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TECK_CORE said:Me being a proud Sennheiser owner have come to expect the best out of this company. Sony's have nothing on them, maybe more name recognition but that's about it. Anyways post up your experience using your Sennheiser products.
I've heard the CD3000's. To my ears they don't sound any better than many headphones that sell for half their price. If they were priced between $150 and $200, then they'd be good buys. But their $350 to $400 discounted street price is too high to be justified for their sound quality. And at $700 (Sony USA's official MSRP)? Fuhgeddaboudit!versello said:Sony has nothing? Including the Sony CD3000's?
sadly, in some ways i'd agree generally. i like the way things sound better on my grados or senns than I do most sonys I've used (and I have some old Sonys my grados have replaced)FLECOM said:* > sony
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emorphien said:sadly, in some ways i'd agree generally. i like the way things sound better on my grados or senns than I do most sonys I've used (and I have some old Sonys my grados have replaced)
I'm mostly into the portable audio. Unfortunately, in many portable audio categories, Sony is my only real choice. Sony still offers a $50 and a $180 cassette player when everyone else caps their cassette line at $25. And Sony today is my only real choice for portable CD players that have long battery life and reasonable sound quality: iRiver continues to struggle with its very poor (by today's standards) battery life when playing Redbook CDs, while Panasonics sold in North America are for the most part stuck permanently with ultra-compressed anti-skip circuitry which cannot be turned off at all whatsoever. (A recent Panasonic playing regular audio CDs sounded equally as bad as the average 128kbps MP3 file encoded with Xing did.)FLECOM said:im not just talking about headphones either
i really havent been satisfied with anything sony except their old TV's that are still kicking around in my house
I agree. I don't care for their receivers, some of their ES stuff is ok... but not worth it IMO. Rather have something from a better brand if i could afford that. Their audio gear is too flat, no soul to it.FLECOM said:im not just talking about headphones either
i really havent been satisfied with anything sony except their old TV's that are still kicking around in my house
E4g1e said:I'm mostly into the portable audio. Unfortunately, in many portable audio categories, Sony is my only real choice. Sony still offers a $50 and a $180 cassette player when everyone else caps their cassette line at $25. And Sony today is my only real choice for portable CD players that have long battery life and reasonable sound quality: iRiver continues to struggle with its very poor (by today's standards) battery life when playing Redbook CDs, while Panasonics sold in North America are for the most part stuck permanently with ultra-compressed anti-skip circuitry which cannot be turned off at all whatsoever. (A recent Panasonic playing regular audio CDs sounded equally as bad as the average 128kbps MP3 file encoded with Xing did.)
As for HD-based portable DAPs, Sony doesn't currently offer one that's easily available at superstores here in the USA.
True that.FLECOM said:what are these "cassette" you refer to?
and as for cd players... well if sony is your only choice, then ya ok go for it... and it really is i suppose... but CD's are bulky and obsolete anyway... for the $100+ you spend on a decent cd player from sony, you could save a little and get a nice hard disk based mp3 player...
Sounds more to me like you're just trying to justify buying sony's crap.E4g1e said:True that.
The cassette Walkman players that I've mentioned by Sony are the WM-FX495 and WM-FS566 ($50 each), the WM-FX521 ($100) and the new WM-FX890 ($180). Panasonic's most expensive current cassette player costs $25.
Hard disk-based players may be the current portable-player rage. But I don't trust hard disks at all during any kind of walking. I've had hard disks poop out in the middle of a slow two-block walk to the grocery store. And when those hard disks crap out on me, it's another $300 to $500 down the crapper. Why? Because the factory warranties don't cover damage from such use, and the warranties for the most part cover replacement only.
Note that my experience was limited to early-generation hard-drive players. I have yet to try the newer players - and I have no interest at all whatsoever in compressed digital audio (such as MP3's). Call me old-fashioned, but that's exactly the way I am. But the relatively short (by today's standards) battery life on those HD players really put me off; I really needed more than 100 hours of battery life without requiring a humongous battery pack to achieve that.
Not exactly. The problem for mature product categories is that other companies have cheapened their versions of those products even more. As a result, everybody's current portable cassette and CD players are "crap".emorphien said:Sounds more to me like you're just trying to justify buying sony's crap.
Actually, I haven't been listening to cassettes much of late. I'm only pointing out the models that are available from the different brands.FLECOM said:so wait... your complaining about mp3 compression and sound quality.... but your listening to cassettes.... ....
When was the last time that you've purchased a CD portable? Y2K? The year 2001?leukotriene said:My experience with Panasonic and Sony CD portables suggests the Panasonic output quality is very good, the battery life is excellent, and the durability is superior to comparable Sony models (outside of the Sports/Shockwave lines). Sony's output volume tends to be louder. The last Panasonic I used had adjustable levels of ESP, but that unit was at least $60.
And recent Panasonic CD portables (cannot judge the new 2004 models) all roll off sharply in both the low-end and the top-end, and boost the mid/upper-bass response, at their only audio output (the headphone jack).
The Sennheiser HD497 are great, and are usually under $50.compslckr said:my question is what model do you recomend that i can get for about $50? i would rather not have earbuds, and the closed "dj style" ones look more confortable.
The Sennheiser HD497 are great, and are usually under $50.
My measurements apply to the 2002-model SL-CT790, which was the top-of-the-line Panasonic model at the time. It cost $150 when it was produced. And it didn't have a digital amp at all - it used an analog amp. The North American versions of that model had no line-out or optical-out at all, and their anti-skip was permanently fixed at the highly compressed, 48-second setting (21st-century PCDPs generally have only 2MB of cache). What a disappointment it was for the price! (However, I'd have to admit that its rival Sonys have an even worse headphone out that rolls off very sharply above 4kHz.)leukotriene said:A very exciting claim based (I'm sure) on dispassionate measurement of all extant Panasonic portable products rather than anecdotal subjective evidence compiled from an obsolete model or two and extrapolated to an entire product line.
Do you have any empirical measurements to vouch for this frequency response claim, or is this based upon the psychic hearing abilities that allow you to differentiate 0.1db drops in frequency response?
The most recent Panasonic portable I've listened to is either this model or a model that looks strikingly similar. It sounded fine through the headphone jack as such players go. I've heard a number of recent Sony, Memorex and iRiver products that sounded remarkably similar. I suspect your complaints are grounded partially in the fact that Panasonic's output level seems to be inordinately low and they tend to feature stupid DSP modes ("live", "bassboost" that is more like "loudness") just like everyone else. Lack of a line-out is not unique or unusual these days in large part because Portable CD players are largely relegated to the budget market. Cheap output stages are ubiquitous, and to Panasonic's credit they use "digital" amplification (class D PWM amps), which probably explains the output restrictions and the excellent battery life and possibly even your complaints.
I'm afraid not. The Sennheiser HD500 is one of the very worst headphones that Sennheiser has ever introduced. Its bass response - and muddy, one-noted bass at that - almost completely overpowered what little midrange and treble it produced. Furthermore, its output began to distort badly just as the HD500 began to even produce any useful volume. Mercifully, it's been discontinued and replaced by the much better-sounding HD515. (The HD515 sounds a bit too thick for my tastes, but still nowhere near as bloated or muddy as its HD500 predecessor.)TECK_CORE said:Hey Hard Addicts there is a deal from amazon.com that you willl NOT believe. The Sennheiser HD500 is on sale for $50.00, which is UNBELIEVABLE. Anyone that wants to enter the Sennheiser brand will be blown away from these quality headphones. I just wish I would of waited and spend the $50.00 on these instead of the HD212PRO's. But hey it feels good to help other people out.
>From one Sennheiser owner to another (or future ones if youre smart)----
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