Stimulus Bill May Have Allowed Packet Inspection

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According to this article, a senator from California has introduced an amendment to the stimulus package that would allow internet service providers to carry out packet inspection under the guise of network management. :mad:

"In establishing obligations under paragraph (8), the assistant secretary shall allow for reasonable network management practices such as deterring unlawful activity, including child pornography and copyright infringement," the amendment reads.
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I'm first going to wait for the entire thing to be finalized and set in stone. So much is being modified during the finalization process that it would be hard to just assume.
 
Damn! they do ANYTING possible to spy on evryone I though W was gone!! This is BULL!:eek:
 
while this angers me, it also makes me laugh... hope they all enjoy what they asked for :) This is going to be a fun 4 years
 
First of all, the linked pdf of the admendment is only 2 pages, and nowhere is there mention specifically of 'packet inspection' or any reference as to where in the admendment 'packet inspection' is discussed. The article does not either.

I don't like this anyway, but you're taking a broad vague statment about 'reasonable managment to prevent illigal activites' and calling it specifically packet inspection. It's a matter of what is deemed 'reasonable' is defined as in this context. Is it throttling speeds or inspecting packets? I certainly don't like the first anyway, but would be very pissed if the 2nd were legal.

Moar specific evidence before drawing conclusions please.....kthx
 
Just to add though. If they actually get packet inspection clearly defined as legal aclu will be all over that like flies on shit. It's like if you phone company was openly legally allowed to listen to and analyze every phone call you ever make. That won't be happening &/or happen very long w/o a fight.
 
supaspoon said:
First of all, the linked pdf of the admendment is only 2 pages, and nowhere is there mention specifically of 'packet inspection' or any reference as to where in the admendment 'packet inspection' is discussed. The article does not either.

I don't like this anyway, but you're taking a broad vague statment about 'reasonable managment to prevent illigal activites' and calling it specifically packet inspection. It's a matter of what is deemed 'reasonable' is defined as in this context. Is it throttling speeds or inspecting packets? I certainly don't like the first anyway, but would be very pissed if the 2nd were legal.

Moar specific evidence before drawing conclusions please.....kthx
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how about, government's in my interbutts, get out plz kthxbai.


does that work?
 
Mavvok said:
how about, government's in my interbutts, get out plz kthxbai.


does that work?
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I'm in total agreement w/ you.

All I'm saying if people are going to raise the 'z0mg packet inspection' alarm they should back it up w/ a source that actually says so instead of pulling erroneous conclusions out of their ass.
 
To this thread I offer this:

www.DownsizeDC.org 's "Read the Bills Act" and "One Subject at a Time Act" voter campaigns. Join and let your Congressperson know that We the People won't tolerate shoddy government practices any longer

:)
 
encrypted server connection SSL ?

wouldn't this fix that? Or no?

I use this for my usenet. From what I understand it also prevents an ISP from seeing the bandwidth as well.

prolly something I miss-read

Not 100% sure.
 
Its like listening in to phone calls or other forms of privacy invasion.
The problem is if we the people decide to put up with it we the geeks get screwed.
The general population doesn't have the understanding of what it is they are aiming to do.
The general population needs to be educated. If i tell someone they are gonna packet sniff you, there is a fair chance they won't have a clue what I'm talking about. If someone explains to them, they are going to examine your internet communication letter by letter, you paint a clearly different picture. The problem here is government is trying before its to late to exploit an ignorance, we need to close that hole through education as fast as we possibly can.

The general public will NOT put up with invasion of privacy, when they know that its happening or threatened.
 
supaspoon said:
...aclu will be all over that like flies on shit.
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While I agree with the statement that the ACLU like "like flies on shit" I just want to know where they were when Comcast was doing deep packet inspection last time, traffic throttlling and so on? It took an FCC crackdown after months of complaint by customers...no ACLU anywhere to be found.
 
rthefley said:
encrypted server connection SSL ?

wouldn't this fix that? Or no?

I use this for my usenet. From what I understand it also prevents an ISP from seeing the bandwidth as well.

prolly something I miss-read

Not 100% sure.
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Oh they can see the bandwidth consumption, and could throttle back your rates based upon how MUCH you used, but they would never know what it was used FOR. It's such a waste of time for them to go through with all of this since it will take like a day for every piece of common file sharing software to come with encryption enabled and working by default.
 
I really dont even see why the ISP's care. What in the world do they have to gain by building all this new deep state packet inspection technology? Are the RIAA/MPAA just paying tens of millions in cash directly to ISP top level executives to push this through?
 
SSL usenet data is how i pull alot of my stuff aswell.
The more doors you can close.
As time goes on though, people doing things they might not want inspected on the internatts might want to start encrypting their data etc. I've already started and I'm not looking back.
Staying 2 steps of head of the RIAA puts you one step ahead of the government imo.
 
The bill is written vaguely on pupose. Then it can mean what ever fits the agenda of the moment.
 
That's funny, I thought ISPs already can inspect packets all they want. They just don't for various reasons. I don't think there's a law stating they can't do it.
 
uviuar2 said:
LOL @ Obama haters.
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Racism is still alive and strong and Republicans got too comfortable over the past 8 years. The funny part is, would have McCain done any better? LOL.

uviuar2 said:
I really dont even see why the ISP's care. What in the world do they have to gain by building all this new deep state packet inspection technology? Are the RIAA/MPAA just paying tens of millions in cash directly to ISP top level executives to push this through?
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Well they are already trying to bribe them in a legal fashion by allowiing them a piece of the settlement money for any person they help track down that is "infringing on their ip". I swear we need to educate the artists that aren't gettin a piece of that pie to put the pressure on the RIAA for false representation.
 
rthefley said:
encrypted server connection SSL ?

wouldn't this fix that? Or no?

I use this for my usenet. From what I understand it also prevents an ISP from seeing the bandwidth as well.

prolly something I miss-read

Not 100% sure.
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It can view SSL session data. DPI will pretty much stop you dead in your tracks, at least for 99.99% of the users out there.
 
This is the sort of thing that happened with the original "Income Tax" bill back in the early 1900s. It was proposed and offered to the states (at that time) for ratification, and the law (not this bill but the law in general) makes it explicitly clear that when a bill is being considered for ratification that it cannot be altered in any way: not one "t" can be crossed if it isn't already, not one "i" can be dotted if it isn't already, no modifications, clarifications, changes of any kind can be made - doing so destroys the document and renders it null and void.

And what happened... 13 states took that original "Income Tax" bill - designed solely to fund the war effort and only the war effort (meaning in times when war was not officially declared and the US was in a state of "peace" the law would not be in effect and people would not be forced into withholding for income tax purposes - modified it and added in special provisions for themselves.

In effect, those 13 states made changes, rendering the original bill null and void.

And anyone out there that thinks encryption is the end-all-be-all savior of information and privacy... well, there's this server farm in Maryland... hundreds of thousands of 'em... and they ain't working for Google, I assure you. "Hot knife through butter" comes to mind... but you go right ahead if it makes you feel "safe" to use it... the more the merrier, at least from the packet inspection perspective. :)
But the bankers realized how much money could be made and they forced it through anyway, and the President at that time signed it into law, illegally. Hence, "Income Tax" which still stands to this day, and is still entirely and wholly illegal to this day.

Sure would be nice if more people knew this... but they won't teach this stuff in schools.

This is also how the Patriot Act got into "power" in the first place: being attached at the last minute to some bill that was completely off in some other direction, and as long as this little addition is made, when and if it gets signed into law, these little "powers" just get taken along for the ride, much to the chagrin of the American people who are so ignorant of how things work it's not even funny.

I, for one, prefer to be less ignorant minute to minute...
 
I guess I really don't care what my ISP does with my packets. This doesn't seem to bother me.

As for the Gov't getting all up in your ass, read up on CALEA. All ISPs are required to be CALEA compliant and with a court order they can mirror all of your IP traffic. They've been able to do this for years.
 
what is scary... is most of the tax refunds you have to make 100-200k per year to get a new bonus... which isn't exactly going to help us working 45k a year employees who feel like they are making 15 k a year since rent keeps going up while properly values drop and loans are cheaper and the whole fucking thing doesn't make sense.

i can't even afford a home to benefit from this because i can't even afford rent lol while still paying off student loans. ack!
 
XamediX said:
Racism is still alive and strong and Republicans got too comfortable over the past 8 years. The funny part is, would have McCain done any better? LOL.
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Of course, thats the ONLY reason anyone could have to dissagree with how things are being handled....

Beyond that, laws like this that are worded as vaguely as this one is are more dangerous then a law explicitly saying packet inspection since it leaves it up to the government to decide how to apply it and thats pretty stupid considering how much of a train wreck our government has become.
 
Ugh, mind was totally in the gutter when I read "packet inspection..." LOL Sounded like some new TSA policy.
 
F'n government! Soon it won't be free to think. This is really getting bad. Beware our conversations here are now being monitored.

Really does want to make you go live on a island alone!
 
Nuc_E said:
How stimulating.
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No kidding. Regardless of which side they stand on, politicians doing stupid shit pisses me off.

Yesterday I'm pissed because the R's figure that of all things spending on construction/renovation of schools is not stimulative (seriously wtf? off all things to cut that's just retarded), and today it's a D shoehorning in shit (more retarded shit at that) that has absolutely nothing to do with stimulating anything.

Assholism is a bipartisan phenomena.
 
Yay, let's keep using an antiquated and detrimental system of tacking on unrelated material to bills in the interest of big corporation and the elite.

when are you guys going to actually care about what your government does?

stop fucking lolligagging already americans. you report this news, yet stand idly by. you make me sick.
 
I like how they lump copyright issues with child porn. Nice.

I'm no fan of piracy, but Jesus, a bootleg of Lord of the Rings is not in the same league and kiddie pr0n. One deserves a slap on the wrist at best, the other a bullet in the brain.
 
cfree1961 said:
Damn! they do ANYTING possible to spy on evryone I though W was gone!! This is BULL!:eek:
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Hehe, and you thought it was the Republicans that wanted to spy on the citizens? Oh, good one, he did want to spy on everyone outside the country /nod yep

dr.stevil said:
while this angers me, it also makes me laugh... hope they all enjoy what they asked for :) This is going to be a fun 4 years
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I'm afraid it'll take em 8 years to realize that the hope isn't much and there is only one change they like, Empire...

supaspoon said:
First of all, the linked pdf of the admendment is only 2 pages, and nowhere is there mention specifically of 'packet inspection' or any reference as to where in the admendment 'packet inspection' is discussed. The article does not either.

I don't like this anyway, but you're taking a broad vague statment about 'reasonable managment to prevent illigal activites' and calling it specifically packet inspection. It's a matter of what is deemed 'reasonable' is defined as in this context. Is it throttling speeds or inspecting packets? I certainly don't like the first anyway, but would be very pissed if the 2nd were legal.

Moar specific evidence before drawing conclusions please.....kthx
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When something is left this open to interpretation, it's reasonable to assume the worst. Sorry, but I believe thats the truth too.

mzs_biteme said:
But the sheeple just can't get enough of the koolaid!!!!
SAD!!!
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Just a note I found out the other day. Some people do not know who Jim Jones is.

Elios said:
so much for that "change" huh?
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I have to say, there is quite a bit of change here. Unfortunate as it is.

uviuar2 said:
LOL @ Obama haters.
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I just don't get it... You claim for years that this is what Bush was doing, trying to spy on you. When Obama gets in he does exactly what you accused Bush of doing and you laugh at the Obma haters... So you never really cared about personal freedom?
 
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