According to recent rumors, AMD may have canceled its Ryzen Zen 3+ lineup (codenamed Warhol) which was expected to release in Q4 2021.'
Looks like nothing new this year.
Looks like nothing new this year.
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PC building as a hobby is canceled until 2023 basically.
linky fixyhere's the Tweet with the pic of an AMD roadmap that's missing Zen 3+, if you, like me, were confused that the linked article only directly mentions Zen 5.
The last time CPU growth was a joke was in 2016 before AMD released ZEN - specifically thanks to Intel for stagnating the industry due to its anti-competitive and anti-customer stance, and due to AMD's then-lack of competitive products.CPU growth is a joke compared to what it used to be. I might just stay on my 2016 build for the rest of my life at this rate.
WTF are you talking about? We have seen more performance improvement in consumer CPUs over the past 4 years than we've seen since the early 2000s.CPU growth is a joke compared to what it used to be. I might just stay on my 2016 build for the rest of my life at this rate.
I meant compared to the early 2000s and prior. I should have been more clear about that. In 1999, I built a balls-to-walls Athlon/600 machine. I spent $5000 of money that I made at a rate of $7.50/hour. By 2004 it was getting smoked by mid-range laptops. That would never happen today.The last time CPU growth was a joke was in 2016 before AMD released ZEN - specifically thanks to Intel for stagnating the industry due to its anti-competitive and anti-customer stance, and due to AMD's then-lack of competitive products.
AMD has been extremely competitive since 2017, and Apple/ARM has been competitive since 2020.
Not sure where you are coming from with that statement, especially since we have seen massive growth in CPU performance in the last few years alone.
So you're saying a 6700K wouldn't get thrashed by a mid-range Ryzen 9 laptop right now? I disagree.I meant compared to the early 2000s and prior. I should have been more clear about that. In 1999, I built a balls-to-walls Athlon/600 machine. I spent $5000 of money that I made at a rate of $7.50/hour. By 2004 it was getting smoked by mid-range laptops. That would never happen today.
So you're saying a 6700K wouldn't get thrashed by a mid-range Ryzen 9 laptop right now? I disagree.
Even high end Ryzen 9 one ? would a 6900K be that slower ?And I said a midrange laptop
He just wants to argue.Even high end Ryzen 9 one ? would a 6900K be that slower ?
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6900K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5900HS/3605vsm1452199
He just wants to argue.
I even built a one bit five relay arithmetic logic unit hot glued to a popsicle stick.WTF are you talking about? We have seen more performance improvement in consumer CPUs over the past 4 years than we've seen since the early 2000s.
None of the members who've been here for almost 2 decades want a history lesson from you.This is coming from the person who starts their post off with "WTF are you talking about?"
History lesson is over. Hamlet out.
Yeah, the days of 200-800% performance gains per CPU iteration cycle have been gone since the 1990s - I get what you are saying, and it is way past time to get over that issue.OK, but I don't know if you're getting my point (or if I'm conveying it properly). A TDP-limited Ryzen 9 laptop is not going all-out destroy a barn-burning 5960X or 6900K desktop. It would do a nice job of hanging with it, maybe even beat it by a bit, but what I'm talking about was pure carnage. A Pentium-M at 1.6GHz absolutely demolished my 5-year old Athlon/600 (which was overclocked to 750MHz).
I'm just saying, these are different times.
I feel it is you that is arguing, I am agreeing that a top end CPU like a 6900K is not getting trashed by even a top end 2021 laptop.He just wants to argue.
Those systems were great, though their high costs and quick obsolescence are not missed.Wave of nostalgia for my dual socket Pentium Pro 200's. Thanks guys now I'm sad.
To be fair, I don't expect us to ever return to Moore's Law.
Daughter card for the CPU's so it can be upgraded... AGP fucks that like 6 months later. Nothing new under the sun.Those systems were great, though their high costs and quick obsolescence are not missed.
If you play good VR or 4K or better gaming, you might be rightCPU growth is a joke compared to what it used to be. I might just stay on my 2016 build for the rest of my life at this rate.
Practically speaking you may be right. Average user only really needs a dual core.CPU growth is a joke compared to what it used to be. I might just stay on my 2016 build for the rest of my life at this rate.
Care to TL;DR?
There's not a hell of a lot of R&D in a slight IPC bump. More than likely it's already done but Intel's lack of enthusiasm doesn't make it even worth the small effort to swap lithographs.There was a plan to have something else come on around 4Q 2021 but all that's been (most likely) scrapped. The two main possibilities were both basically Zen 3 refreshes, either with one being a final, last AM4 grand stand, or an AM5 part for early adopters. AMD is not moving fast enough on DDR5 to make the latter happen, and the former is basically guaranteed dead.
Also that the Zen 3+ may have been an idea on paper, but it never went far past that. Not to say that there weren't (or maybe still aren't) plans for a Zen 3 refresh, just not what the rumor mill was going on with over Zen 3+ talks.
Makes sense to sell what they got, because it will sell, and dump the R&D into Zen 4 and 5.