I have discreet GPUs for both sides. An Nvidia 1070 for the Linux side and an AMD RX 6800 for the VM.
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[Rumor] Windows 12 to arrive in fall 2024 with a floating taskbar and a focus on AI
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I like how every folder view defaults to 'Group by' now in the newest Win 11 
Yeah!
I use a 5700G in that machine so the iGPU is on the host OS side and an RX 6750 is there to be passed to one of the two VM's that machine runs.
One is a Windows 11 and the other is a modified tweaked Ubuntu install for running emulators.
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For the right-click menu you can add a blank DWORD to the registry to bring back the original one. Create the following key:
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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32Can't help with the ungrouping of task bar items, unfortunately.
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Damn.
That looks like it just wastes a shit ton of screen real estate.
I was upset at the like two rows of pixels Firefox new tabs wasted, this is utterly obscene.
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Common sense sort of works if you are also running patched software without vulnerabilities that can be exploited with little or no user interaction.
Despite much whining about updates, most of us actually are these days, which is good.
Common sense will not help you on an old XP build that hasn't been patched since 2014 and can be remotely infected without you having to do anything at all.
The only time I have run into infections in the last decade+ is when scanning other people's systems. Sadly some of those other people live in my household and are seemingly untrainable. (seniors and their laptops... and teens obsessed with downloading "hacks" for Roblox from megaupload and other shady sources)
I no longer run resident antivirus (except Defender under Windows) but I do still do a scan on occasion just to be on the safe side.
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Common sense would have you not be on that system, or one such as, at all in the first place, so it kinda would.
Edit: And I'm not saying people shouldn't run antivirus. Most people don't have common sense. So they should run AV.
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Pretty sure my stepson has been running Valorant under Windows 10.
Why would a game only run on Windows 11 when only ~36% of people who use their PC's for games run Windows 11? Excluding 64% of potential customers seems like a pretty bad idea....
Back in the days on windows 7, but that the type of game that could change requirement fast because of aggressive cheating system the game try to combat?
But if this is not up to date, you only need secure boot TPM 2.0 if you are on windows 11 and they still support an up to date windows 10 without it.
https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/s...rant will need to,older version as windows 10.)
Playing Valorant will need to enable TPM 2.0 and secure boot under windows 11 OS, you have to check that your motherboard is support TPM 2.0 system.
(NOTE: If your system unable to support TPM2.0, the only way that you can play Valorant is change your windows to older version as windows 10.)
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Cheaper than translation.
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I unfortunately don't think they even thought it out that much though
Edit: things like 'new folder' and 'new shortcut' are hidden behind 'more options' now, that's super intuitive for a normie who would need to do that
Double Edit: No it's not, I'm just a dummy who didn't see it
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36% of the representative sample of Steam gamers taken during their random survey. It's also up from 25% in October last year and 30% in February this year, which means the number of Steam gamers using Windows 11 is only growing. Windows 10 will reach end of support status in October 2025. 22H2 is the last version of Windows 10. Games are eventually going to do away with support for Windows 10, just as support for Windows 7/8/8.1 was dropped.
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I unfortunately don't think they even thought it out that much though
Edit: things like 'new folder' and 'new shortcut' are hidden behind 'more options' now, that's super intuitive for a normie who would need to do that
Double Edit: No it's not, I'm just a dummy who didn't see it
The more that MS reveals about Windows 12, the more it's sounding like the second coming of Windows 8: an overreaction in form over function, slapping the Big Thing of the moment into the center of the user experience and leaving the question of why for later.
Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...th-the-Copilot-AI-in-Windows-12.762176.0.html
...to Nadella, the upcoming OS could change the entire user experience, with Copilot somehow replacing the Start button. “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”
Right now, Copilot can launch most of the integrated applications on its own, yet it cannot access the file explorer and perform related tasks. Hopefully, Microsoft can expand the AI functions, especially the vocal commands, to support even more interactions in Windows 12."
Microsoft may replace the Start button with the Copilot AI in Windows 12
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...th-the-Copilot-AI-in-Windows-12.762176.0.html
...to Nadella, the upcoming OS could change the entire user experience, with Copilot somehow replacing the Start button. “The Copilot is like the Start button,” Nadella explains. “It becomes the orchestrator of all your app experiences. So for example, I just go there and express my intent and it either navigates me to an application or it brings the application to the Copilot, so it helps me learn, query and create — and completely changes, I think, the user habits.”
Right now, Copilot can launch most of the integrated applications on its own, yet it cannot access the file explorer and perform related tasks. Hopefully, Microsoft can expand the AI functions, especially the vocal commands, to support even more interactions in Windows 12."
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Fucking with the start button again eh? Went so well for them last time.
call it the power user edition and make it run as light as possible. I’d actually consider paying for a license for that.
However, I can already see the project manager saying “we can’t do that! It would incredibly pirated, and we wouldn’t have any telemetry data to sell “
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Yep, GPU pass through works great. I've been running windows in a VM with GPU pass through for a couple years now and haven't had any problems running AAA games.
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I think it sounds a bit like people reading into things too much. AI is on everyone's lips right now, so of course that's what he's going to focus on. Just because it can work like a start button (Siri and Google assistant can, too) doesn't mean that they're going to do away with the start button and replace it with AI.
Isn't there hundreds of Linux distro that fit that description ? For free to use, if that what people really want ?
Windows 10 LTSC is that build.
Windows 11 LTSC comes in the back end of 2024.
Enterprise editions collect very little of anything. It would be a huge security issue if they did. But the LTSC builds collect even less and have almost no pre installed bloat.
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I use Linux all the time… but it still sucks for games.
“LTSC version is a corporate product so one needs to sign a corporate contract with at least 5 licenses. “
Yeah, I’m not going to do that for my game PC
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I use Linux for GE real computer stuff at home. I still dual boot for games only though. If not for games, I'd barely ever use Windows for home purposes.
It is a streamlined install with no Microsoft account and as many of Microsofts bloated "features" as possible uninstalled or disabled, but it is still enough to annoy the shit out of me.
That said, there is sadly no escaping Windows at work. Teams/Office/Outlook sadly are unavoidable, and I hate that.
You could always switch to Mac. My employer would prefer I do that actually, but I’ve been resisting
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I don't have any choice in the hardware I use at work. I get issued what I get issued, and right now that seems to be Dell XPS machines for everyone for some reason. (No idea why we don't use Latitudes like everyone else)
My company is way too cheap to buy Mac, and even if they weren't, I don't think I'd want to use a Mac anyway.
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At no point did Microsoft say that Copilot is going to "replace" the Start Button. The only references to that are in the Clickbait headline (which in your case obviously did it's job), and further references in the article by the article author. Read your own quote and you see that all Nadella did was compare the two. “The Copilot is like the Start button”.
Most likely, the functionality of the two will simply be combined, with the Start Menu (or "Start Button") continuing to do everything it already does today.
And reading further into the actual quote, it makes perfect sense and is basically exactly what you would expect an enhanced Start Menu to be.
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That's already not far off from how the modern Start Menu already works. 15-20+ years ago, the Start Menu was a series of clumsy static menus and subcategories that you had to navigate with your mouse until you clicked on what you wanted. In the modern Start Menu, the most efficient way to use it is to basically just open it and type in the first 2-4 letters of what you are looking for, and then hit enter. So that search functionality, and understating and interpreting user requests is already a huge part of how the modern Start Menu works. It seems to me that there is a lot of potential for that to be enhanced by AI.
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People have been saying this for 20+ years and Linux is borderline just as unusable as its always been. Sure, basic desktop functions are fine, until you end up having to run 20+ things in command line for something when the equivalent would take 30 seconds in Windows. I also have three pieces of equipment here that I use regularly that dont even work in Linux - my time is more valuable than "sticking it to the man" by using open source software.
You might be able to get Pro for Workstations, which is different than the regular Pro, it still has some of the built-in functions but still far fewer than the base Home and Pro editions, it also has some enhancements for large core counts and memory capacities that the regular Pro edition lacks. That is probably the closest consumer-facing version that I can think of.
And I mean there are ways to get functional "legal?" keys for LTSB editions of Windows 10 if you are so inclined but.... Yeah.
https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00118970
Not exactly cheap (link in Monopoly money) but it is at least something that exists.
Probably longer. The first Linux distro was in 1992!!
Amen brother. Years and years ago I worked for a startup that was doing a multi-user small business system running on (yeah!) System 3 with 4.1 bsd extensions. No kidding. And no desktop. So I actually got proficient in csh to the point of writing scripts that were edited in vi. At that time I had a CP/M system at home so a cli-system at work was what it was. Then in the mid-90s, I worked for Sun Microsystems, with a GUI desktop on top of Solaris. I still had to use native UNIX commands sometimes.
Fast forward to today. Running desktop and laptop with Win 10 Pro 2H22. Wife's system is a similar laptop. All set up with LAN, LAN-based backup and synchronization, LAN printers, etc. Life is good. (No more BSODs). Then I need to run a program (TL
R) that runs only on Linux so I loaded up WSL. I wanted WSL so I wouldn't need to multi-boot. I HATE IT. Same as for Tengis. Just trying to access a Windows drive takes a bunch of steps, and is freakin finicky. Or "fiddly," as our British friends would say. Yes, I still remember a lot of UNIX, and Linux commands are the same. But commands with umpty-wumpty options that take 3-4-5 tries to get right. Fuggedaboudid. Man pages? Poor substitute for a GUI-based system.Last time I heard, Linux share of desktop users was like 2.8%. Linux itself is the reason why.
Same for software. Can I get my daily driver software running on Linux? Most emphatically not. Not Outlook, not Photoshop, not Quicken, for starters. And most of the time that I use my PC, I'm "using" it, not "hoppying" it.
+1 to Tengis. I am 146% in agreement with him. I like the guy, even though we haven't met.
They are just too easy to manage, between Apple Business Manager and Intune it’s just too easy to remotely manage and secure systems.
It is immensely sad to me that Microsoft has done a better job at building and deploying an MDM solution for Apple in the workplace than they have Windows systems.
(Except it's worse today since every device/messaging platform/whetever uses its own dialect.)
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People are fine.
It probably just saves Microsoft a whole bunch of money on not needing to pay people to do translations into the - what - 38 languages Win11 now comes in?
Same reason IKEA does it:
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I agree. I don't need any feature post Windows 7. (except AutoHDR in Win11, that is pretty nice)
But it's absolutely retarded to use any OS that has unpatched zero day vulnerabilities.
EOL means EOL. Sometimes I wish they'd enforce it. Issue one last update when an OS goes EOL that diasables the network stack. Something like that.
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Hah. They just added Never Combine Taskbar to Win 11, and it is buggy. Fixing what isn't broken isn't going to help anyone with anything.
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I wouldn't have switched to Linux Mint about 2 years ago if I didn't think I could do all the things that I could do on Windows. That's not to say that I don't run into problems, but those problems are always related to running Windows applications through Wine. What you're describing is GNU/Linux from 2013, not 2023. Nobody types commands in Linux unless they're into stupid things like tweaking. Stuff that's usually not a good idea unless you want all the performance you could get. Remember the Steam Deck runs Linux, and not Android Linux or ChromeOS Linux, but GNU/Linux.
They're often the reverse, 30s in Linux bash versus an long complicated affair in windows.
Look at how many recent Terminal setup tutorial for Apple-linux-windows you can find, look at the effort Microsoft has put in their terminal in recent years:
https://github.com/microsoft/terminal
How active it is (8200 fork, 1500 issues, 500 branches, 99 releases in 5 years) :
https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues
Command line is still extremely popular. (Look how popular vim still is)
You can go back to the previous right-click ways:
reg add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve
restart explorer.exe after.
What??? Please turn in your gray beard immediately. Especially if you interact with servers.
I use the terminal constantly... it just comes down like a Quake console for me. Microsoft have finally gotten their act together and made a good terminal as well.