thanks for your reply MrPatate.
so HDMI is not that important, any other things to consider when choosing between NEC LCD2470WNX and LG L245(6)WP?
2....
money and image quality.....
....and LG as more inputs
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
thanks for your reply MrPatate.
so HDMI is not that important, any other things to consider when choosing between NEC LCD2470WNX and LG L245(6)WP?
Do you still own the Dell 2005fpw, or are you going by memory? Did you do a side-by-side comparison?
Side by side.And yes I still own it
Good job with the pics, although you probably should've used flash throughout since you were in a pretty dimly lit room--lots of camera shake in the early unpacking photos.
That camera is old and of low res ccd,I drink coffee like its going out of style
You'll excuse me if I don't entirely trust your color judgment, since as you stated yourself you're not a photographer I have an NEC 2070NX (S-IPS), so I agree that NEC makes some quality stuff, but the panel in the 2470WNX worries me since I do a lot of photo editing and need a monitor that has low/no color shift across the entire panel as well as reasonably accurate color rendition. I don't do absolutely color-critical work, but I want my photo colors to be as accurate as possible.
You also mentioned that the NEC is better than the Dell 2407 in image quality. Can you elaborate on this? How is it better, and how much better? Thanks for all the info, Manny.
Yes, the input lag is caused by the frame buffer inside the monitor and depends on the monitor manufacturer, not the specific LCD panel. The monitor buffers a certain number of frames and uses that time to optimize the colors, contrast, etc of the images before displaying them. This introduces a delay between when the graphics card outputs a frame and when it is actually displayed on the monitor.
A description if frame buffering and input lag is given here.
My impression is that the higher-end brands of monitors tend to use frame buffering more aggressively (increasing input lag) since they do more optimization of the image (which is, of course, what is supposed to make the quality of the image better on their monitor than one from another "no-name" manufacturer that uses the same LCD panel). Although it sounds like this NEC strikes a good balance between image quality and minimal lag.
Mofongo.
Yikes! I assume you will call NEC about this. Can you ask them what their dead pixel policy is?
I really want the NEC, but Costco has the Dell 2407 for $610 plus shipping, and you can simply take it to any Costco warehouse for return for any reason at any time (not just for 30 days). This makes the Dell very enticing since I can always take it back even if it has 1 just dead/stuck pixel a year from now. Decisions, decisions...
Thanks!
Mofongo
Keep in mind that your LCD2470WNX has nearly a million more pixels than your LCD1970GX and way way way more than a DVD can deliver. If you watch at fullscreen, you are going to see all the flaws of the DVD resolution, the MPEG-2 compression, and DIVX recompression.
Keep in mind that your LCD2470WNX has nearly a million more pixels than your LCD1970GX and way way way more than a DVD can deliver. If you watch at fullscreen, you are going to see all the flaws of the DVD resolution, the MPEG-2 compression, and DIVX recompression.
the LG seemed to soften artifacts. perhaps it because of it's semi-gloss coating? the NEC's coating i've noticed has a graininess to it; i can see the same grain as i move windows and pictures across the screen. even now my solid turquoise background seems to "twinkle". i'm not really sure how to explain it. ...
Have you looked at the 24" Gateway? To me, the Gateway looks incredibly sparkly/grainy...like there's tiny crystals embedded in the screen or something. This would drive me nuts. So I am curious if the effect you are talking about is something like that?
On the other hand, my wife has a Lenovo T61 with the Flexview S-IPS screen that lots of people claim looks "sparkly", but that one looks fine to me (although I think I can see what they are talking about, but it is not annoying...the Gateway is super annoying).
Mofongo
Not sure about the NEC, but the BenQ and LG use the same AU Optronics P-MVA panel, and the Dell and Gateway use a Samsung S-PVA panel.do the Benq, LG, NEC, Gateway and Dell all use the same panel?
YES, that's the effect i'm talking about. I tried playing a WMV 1280x720p videos. took about two hours to view them. from what i can see... in brighter scenes, it looks fine. in darker scenes, the dark areas show twinkling. and there a lot of pixels moving around on people's faces like mosquito noise. strange since i've never really noticed them before. i think i should check my video card and drivers before continuing.
I am beginning to think that one of the main flaws of the NEC is the lack of connections. I've been switching back and fourth from PC to my 360 with the DVI connections and it has been killing my ass to do so. It is such an irritation to unhook the device on the back, twist those two knobs and then hook up the new connection every time I play and then back onto my PC. Is there an easier way that I am overlooking?
I am beginning to think that one of the main flaws of the NEC is the lack of connections. I've been switching back and fourth from PC to my 360 with the DVI connections and it has been killing my ass to do so. It is such an irritation to unhook the device on the back, twist those two knobs and then hook up the new connection every time I play and then back onto my PC. Is there an easier way that I am overlooking?
You could use a DVI-D M/F extension cable to bring the connection to a place where it is easier to swap them back and forth.
I am using this solution myself when I was using a friends PS3 on my Dell 2407WFP and so far have perceived no degredation in image quality either with the PC or the PS3.
Here is a link to the one I purchased from MonoPrice, http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...&cs_id=1020903&p_id=243&seq=1&format=2&style=. Despite it being described as beige, I received a black cable of the same quaility as the other DVI-D cables.
the LG seemed to soften artifacts. perhaps it because of it's semi-gloss coating? the NEC's coating i've noticed has a graininess to it; i can see the same grain as i move windows and pictures across the screen. even now my solid turquoise background seems to "twinkle". i'm not really sure how to explain it. add this twinkling and the artifacts of compressed video and perhaps one gets the nightmare i'm getting on especially my divx movies. the colors look worse, the macroblocks look even blockier.. lol.. people faces are crawling with artifacts now! the skin tones on faces have more shades than i remember. that freaked me out the first time. maybe i'm seeing what was always there but just noticed it. the whole thing is just weird. i'll play with the settings some more. can anyone suggest settings i can use for movies? thanks.
Hey senakun, I need more info. When I read your complaint about the NEC "twinkle" I was surprised b/c it was the first serious negative comment about the 2470. I looked back over the prior replies and found yours from 5/11 stating you had a whole row of bad pixels and you were sending the NEC back.
Are these twinkles you speak of part of what you saw on the flawed NEC that you returned or is this being repeated on your replacement monitor?
Have any other owners of NEC 2470 had similar experiences w/movies? I was going to pull the trigger on the NEC tomorrow but now I want to know more about this "flaw."
Thanks,
There's an easier way...
An HDMI switcher like this one http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...cs_id=1011001&p_id=2786&seq=1&format=2&style=
And 2 DVI-HDMI cable, or one for the computer and another HDMI-? for the Xbox.
That is a good question! I went to the NEC site in Australia and Googled it with no luck. I know there must be a model with the WNX suffice because I saw the model names 2690 and 2490WNX on a Japanese site yesterday. I just figured it was probably the Asia version of the WUXi that has a H-IPS display.
NEC email said:Thanks for your enquiry. The Wide screen monitor is a new addition to the high end product list of NEC Monitors..
MULTISYNC LCD 24" 16:9UXGA Monitor - Black LCD2490WUXI-BK.
Please see the PDF on the specifications which I have attached below.
I will be able to have one of this in my office in West End Brisbane, by the end of the week, if you would like to make a time to test run the monitor please don't hesitate to give me a call..
The recommended retial price is @ $1,500.00 for the 24 inch
The recommended retial price is @ $1,754.00 for the 26 inch
Let me get this straight, that Switch has HDMI-out, HDMI-in, HDMI-in. So what I need to do is:
1) HDMI-out (360) to HDMI-in (switch)
2) HDMI-out (switch) to DVI-in (Monitor)
3) DVI-out (computer-videocard) to HDMI-in (switch)
If so, then I just need to buy another HDMI-DVI cable and the switchbox. Can somebody confirm this connection to make sure that it works?
I currently have a Dell 2405 (original rev.-PVA) and need to replace it. It is a nightmare to work with Photoshop because of the color shifts that I see (big shifts even with the head moving just an inch or two). I have been scared to upgrade to an S-PVA model because I do not want the same problem again. Would there be a noticeable big improvement in color shift between and old PVA and the new S-PVA panel in this monitor?
I don't have the Nec, but do have the 2407 S-PVA. And from what I've read, the 'color shift' is inherent in the panel technology (i.e. S-PVA) so you'd have to go to S-IPS to get away from it. I'm also getting 'color shifting' on my S-PVA just for the record. It doesn't bother me too much since I don't do any photo editing (and have low standards), but it does get a bit annoying in images that are fairly dark. I know the Nec 20" is S-IPS, heard this 24" is too (edit: scratch that, this model doesn't).
I was able to pick up a new in box L246W on ebay for $420. i was gonna use that money to upgrade my rig, but i am weak . i'll be able to do a side by side comparison when it gets here.
Don't you already have LG??
Eagerly awaiting your side by side comparison if you do have both monitors.
Also a general question: I'm pretty concerned with color-shifting on these PVA panels. Is it pretty noticeable? I like to slouch left or right while surfing the internet sometimes, so I would be viewing the monitor from an angle at times. How do the P-MVA panels like LG compare in this aspect?
My Dell 2405 (LTM240M1_L01 panel) has a viewing angle of 89 degrees and the color shift is very bad. The 2470 has a viewing angle of 178 degrees.
I wish this monitor had the same silver/black look as the 20wmgx2, i have two and would love to sit this one in between the two
Manny is the only one who specifically mentined this so far so I will ask others. Does this monitor definitely not have the contrast/color-shifting which other PVAs (2407WFP, Gateway 2485W) have? Especially anyone who has had one of those other monitors and knows what I'm talking about could comment I'd appreciate it.
senakun,
For the text sharpness -- is this with ClearType fonts enabled or disabled?
senakun - any comment on this please? Basically does the contrast or brightness level change or appear washed out at the edges but not in the center with your eyes centered, or vice versa appears washed out on center and better at the edge of your view (the bad PVAs do one or the other depending upon brightness and contrast settings.) Does it ever appear to have an odd 'shininess' toward the edges on any backgrounds like the [H] forum ? (inconsistent contrast) Manny is the only one who has commented on this so far and second+ opinions are always good, wondering about the NEC btw since that's what this thread is about. You can move your head from side-to-side across the monitor while keeping your focus straight ahead to change your viewing angle relative to different parts of the screen to test this as well.
You should try with a DVD or download a well-encoded 1080p movie like the ones MS has up somewhere.