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I'm looking for an upgrade for my build along the lines of a 32" or 37" lcd. I've just got this gaping space in the corner around my current AOC 23" and its really bothering me LOL
I sit far enough away from the corner of the desk since I have a keyboard tray that pulls out so that really isn't a problem with going all the way to 37"
I've really been looking at the Vizio line as they have great picture quality over many other tvs in my opinion. Including Samsung.
I took a trip to Target yesterday to compare the Razor LED (which is edge lit) to the standard lcd. Unfortunatly they had the tvs locked to a stupid retail mode which has the colors and crap all jacked up. So I had to take a mental picture of the led which actually was adjusted properly and then go to Walmart and look at the ccfl versions.
I read the breakdown review of the difference in the LED full back lighting without manual zone adjustment, Led full back lighting with manual zone adjustment, Led edge lighting, then standard ccfl lcd.
From their comparisons the standard ccfl and full led back lighting with manual adjustment are the best models to deal with. They had complaints that the light tubes on the edge lit screens caused the blacks to be shadowed out to a gray state on the edges. Which I didn't notice. So I believe ViZio has something other companies don 't which is probably why they are ranked #1 in LCD TV's
The problem I have with the LED counterpart is the cost vs size difference over the lcd counterpart. I didn't notice any overall quality difference in the picture. (The LED was 32" the ccfl lcd was 37") Great way to compare Target. (Target could care less about TV's and how they market them. Signs hanging in front of them and falling down. Stupid store display shelves with red paper over them causing them to have braces running in front of the TV screens. Its a real mess and someone should fix that crap. Not to mention they shouldn't have settings locked out so you can't actually see what a tv should look like,)
What I did notice is the led had a richer brightness over the lcd. (but what do you want when its on a dim retail setting and you can't manually adjust anything) Which is why I took a trip to walmart afterwards. The thing with Walmart and Target is: Walmart sells the lower class versions of everything. Where Target sells the upper class items.
So the 4 HDMI version (E370VA) that Target has for $469.99 is countered with the 2 HDMI version (E370VL) at walmart for $448. With the E370VA having a 50,000:1 1.06 Billion colors and a 60,000 bulb lift until half. Its counterpart E370VL has 100,000:1 only 16.7 Million colors a slower response time as well as 10,000 less bulb life. Although using a whopping 4W less power on average.
Now the problem with going to target is their extended warranty. What kind of marketing trash is their warranty. Yea sure its only $45 bucks for 3 years. AWSOME RIGHT?
WRONG! Its in effect at time of purchase. Which you have to purchase it with the TV. So The first year is pissed away at the same time as the manufactures warranty. So your really paying for a 2 year extended warranty. PATHETIC! Now Walmart instore warranty is for two years. I didn't look at when its in effect considering online for $43 you can get a 3 year extended that kicks in after the manf warranty. Which is how an extended warranty works. You can't call it a said year extended warranty if one year goes away the same time the manufacturers warranty is in effect.
So because of the cheap cost in the warranty and the fact this is only being used for a game computer and maybe my spare 360 that's collecting dust in the office from time to time I think its more feasible to settle for the lower class versions as I will only need 2 HDMI cables anyway. Although I have my eye on a different LCD from walmart online which is the (V0370M) 3 HDMI 15,000:1 (Does the Contrast really matter that much?) 1.06 billion colors 5ms response Doesn't have smooth motion like the counterpart at Target (don't know if this is going to matter for my use or not) The downside is it sucks up 110W on average. So that's misleading.
I just really don't know which way to go. I want to be able to get a decent warranty that isn't twice as much as elsewhere. I refuse to use Samsung. I've seen too many of their screens have problems and I have had terrible experience with their RMA dept in the past. The term you get what you pay for doesn't rely on their company!
The thing about LED is the bulbs are rated to last half the time as the ccfl bulbs before they go to half their original brightness. And for most of the CCFL tvs out they don't really use too much less watts.
The screens I have had my eyes on are:
M320NV Target (Fake extended warranty)
XVT232SV Sams Club (unsure warranty as I don't have a membership, but for the savings I would pay the $40 to get one LOL.)
M370NV Target (Fake extended warranty)
V0370M Walmart (3 year extended warranty)
E370VA Target (Fake extended warranty)
E370VL Walmart (3 year extended warranty)
Of course I would look around at time of purchase for the best bang for the buck, but honestly price, quality, value, warranty are all of concern. This build has been doing nothing but going up in price so I would like to cap it off at $650ish and 37" as the max.
If anyone has any other recommendations for a good quality lcd for use as a monitor in this size range that you can get a real extended warranty with that isn't FAKE as mentioned above then feel free to drop in a link and your comments on it.
I'm really open to other brands I suppose. I just really like the picture quality with Vizio as well as their construction and overall tv looks. The looks part doesn't go for all monitors though. Some of theirs are rather ugly and old school looking. Don't shoot me something that is 8 inches on the bottom and 2 inches on top. It has to be somewhat symetrical and I don't want side speakers unless they are built into the back of the screen.
Also how many places in the past have had Black Friday deals on this range of sizes where you can buy online so I don't have to sit in line at 3 am somewhere trying to get one because I can't with a quadriplegic fiancee at home. I need to be around in case she needs something. Not to mention its usually freezing that morning and she can;t stay out in the cold for long periods of time with low circulation in her legs. So its either buy before the storm or buy online and not get ass raped with shipping. Which I think most places that sell screens that are local stores have free shipping or pickup in store.
If I'm really going to save an ass load and can buy online I don't mind waiting until BF. but if its not really much savings I would prefer to go ahead and get it purchased in the next month before my fiance makes use of the money elsewhere. LOL
I sit far enough away from the corner of the desk since I have a keyboard tray that pulls out so that really isn't a problem with going all the way to 37"
I've really been looking at the Vizio line as they have great picture quality over many other tvs in my opinion. Including Samsung.
I took a trip to Target yesterday to compare the Razor LED (which is edge lit) to the standard lcd. Unfortunatly they had the tvs locked to a stupid retail mode which has the colors and crap all jacked up. So I had to take a mental picture of the led which actually was adjusted properly and then go to Walmart and look at the ccfl versions.
I read the breakdown review of the difference in the LED full back lighting without manual zone adjustment, Led full back lighting with manual zone adjustment, Led edge lighting, then standard ccfl lcd.
From their comparisons the standard ccfl and full led back lighting with manual adjustment are the best models to deal with. They had complaints that the light tubes on the edge lit screens caused the blacks to be shadowed out to a gray state on the edges. Which I didn't notice. So I believe ViZio has something other companies don 't which is probably why they are ranked #1 in LCD TV's
The problem I have with the LED counterpart is the cost vs size difference over the lcd counterpart. I didn't notice any overall quality difference in the picture. (The LED was 32" the ccfl lcd was 37") Great way to compare Target. (Target could care less about TV's and how they market them. Signs hanging in front of them and falling down. Stupid store display shelves with red paper over them causing them to have braces running in front of the TV screens. Its a real mess and someone should fix that crap. Not to mention they shouldn't have settings locked out so you can't actually see what a tv should look like,)
What I did notice is the led had a richer brightness over the lcd. (but what do you want when its on a dim retail setting and you can't manually adjust anything) Which is why I took a trip to walmart afterwards. The thing with Walmart and Target is: Walmart sells the lower class versions of everything. Where Target sells the upper class items.
So the 4 HDMI version (E370VA) that Target has for $469.99 is countered with the 2 HDMI version (E370VL) at walmart for $448. With the E370VA having a 50,000:1 1.06 Billion colors and a 60,000 bulb lift until half. Its counterpart E370VL has 100,000:1 only 16.7 Million colors a slower response time as well as 10,000 less bulb life. Although using a whopping 4W less power on average.
Now the problem with going to target is their extended warranty. What kind of marketing trash is their warranty. Yea sure its only $45 bucks for 3 years. AWSOME RIGHT?
WRONG! Its in effect at time of purchase. Which you have to purchase it with the TV. So The first year is pissed away at the same time as the manufactures warranty. So your really paying for a 2 year extended warranty. PATHETIC! Now Walmart instore warranty is for two years. I didn't look at when its in effect considering online for $43 you can get a 3 year extended that kicks in after the manf warranty. Which is how an extended warranty works. You can't call it a said year extended warranty if one year goes away the same time the manufacturers warranty is in effect.
So because of the cheap cost in the warranty and the fact this is only being used for a game computer and maybe my spare 360 that's collecting dust in the office from time to time I think its more feasible to settle for the lower class versions as I will only need 2 HDMI cables anyway. Although I have my eye on a different LCD from walmart online which is the (V0370M) 3 HDMI 15,000:1 (Does the Contrast really matter that much?) 1.06 billion colors 5ms response Doesn't have smooth motion like the counterpart at Target (don't know if this is going to matter for my use or not) The downside is it sucks up 110W on average. So that's misleading.
I just really don't know which way to go. I want to be able to get a decent warranty that isn't twice as much as elsewhere. I refuse to use Samsung. I've seen too many of their screens have problems and I have had terrible experience with their RMA dept in the past. The term you get what you pay for doesn't rely on their company!
The thing about LED is the bulbs are rated to last half the time as the ccfl bulbs before they go to half their original brightness. And for most of the CCFL tvs out they don't really use too much less watts.
The screens I have had my eyes on are:
M320NV Target (Fake extended warranty)
XVT232SV Sams Club (unsure warranty as I don't have a membership, but for the savings I would pay the $40 to get one LOL.)
M370NV Target (Fake extended warranty)
V0370M Walmart (3 year extended warranty)
E370VA Target (Fake extended warranty)
E370VL Walmart (3 year extended warranty)
Of course I would look around at time of purchase for the best bang for the buck, but honestly price, quality, value, warranty are all of concern. This build has been doing nothing but going up in price so I would like to cap it off at $650ish and 37" as the max.
If anyone has any other recommendations for a good quality lcd for use as a monitor in this size range that you can get a real extended warranty with that isn't FAKE as mentioned above then feel free to drop in a link and your comments on it.
I'm really open to other brands I suppose. I just really like the picture quality with Vizio as well as their construction and overall tv looks. The looks part doesn't go for all monitors though. Some of theirs are rather ugly and old school looking. Don't shoot me something that is 8 inches on the bottom and 2 inches on top. It has to be somewhat symetrical and I don't want side speakers unless they are built into the back of the screen.
Also how many places in the past have had Black Friday deals on this range of sizes where you can buy online so I don't have to sit in line at 3 am somewhere trying to get one because I can't with a quadriplegic fiancee at home. I need to be around in case she needs something. Not to mention its usually freezing that morning and she can;t stay out in the cold for long periods of time with low circulation in her legs. So its either buy before the storm or buy online and not get ass raped with shipping. Which I think most places that sell screens that are local stores have free shipping or pickup in store.
If I'm really going to save an ass load and can buy online I don't mind waiting until BF. but if its not really much savings I would prefer to go ahead and get it purchased in the next month before my fiance makes use of the money elsewhere. LOL
