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I thought about going with WHS, but I don't like the idea of losing half my storage capacity. I have an HP server right now with 3x 1TB and the 500GB, but I am going to 8TB drives in RAID5 so I have ~7TB of capacity.
Yeah, right now I want the maximum space while having redundancy. I want all of it protected so WHS's solution is not the right one for me. I am keeping my HP server to backup my other computers though, it should work out nicely.
My understanding is that even if a drive dies, you can read the rest without issue (less the data which was on the afore mentioned drive) and just replace it with a drive and you are back in business.... Bare in mind, that I do not trust RAID at all any more, I will always have a complete backup.....
So you already have a method of an alternative full backup? If that's the case, then WHS is for you.
If there was a storm and surged the whole server.....wouldn't that cost a alot of money to replace it?
(snip).... Bare in mind, that I do not trust RAID at all any more, I will always have a complete backup.....
gjvrieze, why do you say that you do not trust RAID at all anymore?
Well, my best friend just lost his 4 drive raid 5 linux software array, one disk failed, it went to rebuild, and died... With a good controller like the 1280ML, it is not so scary, especially, if you run RAID 6 instead of 5... I have a full backup of all my data on simple drives.....
Home owners insurance "should" cover that kind of thing... I worry way more about the data, I can put a price on the server, I cannot on the data....
[LYL]Homer;1033070413 said:I'd think this was wishful thinking that insurance would cover this level of hardware.
And another thing...looking at your sig....your sage server...the 4 ATi 550Pro's how much does it cost for each one?
And another thing...looking at your sig....your sage server...the 4 ATi 550Pro's how much does it cost for each one?
I would say what do you define "super crazy amounts of money" as? From what I'm told, consumer onboard NIC's generally will "connect" as gigabit, but generally don't *really* get up to gigabit speeds, though server motherboards tend to do better in this area. If you're really looking for gigabit speeds, you may want to consider getting a dedicated card.
Even if you team two ports and your switch supports it, are you going to be moving *that* much data? For instance, pretend you have two teamed ports on the server, but only one client pulling at gigabit speed... well, the teaming isn't really helping you out there. See my point?
I would say what do you define "super crazy amounts of money" as? From what I'm told, consumer onboard NIC's generally will "connect" as gigabit, but generally don't *really* get up to gigabit speeds, though server motherboards tend to do better in this area. If you're really looking for gigabit speeds, you may want to consider getting a dedicated card.
Even if you team two ports and your switch supports it, are you going to be moving *that* much data? For instance, pretend you have two teamed ports on the server, but only one client pulling at gigabit speed... well, the teaming isn't really helping you out there. See my point?
I get 99% of gigabit, just using the single connection from my 3com switch to the primary NIC of Plutonium 4 when coping a few things at once, it will stay peaked for however long the data transfer is....
I would say what do you define "super crazy amounts of money" as? From what I'm told, consumer onboard NIC's generally will "connect" as gigabit, but generally don't *really* get up to gigabit speeds, though server motherboards tend to do better in this area. If you're really looking for gigabit speeds, you may want to consider getting a dedicated card.
Even if you team two ports and your switch supports it, are you going to be moving *that* much data? For instance, pretend you have two teamed ports on the server, but only one client pulling at gigabit speed... well, the teaming isn't really helping you out there. See my point?
Yep. Also keep in mind a goog managed gig switch sets you back well over $200, a decent gig unmanaged switch (no teaming) sets you back less than $100.
Teaming also requires two team compatible nics, thus even more costs. So my suggestion would be to go with a good server nic or even a killer nic if you prefer the gaming branding and get a good gigabit switch, you will get pretty close to acchieving true gigabit network speeds.
The reason some motherboards particularly the desktop ones get slower speeds on the onboard nics is because it is using the PCI bus...but on nicer models and server models it typically uses the pci-e bus which has a higher bandwidth.
How can you tell what bus the onboard NICs use?
thanks again guys for your answers, very helpful!
Well I describe "super crazy amounts of money" as $2000+ for a switch and $500 for a NIC.
As far as how much data I move around on my current setup. I cap tv and movies (6-10GB per file) as a hobby, I also stream those files to my htpc. I also do video editing and shoot raw images (40MB per image sometimes). After a shoot and when you start editing those files, moving them around, backing them up, it would be nice to upgrade cause my situation now is kinda pitiful imo.
Well I was looking at the HP ProCurve line of switches. Those seem to be good in the $200-300 range, if there is a better switch out there please let me know I also was looking at the Intel NICs, PCI-e and PCI-x flavors.
How can you tell what bus the onboard NICs use?
....What're you running on now?
I think I will get an HP Procurve then, unless a find a really good deal on a 3com or Cisco switch. I would rather spend my money on hard drivesThere is better out there, but HP is a pretty good brand. The others will cost you "super crazy amounts of money" I'm a big fan of 3Com, Cisco, and HP products. I just bought my new rack a HP Procurve ..... My recommendation would be to look at an Intel Pro PT server nic. Intel chipsets typically are good performers. I would stay away from broadcom (although they do make good server end chipsets) or realtek or really anything else.
Don't laugh, lol. I have a Linksys Wrt54GS
I think I will get an HP Procurve then, unless a find a really good deal on a 3com or Cisco switch. I would rather spend my money on hard drives
Thanks for confirming that Intel makes good NICs. In all reality would I need dual NICs? Or would I be just fine with a single link?
thanks again for your help
benjamin.r on AVS said:gjvrieze, any new updates on your build? I really enjoy this thread!
clueless_n00b on AVS said:3 months and no reply! I wonder if he is ok?
AutoMKVhey gjvrieze, not sure if its been posted already but what program do you use to encode into x264 or whatever it is you use?
Well, I a RAID array failure this past week. I forget to plug the cable back into the 1280ML, so it did not alert me went he first drive failure of my 14 drive RAID5 dropped and then another drive dropped and I was SOL'd.... luckily most of my data was backed up on the old 750gb drives from the past project, but I still lost some data that had not been synced into the backup....
New plan 1-15-09:
(20) 1TB 7200.11 drives in RAID 6, 2 becoming hot spares, should leave me with right around 15TB of usable space... I traded my boss for a WD GP 1TB for a Seagate SD15 which matches my array, and I bought a another drive on Newegg this past week, so I have 16 of the drives needed to get to my goal.... MOST IMPORTANT: network cable NEVER gets unplugged from the 1280ML ever, period!
Part 2:
1.5>2TB drives for backup in another rackmount machine that gets backed up once a month and left unplugged from power/network the rest of the time....
Since I moved the Sage server onto Plutonium a few weeks ago, I am going to prolly use the hardware from the former Deca server for the backup server, it currently has 5 hot swap drive bays and I will prolly bump it up to 10 for all the backup needs....
It seems you have a shit load of drives, Ever though of getting another norco + old sage server parts + old hard drives + WHS for a backup rig?
I'd avoid 1 TB 7200.11 HDDs like the plague at the moment, lots of bad firmware issues at the moment.
Other than that, looking good