we haven't had to pay sales tax if we ordered from sites like Amazon.com or newegg, etc...Apparently that changes tomorrow. We have the highest sales tax in the country at 10%. That will also change tomorrow, it will drop down to 9% as the 1% bump to 10% was only temporary (though Brown tried his damndest to extend that for another 5 years and failed).

Anyway, bottom line, if you order today, you save 9%. If somebody is so inclined, search around online and lets see if we can verify/confirm this.

Shant
 
This sucks for Newegg. I think they are california based.

Anyways not to get into politics but this is a really, and I do mean REALLY, bad move for the state of Kalifornia.

And it is 100% confirmed. The governor just signed it.
 
NY still has Amazon charging sales taxes.

Fortunately for us they haven't heard about Newegg......or TigerDirect......yet.:eek:

If you guys from Cali feel bad, just look at us in NY.....high taxes and shit weather, doesn't get any better than that.
 
I am really trying to wrap my head around how the fuck everyone here in California voted for that assclown.
 
Up until now, we haven't had to pay sales tax if we ordered from sites like Amazon.com or newegg, etc...
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Um... We've always had to pay sales tax to Newegg. If they're in state, we pay sales tax. That's why I order as much stuff from out of state as possible.

We have the highest sales tax in the country at 10%. That will also change tomorrow, it will drop down to 9% as the 1% bump to 10% was only temporary (though Brown tried his damndest to extend that for another 5 years and failed).
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Thank god the tax rate is going down a bit. Paying 9.75% sales tax in Alameda County was bullshit. I avoided buying stuff there as much as possible. The state probably would've made more money off me if they hadn't raised the sales tax rate.
 
The whole system is broken. Mail order outfits should have to charge sales tax for whatever state they are delivering to... period. The federal government should mandate this, or all states should enact the same law California is doing right now.

If you dont agree with me, try to open a business and compete with a mail order outfit, when they get an automatic 5-8% price break due to no sales tax. It's bullsh*t.
 
bboynitrous said:
I am really trying to wrap my head around how the fuck everyone here in California voted for that assclown.
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gmohr said:
The whole system is broken. Mail order outfits should have to charge sales tax for whatever state they are delivering to... period. The federal government should mandate this, or all states should enact the same law California is doing right now.

If you dont agree with me, try to open a business and compete with a mail order outfit, when they get an automatic 5-8% price break due to no sales tax. It's bullsh*t.
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Charge 5% less.
The small business doesn't have to worry about shipping fees.
Large corps still have corporate taxes to pay......and payroll.....and benefits.....and small business in many states get tax incentives.

Not trying to justify these things, but the Amazons of the world do have a valid argument.
That and state governments need to run with less fat and stop looking for taxes to shore up their payrolls and pensions.
 
shantd said:
Haven't bothered to search for a story to confirm this online, but I heard it this morning on a radio news broadcast.
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Whoever explained it didn't understand it themselves. The law changes several rules about nexus as it applies to internet sales. Not all internet sites are taxed; only those by a company with a presence in CA.

Any time now I expect it to be challenged in federal court. A bonus will be if there's an injunction placed on it before it goes into effect tomorrow.

shantd said:
(though Brown tried his damndest to extend that for another 5 years and failed)
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It was placed on the ballot as it was required to be and it was rejected by voters, as expected. It has nothing to do with how hard he tried since it's not up to the governor. His support of it was pretty modest, and presented as a way of avoiding more cuts. :rolleyes:
 
magoo said:
Charge 5% less.
The small business doesn't have to worry about shipping fees.
Large corps still have corporate taxes to pay......and payroll.....and benefits.....and small business in many states get tax incentives.

Not trying to justify these things, but the Amazons of the world do have a valid argument.
That and state governments need to run with less fat and stop looking for taxes to shore up their payrolls and pensions.
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Please don't turn this into a political argument, because that's not what it is. Simply put, taxes should be applied evenly to everyone, or not at all.
 
^^^ agreed.

Being in California, I really can't believe all the BS that goes on around here in terms of State spending and how they are trying to make up for the deficit. A lot of unnecessary spending across many different fields and yet we pay the price! Oh well, at least its sunny right now :)
 
TechSoldier said:
make up for the deficit.
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Most states, including California, can't run budget deficits. The budget is balanced each year. For example, there is no 2009 or 2010 deficit carried forward.

Most of the difference between revenues and budget (a shortfall) are erased by making cuts. Two years ago voters approved a temporary 1% sales tax hike that expires today to help with the shortfall (and a year earlier, a bond measure passed). That was not renewed earlier this year. This year, the usual cuts were made, public college/university tuitions have increased and the dumb internet sales tax for businesses that have any kind of presence in the state was expected to generate around one fifth of one percent of the state's budget. The expiring 1% sales tax hike had generated around 20-25x that amount each year ($5 billion out of a $110+ billion budget).

The important thing to understand is that the budget was balanced. There is no deficit to carry over to the next year. It's not even possible.

There is no trick involved in using the term "shortfall". It's different than running a deficit like the federal government does.
 
shantd said:
Haven't bothered to search for a story to confirm this online, but I heard it this morning on a radio news broadcast. It seems with all our budget problems, Gov. Jerry Brown is bending over backwards to find new taxes to impose on us to create more revenue. One such tax is the imposition of sales tax on all mail-order products. Up until now, we haven't had to pay sales tax if we ordered from sites like Amazon.com or newegg, etc...Apparently that changes tomorrow. We have the highest sales tax in the country at 10%. That will also change tomorrow, it will drop down to 9% as the 1% bump to 10% was only temporary (though Brown tried his damndest to extend that for another 5 years and failed).
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Some of that seems wrong.

You say this is a new tax and that up until now we weren't required to pay sales tax when ordering online from out of state. You ARE required to pay sales tax. The difference is up until now it was self reported versus the new method of having the business collect.

And the highest sales tax in the country of 10% is also wrong because you are talking about the state and county taxes (and possibly city). The state tax is less. You have to pay more cause you live in the area that sucks :p
 
gmohr said:
Please don't turn this into a political argument, because that's not what it is. Simply put, taxes should be applied evenly to everyone, or not at all.
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If online only companies have to charge sales tax then they are done because of shipping costs. I would probably never buy a product online if the prices were comparable with tax + shipping as opposed to just stopping by after work.

I just paid around 1600 dollars for a PC from Newegg for a relative, that plus sales tax plus the shipping would have been more than what I could have gotten from a local Microcenter which would have been same day as opposed to waiting 3 days.

It sure as hell should not be state based. Online sales tax should just be a flat low level tax that is evenly distributed to the states based on any number of factors.
 
Online stores still have a cost advantage due to less overhead - fewer employees, rent, utilities, property taxes, etc etc.
 
This only applies if the store is not carrying inventory and/or managing the products themselves. There are tons of businesses out there that have online stores but warehouse a massive amount of products. In this case overhead is still an issue.
 
Ok i don't live on the States and even then it seems that i understand a very basic thing that some of you guys don't understand:


YOU WERE ALWAYS MEANT TO PAY SALES TAX.


The only difference is in the burden of Tax collection moving from you guys to the company doing the sale, but please do look it up, it is called Use Tax if i recall correctly, and you were meant to pay it even if you drove to a different state to buy something and went back to California.
 
I'm confused, so now if you live in cali you have to pay tax on everything you order regardless of where they're located? I'll have to pay tax using TD and Amazon?
 
You ALWAYS had to pay the tax!

What they are doing now is that since so many Californians considered natural to evade paying that Tax, well, they are trying to force the e-stores to collect it.


But honestly, you had to pay it, ALWAYS, under Use Tax.
 
I thought this was a video card section?

I'll bring it back on topic.

I finally moved from AGP graphics to PCI-E graphics. I ordered a Radeon HD 6970 from TigerDirect. No tax. This video card is fast. My old one is an EVGA 7800GS.
 
lil layzie said:
I thought this was a video card section?

I'll bring it back on topic.

I finally moved from AGP graphics to PCI-E graphics. I ordered a Radeon HD 6970 from TigerDirect. No tax. This video card is fast. My old one is an EVGA 7800GS.
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Awesome, congratz, you are meant to declare that purchase and pay Use Tax when the yearly tax time comes around, same thing if you would have driven to a different state to buy it while living, and thus using it, on California :)
 
we pay to much taxes already to me the only taxes they should be is sales tax no income or any of that other bs. or keep all the other taxes and droop sales tax. or just droop all taxes and tax the riaa for all the lawsuits they file
 
drleospaceman said:
I live in CA and I've been paying tax on Newegg since 2001.
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This is because you live in CA. Those who live in other states and order from Newegg didn't have to pay taxes unless that particular state adopted the same law CA just did. So unless you ordered a lot from companies out of state, this really will have no effect on you.
 
shantd said:
Haven't bothered to search for a story to confirm this online, but I heard it this morning on a radio news broadcast. It seems with all our budget problems, Gov. Jerry Brown is bending over backwards to find new taxes to impose on us to create more revenue. One such tax is the imposition of sales tax on all mail-order products. Up until now, we haven't had to pay sales tax if we ordered from sites like Amazon.com or newegg, etc...Apparently that changes tomorrow. We have the highest sales tax in the country at 10%. That will also change tomorrow, it will drop down to 9% as the 1% bump to 10% was only temporary (though Brown tried his damndest to extend that for another 5 years and failed).

Anyway, bottom line, if you order today, you save 9%. If somebody is so inclined, search around online and lets see if we can verify/confirm this.

Shant
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We were the highest tax in Cook County Illinois at 10.25%. They just reversed it .50% so we are now done to 9.75%
 
From Amazon today:

Items: $339.99
Shipping & Handling: $6.76
Super Saver Discount: -$6.76
Total Before Tax: $339.99
Estimated Tax To Be Collected: $0.00

So, no, Amazon is not charging tax to CA residents.

And in case anyone missed it, tax is not being charged by other out of state internet/phone/catalog merchants which have no presence in CA (same as before the anti-Amazon bill became law). OP: you're really misinforming people with that factually incorrect post.
 
Why does California need to increase it's tax rates when it has boatloads of federal military spending, agriculture, Hollywood, pornography, tourism, and silicon valley businesses generating money in the state?

No other state has all those advantages and they're still broke.

WHERE IS ALL THE FUCKING MONEY GOING?
 
fattypants said:
No other state has all those advantages and they're still broke.
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The state is not going broke. That's an ignorant meme spread by those who have zero understanding of the state's finances. :rolleyes:

And as I pointed out above, that tax was expected to bring in less than 1/5th of one percent of the state's budget. It was pointless and looks like it was passed to make certain political donors happy (retail association members). A similar bill was passed by the state legislature in TX in May, but was vetoed by the governor. The motives were the same. Amazon is currently attempting to bribe the state into not pursuing the bill again in exchange for investments and 5000 jobs moved back to TX... after Amazon left when TX demanded hundreds of millions in sales taxes due. :p
 
fattypants said:
Why does California need to increase it's tax rates when it has boatloads of federal military spending, agriculture, Hollywood, pornography, tourism, and silicon valley businesses generating money in the state?
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State sales tax just went down.


fattypants said:
WHERE IS ALL THE FUCKING MONEY GOING?
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Maybe there is a whole in the floor in the room where the money is kept and its falling in there.
 
^ Yeah, that information isn't even correct. ^


Just because it is on the internet does not mean that it is true :rolleyes:
 
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