Radeon HD 3870 X2 pics

AtkinS said:
EHM, WE NEED MULTI GPU SOLUTIONS.


However, multi gpu gotta evolve, i think this is what ati is going to do

lower end cards, in multi gpu. however, this card is locked to intel and amd chipset's (and uli ofcourse)

sucks abit.


But, people just, do we need multi cpu's ?, and the answer was yes.
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Multi-cpu's was necessary because they are general purpose computing devices. You have to replicate all the features of the entire chip in order to boost performance.

GPUs are different. It is easy to add more power within a single GPU by adding more units of a particular kind--more ROPs, TMUs, and shaders. Adding more units by adding a second GPU is less efficient because of the need to duplicate redundant parts, because of the limited bandwidth for communication between them, and because of the computational overhead of combining the results. That is why new-generation GPUs with more units on a single die always outperform the multi-GPU configs of previous generations, and why multi-GPU configs scale so badly. Multi-GPU != Multi-CPU.

If CPUs were made up of lots of simple, specialized, scalable units like GPUs are, the same would hold true. Because they are not, the brute-force multi-core method is all that can be done. Maybe a future CPU architecture will change that, but it will probalby have to drop backward compatibility to pull it off.
 
Hmm, they don't look to be very much longer than a GTX or Ultra.
 
Looks to be around the same length as the GTX judging by how much it juts over the edge of the motherboard. Hardly "massive" like some people are saying. :confused:
 
eww look at the power connectors. A molex and a 6 pin? since when did a video card need anything off the 5V?
 
AtkinS said:
here in norway does it cost 1100 dollars for a ultra.

and ati have ALWAYS been the cheapest cards around here. our 3870 will be around 250-270 usd.

so, well. nvidia doesnt stand a chance vs 3870 X2. cause of the prices, well nvidia got something in store.. ? g98 or what it was called.

btw, did you guys know a cigarette pack cost 12 dollars in norwaY?. (USD)
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In some parts of Canada,it can cost upwards of 17 bucks a pack !! I think Nvidia stands a great chance of offering an alternative to this new card,that will meet or beat it on performance and on price.


morfinx said:
I take it you work for NV? :confused:
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No,but it seems to just be common sense,given the recent past,wouldnt you agree ? R700 will have to be a real barn burner to turn things around at the high end.


Darkmp40 said:
It most likely hit the market somewhere in late 2008 at around 600-1000 dollars, up there withe the 8800Ultra.
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Hardly,it'll be here within 3 months tops,at a price point under 500 USD.Mark my words.
 
MrWizard6600 said:
eww look at the power connectors. A molex and a 6 pin? since when did a video card need anything off the 5V?
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I don't see a molex anywhere, are you sure you're not being confused by overlaid logos/bad shot angles?

From what I see these cards need 2 x 6pin pci-e connectors because on two of the power connectors i see two extra pins 'not plugged in' (from a 6 + 2pin connector)
 
so does this card work with any motherboard?? Or do you need an xfire MB.. Also, is it like crossfire and SLI were it only works with certain games??
 
Manny Calavera said:
No,but it seems to just be common sense,given the recent past,wouldnt you agree ? R700 will have to be a real barn burner to turn things around at the high end.
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As far as I'm concerned, a product doesn't exist until solid evidence of it can be found. I haven't seen much evidence of such a product. Of course I could be wrong, or have miss the news tidbit, and such product is in development. If so, then I stand corrected. But until that becomes public, we cannot ascertain its existence.

R700 will no doubt surpass the current generation. But I'm waiting to see how NV's next gen product will perform. I have a couple of friends from grad school working for NV, but they won't tell me anything :p
 
^eMpTy^ said:
It's just obviously what's going to happen. nVidia has the architectural advantage, they can beat ATi at will.
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nvidia had no reason to rush out 8800gt as their gts things were doing pretty good... until they heard ATI would come up with the 3800 series at less than half price and do equally good.

Nvidia had no choice but to react by rushing out the 8800GT, the lack of stock made it too obvious.
The retailers and the partners are now stuck with shit loads of 8800gts/gtx that no one wants and "selling" a product that is no where to be found. That is how nvidia beat ATI at will. :rolleyes:
 
You are talking about products that were already starting to settle in and begin to grow dust, IF Nvidia really did rush out their product their board partners and E-tailers would not buy THIS product if they thought it would hurt their own sales.

Fact is, everyone wanted something in this price range, they are banking on the 8800GT (and i'm sure on the RV670 as well), Nvidia is also re-releasing the GTS which is going to be more inline with the GTX, this way they can drop the GTX for now, and keep the Ultra as their trademark high end. Everything right now speeks very well for Nvidia in all tiers of their selling points.

Right now both companies are truckin very well, just Nvidia happens to be doing it at all segments. Hopefully with the next gen coming from ATI, both companies will be at each others throats once again.
 
People are talking about nvidia quad sli..but i seem to recall it being amazingly buggy and only working properly with some specific open gl games. I remember articles showing crossfired x1900's slaughtering it in some benchmarks. Did they eventaully get it sorted to work better or did it remain in an "unfinished" state?
 
~El~Jefe~ said:
the x2 series of nvidia fails always because they dont have a refined chip process technology. always a slight die shrink that never is enough to make it cooler or quieter. 8000 series was the first to beat amd for power to performance and especially cost in a long time. 7 series sucked, 6600gt was great for a small while, prior to that it was pre 9700. also, 8800gt is expensive to produce vs the 3870. 2x that and it just wont be cheap.
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Someone is obvioulsy an ATI fanboy... The 7 series didn't suck by any means they performed equally as well as the 19xx, maybe every so slighly less with AA, they ran cooloer, quieter and consumed less power. The only series by nVidia that truely sucked was the FX series.
 
Chris_B said:
People are talking about nvidia quad sli..but i seem to recall it being amazingly buggy and only working properly with some specific open gl games. I remember articles showing crossfired x1900's slaughtering it in some benchmarks. Did they eventaully get it sorted to work better or did it remain in an "unfinished" state?
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I can't speak for the others, but my reference was a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's not so big a deal that ATi has quad xfire, because nV did a long time ago. On the other, I also meant that quad SLI was not very good, and I don't expect quad xfire to be any better. Driver support will be spotty, and scaling will be weak compared to regular xfire.

IMHO, YMMV, PDQ, ASAP... :)
 
mjz_5 said:
so does this card work with any motherboard?? Or do you need an xfire MB.. Also, is it like crossfire and SLI were it only works with certain games??
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anyone???? yes, i'm quoting myself :)
 
I would guess its onboard CF instead of hardware splitting.

Maybe someone has an official documents link, but right now, I do not see one on AMD's site.
 
yeah anyone who says that the "7 series sucked" doesn't sound too credible to me -__-
 
Dethred said:
Here's a good question, will these fit into any cases? My Mozart TX has about an inch left if I take out the intake fan, I bet this won't fit.:(
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ha ha you have a mozart from tt? what for?

I remember they were marketing as "what will YOU use YOUR mozart for?" and like half the people said "porn" and it was all over the tt mozard frontpage.

"htpc, PORN, movies, gaming, porn, pRON, radiator :p, proN, porn, gaming, internets surfing,..."
 
bangmal said:
nvidia had no reason to rush out 8800gt as their gts things were doing pretty good... until they heard ATI would come up with the 3800 series at less than half price and do equally good.

Nvidia had no choice but to react by rushing out the 8800GT, the lack of stock made it too obvious.
The retailers and the partners are now stuck with shit loads of 8800gts/gtx that no one wants and "selling" a product that is no where to be found. That is how nvidia beat ATI at will. :rolleyes:
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Umm, right. More like nVidia heard what RV670 was going to be, and they purposefully created a card to beat it...and they did it with a single slot cooler, a modest core clock, and a chip with 16 shader processors disabled.

They went out of stock because they're selling like hotcakes. If the shortage continues I might agree with you in another month, but right now I think it's pretty clear that they just released the most popular card in recent memory, stole ATi's thunder, and they're selling them as fast as they can make them.

I'm not trying to be down on the 3800s, I think they're great cards. I'm just saying, it's pretty obvious that nVidia is holding back right now.
 
RamonGTP said:
The 7 series didn't suck by any means they performed equally as well as the 19xx
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They were pretty equal a year ago. But in newer games like Crysis or Bioshock, R580 walks all over G71.

3870 X2 for $399 sounds good. $500 is too much. Despite what some believe, I don't think we'll see an 8800 X2 . By the time 3870 X2 is available in quantity, Nvidia will be itching to leap to the next architecture. The demand for much more powerful hardware is there. Better they release first again, sweeping the first adopters, than wait for ATI to play its hand. We'll see.
 
mjz_5 said:
so does this card work with any motherboard?? Or do you need an xfire MB.. Also, is it like crossfire and SLI were it only works with certain games??
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A single card will work with any motherboard. In order to do two of these cards you should only need either an Intel chipset of new AMD chipset.

bangmal said:
The retailers and the partners are now stuck with shit loads of 8800gts/gtx that no one wants and "selling" a product that is no where to be found.
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Yep, you should see the walls of 8600, 8800GTS,GTX's at Microcenter and Frys. That is product that isn't gonna move anytime soon. Until NV can clearly place the 8800GT in their pecking order they are going to suffer.
 
lol those things look like bricks, just you wait, there gonna come out and a week later Nvidia will pull out there single slot solution cards to blow them out of the water yet again. Competition is always welcome but we all know Nvidia wont lose there crown so easily.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
A single card will work with any motherboard. In order to do two of these cards you should only need either an Intel chipset of new AMD chipset.
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cool, thanks... does the 3800 X2 work effectively with all games, unlike crossfire and sli???
 
More info about the 3870X2 here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/17/amd-showcases-radeon-hd-3870-x2

It will retail for about $800 to $1000 USD/Euro for two 3870 X2s when they arrive according to the Inq.

Interesting quote from the article:
"According to AMD, the time of big and expensive high-end cards is over, everything is now about scalability. Nvidia is starting to sing the same tune.


It seems that both Nvidia and AMD finally learned that it is far better to create a monster of a mainstream chip that can be scaled with as many GPUs as you want. An eight to-16GPU setup is a possibility for both ATI and Nvidia, but don't think about games here. Think about medical imaging, videowalls and so on)."

It seems that both AMD and Nvidia are no longer thinking vertically when it comes to GPUs, but horizontally. In other words, place more than one GPU on a PCB and have them work together in parallel. I know the R700 is supposed to turn out that way according to Wikipedia and another article. No more large, power-hungry GPUs, but smaller (like R670 55nm GPU) and more power efficient.

Also, it seems that ATI users are getting Cat 7.11, .12, and .13 coming up before the 3870X2 is released.

(EDIT: Corrected it.)
 
wtfbbq, $800????? that's ridiculous. I was thinking like 500 TOPS... then again, it is the Inq..
I mean, or you could just buy two of the damn things for 220 each and have almost the same thing :p
 
It says two cards will be 800-1000. The poster above you misquouted the article.

That wouldn't make much sense for a 3870x2 to be 800 but 2x 3870's to be around under 500.
 
Krenum said:
lol those things look like bricks, just you wait, there gonna come out and a week later Nvidia will pull out there single slot solution cards to blow them out of the water yet again. Competition is always welcome but we all know Nvidia wont lose there crown so easily.
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Right, you mean like when nVidia ruled the roost with the Ti 4x00 series and then got absolutely blown out of the water by the Radeon 9700 and nVidia spent the better part of 2 years catching up? :rolleyes:

I'm not saying nVidia does or doesn't have a backup plan waiting in the wings, but your logic completely ignores history and common sense. Leapfrogging happens all the time in both the GPU and CPU industries, it's only a matter of time before it happens again.
 
WHOAguitarninja said:
It says two cards will be 800-1000. The poster above you misquouted the article.

That wouldn't make much sense for a 3870x2 to be 800 but 2x 3870's to be around under 500.
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Ah! My mistake... *puts on his glasses* There we go... ^^;;;

But, $400 to $500 seems like a pretty good deal for one of these.

I wonder though... would an Nvidia 500 Series chipset be able to run this, or am I going to end up getting another motherboard. -_-;;;
 
You probably have to go off with a Crossfire capable motherboard since it is still 'crossfire' although its two chips on one PCB? I could be wrong - if DAAMIT can make the x2 work as 'one card' then I don't see why it woudln't work on your nf500 board.
 
Mad_CatMk2 said:
You probably have to go off with a Crossfire capable motherboard since it is still 'crossfire' although its two chips on one PCB? I could be wrong - if DAAMIT can make the x2 work as 'one card' then I don't see why it woudln't work on your nf500 board.
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That's what I've been curious about. I know previous boards such as the Dual X1950 Pro from Sapphire and the Dual 2600 XT and 1600 XTs required a motherboard that is Crossfire capable.

The 7950 GX2 required a board that had an SLI capable chipset.

If ATI's R700 is going to be a single PCB, multi-GPU card and the 3870 X2 is probably an indication of it, maybe I'm hoping it will be treated as a single card with 2 GPUs on it that would be independent of a Crossfire capable motherboard. (Hopefully that made sense.)

I know I'll be upgrading soon-ish, but for now, it would be nice to see a dual GPU card that didn't require the motherboard to be Crossfire compatible.
 
octoberasian said:
That's what I've been curious about. I know previous boards such as the Dual X1950 Pro from Sapphire and the Dual 2600 XT and 1600 XTs required a motherboard that is Crossfire capable.

The 7950 GX2 required a board that had an SLI capable chipset.

If ATI's R700 is going to be a single PCB, multi-GPU card and the 3870 X2 is probably an indication of it, maybe I'm hoping it will be treated as a single card with 2 GPUs on it that would be independent of a Crossfire capable motherboard. (Hopefully that made sense.)

I know I'll be upgrading soon-ish, but for now, it would be nice to see a dual GPU card that didn't require the motherboard to be Crossfire compatible.
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true, this is what i was wondering.. also, will the x2 work with all games, or is it like the same bullshit sli and crossfire
 
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