Storage solution - what would u guys do if u were me?

facesnorth

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Here's the deal. I am fairly computer literate, not up to most of your levels, but certainly proficient. I have worked as a junior system admin at an ISP operating freeBSD years ago but have only used Windows in the last 8 years and forget a lot of that stuff. Basically now I'm an average geek, a bit lazy, and not very motivated tech-wise. My job has majorly cut my hours, so I'm not rolling in dough or anything, so cost is a factor, but I want something quality.

I've been running an nforce4/Opteron 180 based system for about 4 years now (been through several upgrades). I don't overclock or anything like that....tried it and burned through too much hardware so I decided it wasn't for me.

Recently I went through a phase where I ripped my 500+ cd collection to mp3's (high quality lame VBR's), as well as many of my DVD's, etc. I also downloaded a lot of music. I have a hard drive with about 1TB of media on it. I don't backup ever, and I'm worried about losing it.

I've been considering the various options, NAS, RAID 1, 5, 6, 10, etc. And of course many people suggest that RAID is not equal to backing up. So basically I want to know what you would do in my position.

Currently I have the 37" Westy hooked up to my PC, and I also have a 46" Sharp LCD in my living room. I have cat-5e wired there, plugged into a gigabit hub. I have an Onkyo 905 as a receiver, a PS3, a 360, and an OPPO BDP-83 blu ray player, all with ethernet.

I frequently listen to Internet radio on the 905, and I sometimes use the 360 to stream music or videos, but not often. Video, especially HD video in particular does not come out smoothly when I do so.

I do like to look at photos through my 360 as well. I want to be able to show photo slideshows to friends and family from my PC.

I also want to be able to watch DVD's on my HDTV that I have stored on a hard drive. Or Blu Ray's for that matter.

And of course I want to be able to listen to MP3 or FLAC playlists.

I want good performance, but mostly I need help figuring out how to make sure my data is safe. What would be the best method for me to setup some kind of a large storage system that is speedy and will stream HD video smoothly, etc, and then what kind of a backup system should I apply to this to have easy backups where I don't have to run something every day or week, preferably not have to use tape or disc media, etc, and know that if a hard drive or 2 fails, that I will still have my data safe?

Am I looking at a NAS with some kind of RAID setup? What about the backup? Should I use my present motherboard/CPU to control the NAS and get a whole new PC for myself? It's almost time I believe for me to start building a new PC anyway..... Keep in mind this is for a home setup, and I don't want to overkill, but I want a quality solution that will provide what I want. I realize I've painted kind of a broad picture here, so I'm not dead set on any specific solution. To be honest I feel like a fish out of water so whatever advice you can give me and as many steps you can lay out as possible as to what you would do if you were in my situation I would be tremendously grateful.
 
No backup system is complete without off-site storage. You don't want to lose all of those rips to a fire / flood /etc. Admittedly, 1TB of stuff is very difficult to backup to any sort of removable media. My dad has about 500GB of stuff that he can't lose. His solution is a rotation of external hard drives. He has one he keeps at home, another in a bank safe deposit box, and another at work. This is in addition to a dedicated server system with four drives in RAID-10, which hosts the online working copy of his stuff for his number of desktops.

You can use the 360 to stream the Media Center from Windows Vista Home Premium or Ultimate over your LAN. Presumably, the equivalent editions of Windows 7 will preserve this functionality.
 
Ok, if it were me, heres what I would do. I would get myself another 1.5 Tb drive asap to back everything up on. Then another. I would use a nice exernal enclosure for one, and put the other in my machine. Getting the external enclosure and the first drive would be top priority. Ok, now we have your data pretty safe, as its on 2 hard drives, and one is external and not always on. Next thing is I would save some cash, and I personally am waiting for the i5 processors to come to market to do my next build. Thats a few months ff still from what I have seen so you should have enough time to scrounge up some cash. Then I would go ahead, treat myself to a new system and put the older one on backup duty. I would also look into Windows Home Server. I just got it and love it. If you cant blow the cash on that, then just use XP Pro on the old machine, allow shares, and allow remote desktop. ( Note here, I am sure there are 10,000 reasons people will say thats not a good idea, etc, but I can only come back with "I did it, it worked flawlessly for over a year that way") . Also look into some free backup software, so you dont forget to backup. I like Cobian.


Like the above poster said, unless its offsite, its not the best solution, but I will say , if my house is on fire, or flooded, or robbed, if I lose 500 gigs of porn, I wont even care at that point. BUT, if you have irreplaceable sentimental data, I would definately look into a safe deposit box or something. It sounds like you have a lot of media that while it would be a mofo to replace, wouldnt be life shattering if totally lost. just my .02

Oh, heres another one I just thought of. I have a few pics of family members that have passed away. Its backed up to 3 places on my LAN and another trick is to email them to yourself. Hopefully my data, googles, and yahoos wont all die on the same day. Obviously this only works for small files in small lots, but hey.
 
Sounds good, any recommendations on drives or enclosures? Since the 1TB is full already, I'd also like to expand to 2-3TB. So recommendations on how to do that by incorporating your ideas?

I'm open to those suggestions. Also, I use adrive.com to store my photos. The other stuff like you said, in a fire, it wouldn't be the first thing I thought about.

Thanks
 
I would go with something like this combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153061 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136351 . Generally speaking, it may cost a tad more to get them seperately, BUT, if the enclosure takes a crap, you can still use the drive seperately. Or if the drive is acting up, you can put it into a PC and see. Or for RMA purposes as most drives come with a little better warranty than a drive/enclosure combo. Assuming youre mobo has Esata or Sata, youre golden. Use Either of those and transfer all your junk and backup. If not, you got USB, but it will take a while. Not impossible as I have transferred over 1Tb across a lan thru a USB drive, just took a long time =P One other note, definately get a enclosure with a fan, I didnt, and ended up modding them for a fan just for my own piece of mind. Esp with these bigger drives, they tend to get warm.

As far as expansion, I figured you wanted that, thats why I specced you 2 1.5 Tb drives. Youll have 500 gigs to fill from the time you get one till you need another. Theres a few more options available I had thought of also, if you need a higher performance option , and are familiar and comfortable with raid 0 a pair of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319 with a Mobo that supports Intels Matrix raid are pretty darned fast from what I understand. ( FWIW< thats probably the route Ill take, Ill raid 0 2 of those 640's and use 1tb for storage on one partition and whats left for OS, SSD, while friggen sweet, are just not at the price per gig I want yet)

Sorry for the long rant, trying to give you the best possible information so you can make an informed decision.
 
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from what i have read above i would highly reccomend WHS i would simply buy a low power system that has a lot (8 or more) Sata ports on it and fill it with hdds as an when you need i would turn replication on for all of your data as it sounds as though you are horrible at backing up

then as said above i would also buy a external drive and stick your most important stuff on there then put it in your garage / friends house / parents house in case the very worst should happen.
 
I am looking into all these options. What is the benefit of Windows Home Server? I've heard good things about it but still not really sure what it is. It's not an OS right?

I'm not opposed to spending money on this project. I want to use what I have in the best way possible, though.

Currently I have a box with a 4 year old MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (nforce4, socket 939), started with an athlon 64 3700, currently have an Opteron 180. Started with XP Pro, now running Vista 64 bit Ultimate. I have 4 gigs of RAM. The mobo has SATA 300. It also has some kind of RAID controller, as well as firewire jacks. I've never done RAID before, but I'm open to the idea. I was originally thinking that I should do something like a RAID 5 or 6, where it incorporates striping and mirroring and can allow 1 or maybe 2 discs to fail. Then utilize some kind of external drive in an enclosure perhaps for the backups. Yes I am terrible at backing up. I've never been one to backup, in 20 years on computers, and I've lost data many times.

I mentioned all the stuff about the streaming and the 360, etc. Because I'm interested in doing all that stuff (not hardcore just casually) but something about my setup is a bottleneck, because video frequently pauses when streaming on the 360. I'm wired with cat-5e about 50 feet. I have a gigabit hub, but my router is a Linksys WRT54GL v1.1 which is not gigabit so everything comes down to 100. Could that be the bottleneck? Or is it my hard drive speed? Or is it Vista?

My first HD in this box was a Hitachi Deskstar 7k250 which I always found to be reliable. It's SATA 300. Then I got a Raptor 150 and installed Vista 64 bit Ultimate onto it and relegated the Hitachi to media storage. I was never impressed with the Raptor 150 to be honest. I found it to be loud, and not at all noticeable faster than the Deskstar. Then I picked up a Hitachi 1TB SATA 300 drive and decided to make that my media storage, and the 250 gig I keep personal files and random crap as well as a backup of my photos from the 1TB drive.

I also recently picked up an HP dv4t laptop with Vista 64 bit home premium which we've been happy with. That has esata, so that type of enclosure would be handy to be able to hook up to the laptop as well.

Oh yeah, I also had bought my wife a Dell Inspiron 531 with Athlon 64 X2 5000+, and a Sata II hard drive. That thing doesn't even get used anymore since we bought the laptop.

My PC has started acting up a LOT with constant blue screens of death, and I'm beginning to wonder if some hardware is starting to fail. My media drive lately sometimes is not even VISIBLE when I go to start/computer. Then if I reboot it re-appears. That's got me worried the drive is failing. The box gets very dusty all the time, and I don't keep it cleaned out so I wonder if that has something to do with it. My case is an Aspire (apevia) X-Cruiser, dremeled in the back to fit a 120mm fan. There's a 120 in the front, but I usually keep the door closed. Then a 60 on the side, and a 60 on the top. I do in-out-in-out. My PSU is a Corsair 520w modular (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139001).

I was looking at the Synology 209+ but I'm not sure that's really what I'm looking for either. I'm still not sold on any particular solution as being just right for me. I'm just worried about hardware failures and want to get my data safe as soon as possible.

I don't really do much on my PC besides web surfing. But I like to keep about 50 different web tabs open at once, and the PC doesn't seem to like this. I don't do any hardcore CPU intensive stuff for the most part. I just want a system that can handle me keeping 50 tabs open at once, an additional 10-15 notepad files open at once, playing some java based games, running shareaza or bittorrent in the background, maybe watching videos, or listening to mp3's, and also running the BrettspielWelt games client, and occasionally playing civ4 or something. I also still have a lot of ripping to do, so sometimes I will be ripping CD's or DVD's, or encoding them. But for the most part, I don't do anything except keep 40-50 web tabs open at once. Could this be causing the computer to not see one of my hard drives? or is this definitely a sign of failure?
 
Also I have an 8% paypal coupon that expires tonight, plus with bing cashback, I was itching to buy something tonight on ebay with buy it now.
 
WHS is an OS based on server 2003. Its really handy, it will automatically make backups of all the connected pc;s, thats what kinda soold me on it. The one thing I dont like is that it makes all your drives a pool, and you dont get to choose what goes on which drive, which isnt a huge deal, but thought Id mention it.

If I were you and was gonna spend cash tonight, Id get a nice 1.5 Tb drive to backup my stuff to.
 
I'm thinking that I should convert either my PC or my wife's PC (which nobody uses) into a WHS and add a few HD's. I'm leaning towards using mine for the time being and figuring out something else for my wife's. WHS combining all HD's into 1 storage drive, and mirroring whatever data you choose onto other HD's seems like a hybrid RAID 1 type of situation. Will my MSI K8N NEO4 platinum w/ opteron 180 & 4 gig ram be an ideal WHS platform? I have only about 3 3.5 slots in my case all used right now, and 4 5.25 slots. I can take out the Raptor 150 and the Hitachi 7k250 and just add in a couple 1.5's to go with the 1TB already in there. Do you think that would be best for me?
 
I decided not to buy anything on ebay tonight because I couldn't make solid decision.
 
I think the Opty would be more than enough processor. I have mine running on an old 939 socket running athlon 64 @ 2000 and a gig ov RAM. What kills me personally speedwidse is I installed the OS on an old IDE drive, and have a few IDE drives in there, so I believe thats the lowest common denominator for me. It streams video ok, but when doing large trans am not getting the speed I should be getting. If I had it all to do over again, I would have installed the OS on a larger newer sata drive. Im going to end up replacing all the IDE drives and basically using a scorched earth method.

The duplication is very much like a raid 1, it stores the data on 2 seperate spindles. I like it, lets hope I never have to depend on it =O.



::: Just noticed you had a raptor in your wifes pc, Ill bet that would be awesome to use for a WHS os drive.
 
The raptor 150 is in my PC that I'm using now. My wife's PC has a 250 gig I'm not sure what make.

I'm fairly convinced I'm going to turn this PC into a server. Heck that's what the Opteron is meant for anyway. Pretty sure I'm going to put WHS on it, what's the cheapest way to get it? My MSI k8n Neo4 platinum mobo has a raid1/0/jbod controller built in, should I make use of it? I'd be happy to use the raptor 150 as a WHS os drive, but I thought that I couldn't specify which drives I use for what data in WHS. Should I just use the 150 for the OS, and not make it part of my data pool?

Should I use my aspire/apevia x-cruiser case for this server? It has 4x5.25" / 2x3.5" / 5x3.5" (hidden) although my 4870 sticks into one of them. I'm sure I would take that out and use it in my new build. Does the server need a video card at all?

Would I use my Corsair 520w modular PSU in my new build and stick a smaller cheaper PSU in the server? Or keep this PSU in my server?

Do I basically need anything except HD's in this box? I can take all my PCI cards out...sound card, USB expanders, etc. Is there any use of my firewire jacks I can make for this server?

Also thinking I should get a gigabit router with n, to replace my linksys wrt54gl that doesnt have gigabit. This will make streaming to my home theater faster I presume. Can you recommend the best gigabit n/g/b router for the money?
 
Pretty sure I'm going to put WHS on it, what's the cheapest way to get it?

Wow, I just noticed the technet deal. Really sorry that I missed out on that as I'm looking to get Windows 7 Ultimate for my new PC and could use at least a few more of those keys I'm sure for other things. It may even still be the way to go at $350, but no where near as smoking hot of a deal.
 
go buy some drives ASAP.

Start copying your stuff over to the new drives. I would have triple redundancy for your music.
 
Yeah you're right I should probably buy an enclosure and a 1.5 for a backup no matter what direction I go. How do you suggest I incorporate triple redundancy into my WHS?

I'm looking at these enclosures, although most don't have fans. I do like it to have esata so my laptop can get the best speeds, and Firewire, so my potential WHS box can get the best speeds. I can't quite tell if my MSI k8n Neo4 platinum supports Firewire 800 or just 400. I suspect only 400, but it has 2, and some of the enclosures have 2 firewire outputs, I believe to create a Firewire 800 connection with 2 firewire 400 jacks.:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817347017

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182122

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182123

And this for a drive:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

WD Green 1.5 not available now at newegg. Is there any appreciable difference between the Seagate and the WD Green for use in an external enclosure for backups, perhaps using Cobian as was suggested?
 
I'd get the Samsung EcoGreen F2. It has the lowest power dissipation, noise, and vibration of any 3.5" drive ever tested at Silent PC Review.
 
Though this is different altogether, by utilizing a network connection instead of Firewire, esata or USB, maybe this enclosure would be good for backup because it would allow either triple redundancy by mirroring 2 1.5TB drives:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822155009

I suppose it could also become just a double redundancy 3TB backup as my storage needs increase.

Would this be good to use as an external backup solution in conjunction with a WHS?

Again, I would need the gigabit router for this to get the best speeds, as my WRT54GL right now is forcing my whole network down to 100.
 
Sounds good, if only I could find one. Where do I buy it? +/- $130.
Of course, as soon as I recommend it, I realize you can't find the 1.5TB units anywhere :( Newegg, Fry's, and ZZF all list the 1TB and 500GB versions, although ZZF doesn't have stock of the 1TB.
 
The raptor 150 is in my PC that I'm using now. My wife's PC has a 250 gig I'm not sure what make.

I'm fairly convinced I'm going to turn this PC into a server. Heck that's what the Opteron is meant for anyway. Pretty sure I'm going to put WHS on it, what's the cheapest way to get it? My MSI k8n Neo4 platinum mobo has a raid1/0/jbod controller built in, should I make use of it? I'd be happy to use the raptor 150 as a WHS os drive, but I thought that I couldn't specify which drives I use for what data in WHS. Should I just use the 150 for the OS, and not make it part of my data pool?

Should I use my aspire/apevia x-cruiser case for this server? It has 4x5.25" / 2x3.5" / 5x3.5" (hidden) although my 4870 sticks into one of them. I'm sure I would take that out and use it in my new build. Does the server need a video card at all?

Would I use my Corsair 520w modular PSU in my new build and stick a smaller cheaper PSU in the server? Or keep this PSU in my server?

Do I basically need anything except HD's in this box? I can take all my PCI cards out...sound card, USB expanders, etc. Is there any use of my firewire jacks I can make for this server?

Also thinking I should get a gigabit router with n, to replace my linksys wrt54gl that doesnt have gigabit. This will make streaming to my home theater faster I presume. Can you recommend the best gigabit n/g/b router for the money?

Wow, I just noticed the technet deal. Really sorry that I missed out on that as I'm looking to get Windows 7 Ultimate for my new PC and could use at least a few more of those keys I'm sure for other things. It may even still be the way to go at $350, but no where near as smoking hot of a deal.

facesnorth said:
Yeah you're right I should probably buy an enclosure and a 1.5 for a backup no matter what direction I go. How do you suggest I incorporate triple redundancy into my WHS?

I'm looking at these enclosures, although most don't have fans. I do like it to have esata so my laptop can get the best speeds, and Firewire, so my potential WHS box can get the best speeds. I can't quite tell if my MSI k8n Neo4 platinum supports Firewire 800 or just 400. I suspect only 400, but it has 2, and some of the enclosures have 2 firewire outputs, I believe to create a Firewire 800 connection with 2 firewire 400 jacks.:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817347017

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182122

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182123

And this for a drive:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148337

WD Green 1.5 not available now at newegg. Is there any appreciable difference between the Seagate and the WD Green for use in an external enclosure for backups, perhaps using Cobian as was suggested?

Though this is different altogether, by utilizing a network connection instead of Firewire, esata or USB, maybe this enclosure would be good for backup because it would allow either triple redundancy by mirroring 2 1.5TB drives:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822155009

I suppose it could also become just a double redundancy 3TB backup as my storage needs increase.

Would this be good to use as an external backup solution in conjunction with a WHS?

Again, I would need the gigabit router for this to get the best speeds, as my WRT54GL right now is forcing my whole network down to 100.





bump
 
What about the Rosewill R2-JBOD Aluminum 3.5" USB 2.0 DUAL-BAY External Enclosure
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182144 - $49.99

Has space for 2x 1gb drives JBOD USB2.0 (no esata). Would anyone recommend this for a backup solution? I am looking for a cheap way (aside from DROBO) to backup data from my home network.

I have 1 windows server 2003 machine (DC and Fileserver with 2 160gb Seagate Baracuda drives), 2 linux systems (I am running a linux webserver w/ 75gb+10gb, and BBS software w/ 40gb) and freebsd (running firewall software w/ 10gb) in addition to my personal vista machine (500gb+60gb) and I need a way to back up data.

There is a version with eSata for $99 bucks

Rosewill R2-RAID Dual 3.5" SATA 3G HDD 2-Bay RAID 0/1/BIG/JBOD/SAFE33/SAFE55 System/ USB2.0 & eSATA Output Design
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182148

I know rosewill isnt the best but 1) I am not looking for the best (persay) and 2) reviews say this is a good external enclosure. I was looking for a 1 drive external enclosure but I saw this and it made me think.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Guys, any comments on (sorry, I'm mostly just repeating myself from my bump above):

whether the technet subscription is still the best way to get WHS if I'm also planning to get a couple Windows 7 Ultimate lisences (albeit the ultimate steal upgrade if it works would be a great deal)?

my questions above about turning my aspire x-cruiser into a WHS box. Does a server need a video card? Prob not super power hungry so does not need fancy PSU? Can I combine WHS with RAID?

Comments on the enclosures I picked out above? I'd like Firewire 400/800, esata. I don't see any fans on these. Does having 2 Firewire 400 outs both plug in and combine in performance to make equivalent to Firewire 800?

Instead of a HD enclosure for backup purposes, should I get a NAS enclosure like the one I posted above? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822155009) If it's just for backup the slower speeds won't be as big an issue, but I should upgrade to a gigabit router. Seems by going this method, I'd have 3 TB available for backup instead of 1.5 going the external enclosure method (unless I buy 2...).

Suggestions on a wireless gigabit n router, best for the money?

Are the problems with the Seagate 1.5's fixed as far as locking up, and for use with RAID? Is the WD Green significantly different? Should I hold out for that HD DougLite suggested to be available again?
 
Faces, heres the answers to the questions I can help with. A server needs minimum video capabilities if all you are using it for is a server. Heck, once WHS is installed, most people just plug in a power and ethernet and shove the box under a desk or in a closet. With WHS you do almost everything from the console window from another PC. Or you can remote desktop into it if you need to, but I dont think thats recommended. If you have any type of video out, youre good IMHO.


Firewire. I have very very little experience with firewire, but from what I have read, for external drrives E-sata is THE way to go, followed by USB. I cant remember the exact details, but something about firewire didnt make it very good for external drives. ( I forget the exact reason, and since I dont use firewire didnt pay sper close attention, something about the protocol used for firewire , maybe someone else has better/more info on that matter) Basically, if you have E-sata option, it is going to be the best.

That Dlink enclosure looks very promising, I am very tempted to buy one myself. It has a fan, thats a plus, its made by a reputable manufacturer. The only caveat about any sort of backup solution is you need to plan 3 steps ahead. If you get that enclosure, and a month later buy a 2nd drive to put in there for a raid stripe ( bringing you up to 3gb total) remember youll need somewhere to store that 1.5Tb of data while the stripe is being setup. Personally, I am gonna look a little more into it but my opinion is if its proprietary(the software for the raid), they can keep it. I have seen where data recovery is next to impossible because the company used its own version of raid, so I try to avoid that.

Router - no clue man, sorry.

I have 2 1.5 Tb Seagate drives, I just bought them in the last few weeks and havent had a single problem. I bought them from a local Best Buy though, checked them to make sure they werent the "brick" ones, then ran them thru the wringer for a good couple of days before trusting them. Also, I bought local, which meant a return would be a lot less painful. I would go with WD if I had to do it again. I have probably had about 15 WD drives, and the only one I had to RMA was so painless to RMA I really didnt mind. ( everyones gonna make a bad drive once in a while, its how they handle it that matters to me)

Good luck with your build
 
Thanks for that comment. None of my links seem to work anymore for my enclosures or the HD I linked to. The main issue with that DLink enclosure is that it's only accessible via ethernet, not eSata or any other means. I don't really like the idea of the ready built NAS enclosures. I'm kind of trying to build my own NAS with my WHS box. Although if I do get that DLink, it's main purpose will be for a backup, and it may server that purpose well because it will have the potential for 3TB capacity, and the fans do help. Also speed won't be SO important since it will just be for backup. So maybe it's not a bad choice after all.
 
Cool man, if you do get the Dlink make sure to post how you like it. As of right now I have a WHS set up with mixed drives of different capacities. I have pictures and programs set up to automatically duplicate, and the bulk of my data ( movies etc, the huge files) I have backed up to 2 1.5 Tb drives on external enlosures. But my externals are on Esata, versus Ethernet for that one. The only time I see it being bad over ethernet is the initial filling of the drives. After they have data on them, you wont be accessing them as much. Plus , like you, I plan to go to gig ethernet soon so that wont even be a bottleneck of much. I would Google that Dlink model and read some reviews before buying, but for the price, it looks killer. Good luck in your build.
 
Lots of sketchy reviews on newegg. Uses EXT2 instead of NTFS. Can't stick NTFS or FAT/FAT32 drives into it. Customer service is lacking. Gigabit not functional. Bunch of other negatives. Seems to need a lot of babying. This may not be what I'm looking for.
 
Anyone feel free to chime in...this thread could use some love. I still haven't made any solid decisions.
 
I dont know if this is the same setup you are looking for but here is what I plan to do.

1) I am going to install FreeNas(BSD) with RAID1 (mirroring) on an old Dell Dimention PIII 733mhz tower (only have PCI not PCIE)
2) Purchase a PCI Promise Sata II Controler
3) Purchase 3x SATA II 1TB Hitachi Desktar Drives (2 for Raid1 and 1 for backup)
4) Purchase a external encosure for the 3rd backup drive (not sure which on yet)

Connect the FreeNAS box to my network, install and go. Simple as that.

I have 2 linux boxes (OpenSuse 11.1 Webserver and Fedora 10 BBS and future voicemail server via VOCP), 1 Windows 2003 Server (currently is my DC with home directories and profiles and file server ), 1 pfSense firewall BSD box (running on a Dell Dimention P3 733). I plan to use rsycn to backup data on the linux/FSD systems and place home directories and profiles from Windows Server on FreeNAS.
 
I actually used to work as a junior system admin at an ISP that ran FreeBSD and I always wanted to setup something at home with it. But I ended up quitting the job before I learned a whole lot, and I never had quite the knowledge or the confidence to go and do something like that. However, I always liked the speed, efficiency, stability, and security of the platform. I would consider something like that but I would need more of a foundation or some resource to develop a knowledge base. I don't really have the knowledge to venture into that as I am right now.
 
Though this is different altogether, by utilizing a network connection instead of Firewire, esata or USB, maybe this enclosure would be good for backup because it would allow either triple redundancy by mirroring 2 1.5TB drives:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822155009

I suppose it could also become just a double redundancy 3TB backup as my storage needs increase.

Would this be good to use as an external backup solution in conjunction with a WHS?

Again, I would need the gigabit router for this to get the best speeds, as my WRT54GL right now is forcing my whole network down to 100.

This is still only double redundancy using an external RAID 1 in addition to your internal drives. Even if this is mirrored the RAID controller is still a single point of failure. Disk controllers including RAID controllers do fail and if it were to fail and write bad data to both drives in your mirror you would still be screwed. It does protect you from an individual drive failure though so it's not bad.
 
For thetechnet sub there still is a coupon that makes it $265 or something like that.

WHS is a good product l, but I would suggest your largestdrive to be the OS drive. With powerpack 1 the got rid ofthe "landing zone" but I would still use the newest best drive you have for the OS.

It is a major pain to reinstall when the os drive dies....
 
I actually used to work as a junior system admin at an ISP that ran FreeBSD and I always wanted to setup something at home with it. But I ended up quitting the job before I learned a whole lot, and I never had quite the knowledge or the confidence to go and do something like that. However, I always liked the speed, efficiency, stability, and security of the platform. I would consider something like that but I would need more of a foundation or some resource to develop a knowledge base. I don't really have the knowledge to venture into that as I am right now.

The nix systems are good, reliable, have extremely high up times (as compared to windows) and have less hacked systems than windows. The linux flavors and the BSD (unix) are similar to one another but BSD does have a small learning curve compared to linux but the great thing about some of the app for BSD (such as pfSense firewall and FreeNAS) is that they have bootable media that is pretty straight forward on the install. I install pfSense a few weeks ago (with no previous experience with BSD) and got it up and running by following its GUI intuitive interface.

If you have an old computer system with some ram and some old HD's (about 2-10 gigs) try installing it and see what happens. You might like it.

If you have any questions, feel free to start another thread (and let me know so I can give input) or send me a message here.

Ray
 
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