New Sony DVDs Not Working In Some Players?

I had no problems playing them...but then again, I rip all my netflix rentals and reburn them because of BS like this :cool:
 
Casino Royale has played on the few players I've tried it on so far without issue. Even played on my dads progressive scan toshiba I bought him like 6 months ago from best buy that for some reason will not play the "married with children" dvds.
 
I bought casino royale also but it didn't play in any of my players so i downloaded a dvd version and burned it and now it works in all my players lol. As long as you own it i think its ok to get the "backup" version online ;)
 
My mom's budget $35 DVD player plays them fine, it replaced an older Toshiba unit that started giving her problems playing newer discs, I knew it was copy protection bad sectors bull crap. Annoying to have to shell out $35 for the local store's budget special DVD player but its an easy fix for my mother as she does not want to fuss around with a computer to rip out DRM from a rented DVD.

So two recommendations:
1. The normal [H] user, do what you fell necessary to get what you paid for, you should already know how to use the computer to your advantage already.

2. The average Joe, get the cheap make on sale special DVD player (a new one within the last year, not an old model on clearance!), they actually are not that bad depending on what you get. I really would not suggest buying these DVD discs though, instead rent or "borrow" them from a friend :rolleyes:.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
And I would like to personally thank you on behalf of the non-pirating public for making our lives more difficult because of your illegal activities are giving media companies the specter of doom neccesary to remove our legitimate rights.
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I dumped over $4000 in DVD's and did not recoup any of it. I slowly gave them away to family and friends. I just wanted the MOVIE. No menus, no extras, no stupid spanish subtitles. The only way to achieve this is to rip them. I also paid almost exactly the same 6 years ago that I do today for a DVD. How the hell is it they havn't been able to reduce the price somehow over a period of almost a decade.

You're high stance is noble, but do you think for a second that if piracy was eliminated, that the companies incorporating all this protection, would revert back to remove it all. Not a chance. Anti-piracy is a multi-million dollar industry, and I doubt the thousands of employees would like it if their job was suddenly obsolete. So its all a big circle to keep things running.

The government is choosing who and what to attack on piracy issues, turning a blind eye to the obvious culprits, ( zip, netflix ) that turn out thousands upon thousands of movies a month to subsribers that cannot physically be watching movies at that pace. Why, because that a huge industry now, and it must be lining the pockets of the right people.

Everytime I turn on the news big companies or the American governement is creating its own "spectre of doom" to get what it wants. They have no problem fabricating it all on their own. Four words summarize this point best, weapons of mass destruction.
 
I think this is the future of DRM... movies that aren't playable on ANYTHING.... think of it, no one will be able to copy them.

I think I'll get into business on this... sell blank ::uhm:: "protected" dvds for $25 a pop.
 
Well -- now I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and get the Panasonic I was looking to buy when I thought my Toshiba was outdated. It seems to be hit or miss for folks on these Sony titles, including those with Toshiba DVD players about the same age as mine.

IronChefMorimoto
 
IronChefMorimoto said:
Well -- now I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and get the Panasonic I was looking to buy when I thought my Toshiba was outdated. It seems to be hit or miss for folks on these Sony titles, including those with Toshiba DVD players about the same age as mine.

IronChefMorimoto
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You can start by not using your name as a signature. You have been warned on several occasions by admins who edited your posts ;)
 
My wife and myself used to be staunch Sony supporters. All out stereo gear is Sony and we have a Sony digital camera and camcorder. Starting with their CD rootkit fiasco, however, I (the hardware guy) made the decision to not support these idiots any more. This just further confirms my choice. We just bought a Canon 30D digital SLR. Did I consider the Sony D-SLR? Didn't even read a review on it. We will be out of credit card debt in a couple of months, so are going to reward ourselves by saving up for a HD tv for x-mas. Will it be Sony? No way! Most likely a Pioneer or Samsung plasma in the 58-60" range. We're planning on $5000-6000 for it. Thats a pretty good chunk of profit Sony just lost due to their actions. Also, we'll need new stereo gear. I'm thinking a nice multi zone Denon amp at $1500. And guess what, we need new speakers. Buy a Sony home theatre set up? Not a chance (haven't decided on the speakers yet, but no way will they say sony). Need a HD player too. Probably the Samsung HD/BD combo player, but definately not Sony. So, due to their obvious derision for Joe consumer, by my math, that's at least $7000 not being spent on Sony products by this consumer.

Burn in hell sony
 
Paul_Johnson said:
And I would like to personally thank you on behalf of the non-pirating public for making our lives more difficult because of your illegal activities are giving media companies the specter of doom neccesary to remove our legitimate rights.
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I call BS on this crap. It is Sony themselves that is actually making a pirated version of their movie more attractive by putting this crap on their discs. Nevermind the fact that a new version of AnyDVD that defeats their new fangled copy protection was probably out 5 minutes after the new copy protection was released. You can pretend that one person ripping discs they rent is the culprit here, but it's not. No media company is going to give up on copy protection schemes until organized pirates and protection free torrents of every movie are no longer common (never going to happen) or they wise up to the reality of the media landscape in the 21st century, and I'm not holding my breath for that one to happen either.

So long as companies like Sony make it more difficult or even impossible for legitimate customers to use the products they buy, whatever they get, they deserve.
 
Nobi125 said:
Sony doesn't want you to buy their DVDs.

I don't see what all the confusion is about.
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My thoughts exactly... I watched Casino Royale at a friends house,a day or so before it hit theatres (screener) on his 53" Toshiba.Damn good movie btw.I bought a copy a few
days ago,and ripped it and backed it up.Works fine now. :D
 
deadrody said:
I call BS on this crap.
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Call BS all you want but DRM wouldn't have political traction or neccesity if people/organizations did not violate copyright law. All the pirates have done is given Sony et al an arguement that now holds water, each publication of DRM being broken actually feeds their case as they can go to politicians and wave it as proof that people are using the legitimate techonology for illegitimate gain. Thereby depriving us the rights we deserve when new legistlation (DMCA et al) are enacted.

And the individual pirate is becoming more of a problem it would seem from surveying threads like this were people routinely admit to doing things such as:

Time2Kill said:
I had no problems playing them...but then again, I rip all my netflix rentals and reburn them because of BS like this :cool:
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This kind of attitude it what really is going to kill your ability as a public to use media as you see fit once you buy it.



Sony will not make it impossible for legitimate users to use the product they buy as you suggest as that would put them out of business (I can't imagine you thought that concept through). They will make it exceedingly difficult and expensive though in order to maintain control of the content they have rights to because of the bad apples.
 
Casino Royal worked on both my cheapo DVD player and my better one. BUT...Oddly enough on my PC it would not play it. In fact it would not play any other DVD after trying that one until I rebooted. It is of course a oem Sony DVD drive....

Since than upgraded the firmware and didn't try that DVD again though. Don't think I'm going to either.
 
TechLarry said:
Does this mean the discs are non-standard, and no longer should qualify to carry the DVD certification/emblems?

I wonder if someone will take Sony to task for this.
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Like I mentioned on the first page, IIRC it had the newer structure protection on the disc. It's still a valid compliant disc, it's just that like people have said, some over-zealous players with C2/error correcting will choke on the supposedly bad sectors, or fail to enumerate/handle the 99 VTS propertly. (Video Title Set, these are the "Titles" you see listed).
 
Paul_Johnson said:
that people are using the legitimate techonology for illegitimate gain.
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This is where I totally disagree with that argument. 90% of the public that are "pirates" are not ripping and burning for illegitmate gain. They are doing it for personal use, never to distribute or resell the final product. Sony has no knowledge or proof of knowledge other than people admitting to have done it on a forum such as this, as they have rented a movie, ripped it, and returned it to the store. There is no chip inside that disc telling Sony that xx illegal copies of it have been made.

Its the illegal vendor selling these copies that is the only outlet for the movie studios to use as a basis for argument.

This is also where I again question the things that stare them in the face, but they choose to do nothing about. Netflix in the US, Zip here in Canada, retail outlets like CompUSA, Bestbuy and Futureshop selling spindle after spindle of 100 blank DVD's. They know exactly what those products are being sold to do, yet don't have the balls to attack the problem at its source.

Give me a friggin $5 levy PER blank DVD, or make a rental from Blockbuster $10, and let me do whatever I want with them. Keeping new DVD's $25, and increasing my at theatre experience in cost to the point where two people and popcorn and drinks cost me $50 is not going to encourage me to embrace the more lawful path.

Music distribution has been able to make large strides in bringing me the music I want, at a good price, good quality, and legally, in the form of a download. Why can't the movie business do the same.
 
ryankenn said:
This is also where I again question the things that stare them in the face, but they choose to do nothing about. Netflix in the US, Zip here in Canada, retail outlets like CompUSA, Bestbuy and Futureshop selling spindle after spindle of 100 blank DVD's. They know exactly what those products are being sold to do, yet don't have the balls to attack the problem at its source.
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It's cause they're getting money from Netflix silly. Going to an exec with a plan to kill off a source of income ontop of their PS3/BD flop would get a laugh in the face.
 
ryankenn said:
turning a blind eye to the obvious culprits, ( zip, netflix ) that turn out thousands upon thousands of movies a month to subsribers that cannot physically be watching movies at that pace. Why, because that a huge industry now, and it must be lining the pockets of the right people.
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Yeah, I get it, but it doesn't stop it from being wrong.
 
You buy7 any mp3 player, stat storage media in Canada, you pay royalties to music artists, studios, etc.
 
Night Black said:
You buy7 any mp3 player, stat storage media in Canada, you pay royalties to music artists, studios, etc.
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In Canada, buying any mp3 player or data storage device also means you pay a royalty included in the price to artists, studios, etc..

Where's the edit function?
 
FYI, I went and rented Stranger Than Fiction from Rogers Video, and it will not play in my Sony 400 DVD Carousel, so they aren't trying to make you buy Sony hardware, as it doesn't work there either.

Nice.
 
Yeah, I had to use a special "Program" to pull the movie data from the Casino Royale disk before I could watch the movie on my laptop. Make note that the "Program" has been out for many months and was able to skip around the copy protection. It's a good thing they added that new protection...'cause there's nothing worse than having consumers get what they paid for...and it obviously keeps people from making copies...Oh...no it doesn't.
 
Hm, wasn't aware of this problem...thought it was just me. I rented Stranger Than Fiction awhile ago and couldn't get it to play on my PC. Tried it again with AnyDVD and still wouldn't work...guess it was stupid new protection.
 
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